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Tortorella  | 19 Aug 2025 6:46 a.m. PST |
I agree 35th, but I do not trust Netanyahu on the continuation of this war, which has helped keep him from going to trial on corruption charges among other things. At some point I expected the IDF to stop the mass destruction of Gaza, and there are too many reports about starvation there to discount. The terrorists mindset is part of the culture in much of the ME. The IDF did what it had to do, Hamas deserves everything it gets, but I think they also planted more seeds for recruiting the next generation of terror fighters by destroying Gaza. Some things cannot be fixed and the ME is one of them, IMO. |
| 35thOVI | 19 Aug 2025 7:27 a.m. PST |
Tort I understand yours and Dal's views. I just view radical Islam as the most likely danger to ourselves, our citizens, culture and freedoms. (Not just the U.S.). For example from an article today: "Statistics from French authorities reveal a 24 percent surge in church thefts over two years, totaling 780 cases in 2024. These incidents encompassed the theft of sacred items like chalices and statues, as well as collection funds. This trend underscores heightened risks to Christian sites in the nation."
… "Thefts represent only a fraction of broader threats, with arson attacks on French churches climbing 30 percent in 2024, nearing 50 events. Across Europe, 2,444 anti-Christian hate crimes were documented in 2023, many involving vandalism. Personal assaults on Christians numbered 232 that year. In Spain, authorities detained a 21-year-old Moroccan migrant in 2024 for shattering a stained-glass window and attempting arson at the Church of Santiago Apóstol in Albuñol." … "Germany experienced a 20 percent rise in church attacks during 2024, recording 111 crimes. Over 2,000 property damage cases targeted Christian worship places in 2023. Incidents ranged from altar destruction to repeated organ vandalism. France endured severe assaults, such as the 2016 slaying of Father Jacques Hamel during Mass in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray by Islamic State affiliates. This event exposed dangers to religious leaders and congregants. Comparable threats continue in various European regions." … "In May 2025, roughly ten young men invaded Montfavet church near Avignon, chanting "Allahu Akbar" and vowing to incinerate the structure. They assaulted the priest and disrupted the premises before expulsion. Law enforcement subsequently secured Masses." … "Reports suggest that sexual violence is a concern in areas with multi-ethnic populations. Specific incidents, such as the case in Rotherham and Oxfordshire, have highlighted the issue, with perpetrators described as immigrants from non-European and Muslim backgrounds. In one case, a man convicted of rape, an Albanian national, faced potential early deportation from the UK. A Sudanese man was convicted of attempting to rape a woman in a nightclub toilet in Wakefield" These are not over reported, in fact from sources in those areas, underreported purposely. This is not just current, but historically since 600. Go out and read about Mozambique and Democratic Republic of Congo and the brutal killings of Christian's within the last year. Probably have to dig. Not something that hits the MSM much. "Not PC". |
| Dagwood | 19 Aug 2025 12:00 p.m. PST |
From the Vatican Times, search for Taibeh The attack on Taibeh
Yesterday, a group of Jewish settlers set fires near the Byzantine Christian cemetery and at the Church of Al-Khader (St. George), dating back to the 5th century and one of the oldest and most venerated places of worship for Christians in Palestine. These arson attacks follow a series of violent acts against the town's Christian residents, which have been escalating in recent weeks. The settlers have also damaged olive groves—Taibeh's primary source of income—and are preventing farmers from accessing and working their land. |
 Dal Gavan | 19 Aug 2025 3:13 p.m. PST |
35th, you don't see everything in black and white, and I can understand your viewpoints, even if sometimes we don't agree. But that's what mates are for- the odd friendly-ish argument and mutual bad language session. Israel is ruthless, and it has to be- to a certain extent. However ruthlessness can be controlled- and at the mo' that doesn't seem to be the case. With the world's attention on Gaza the settlers have been having a free run and, cynical as I am, I wonder if that's more than a coincidence. As Tort says, what the IDF is doing is ensuring the Islamic nutters will have plenty of recruits waiting for the next few generations. As Dagwood's post shows below, the Israelis, settlers and to a lesser extent the IDF, are quite happy to force out anyone- including other Israelis- to suit their purposes. They don't have allies as we understand the term, just convenient (and often gullible) friends. I was still working in Defence when the Israeli battlefield management software was dumped because it allowed Israel a back door to access ADF data ( link – obviously not the whole story, but one of the few the ABC has got fairly right). But that was the straw that broke the camel's back. There was a lot more that happened in the projects I was working on. I can't say what they were, but they helped me understand why the US and UK always refuse to let Israel join the Five Eyes. Then there's using fake UK, US, German and Australian passports to infiltrate MOSSAD hit squads into Muslim nations. So I see Israel with a medium grey hat- not a friend or enemy, though an enemy to something worse (the terrorist and extremist black hats). But I wouldn't trust the Israeli government, IDF or MOSSAD enough to lend them an old newspaper. Some things cannot be fixed and the ME is one of them, IMO. I agree, I'm afraid. As usual at least 90% of the population are suffering because a lot of power-hungry, land hungry maniacs have control of their countries. How do you fix an intrinsic human flaw? |
| 35thOVI | 19 Aug 2025 4:14 p.m. PST |
Dal, I agree, which may surprise you. I don't trust them either. But.. I trust the islamists, much much less and with good reason. The Israelis will do what is good for Israel above and beyond all alliances. But they have no designs on converting the world with whatever means necessary, to judaism. The other side does want to convert and it is in their writings. Cheers |
| Dal Gavan | 19 Aug 2025 6:56 p.m. PST |
I'm not surprised, mate. Anyone that does has a bad "Us and Them" syndrome. But I trust Israel more than Russia and the PRC- both of whom are probably praying that Bibi stays in power. He's great for distracting gossip-mongers and government rulers. I agree with you about the Islamic fundies. That's the issue- the fundamentalists. All religions and political credos have 'em. Some are merely annoying (door-knocking "missionaries" in particular), some- particularly Islamics- literally life-threatening vermin. But going on the Muslims I've worked with, the majority of Muslims don't want to force anyone to do anything. They have families, jobs and the usual life issues to manage, and that's enough (just like most other religions' followers). |
 Legion 4 | 19 Aug 2025 8:25 p.m. PST |
From the Vatican Times, search for Taibeh Wow ! That is the first time I have never heard anything like that. If true … I'm amazed …
USS Liberty Yes I know about that … it is still debated how that happened. The other incidents, I was unaware of. But I also realise that Israel isn't the blameless victims they try to appear to be. There's no "white hats" in the Arab-Israeli mess, Legion, just varying shades of grey, a few black and some unfortunate sky-blue berets. I don't doubt that is all true … The entire Mid East is many shades of grey … But from my perspective and many others, Jews have never committed terrorist attacks on the USA. As islamists have … So I'll admit I'm somewhat biased … |
| Dagwood | 20 Aug 2025 1:22 a.m. PST |
Legion, I first saw it on BBC television, so it must be true … |
| Dagwood | 20 Aug 2025 1:28 a.m. PST |
The Jews began by committing terrorist attacks against British troops in Palestine, and many other places. False flag "Muslim against Jew" attacks in Baghdad ? To drive Jews out of Iraq and into Israel. More recently, a few years ago, an attack on UN peacekeepers that were inconveniently placed across the route the army were taking into Lebanon. None against Americans AFAIK, but only because the Americans weren't in the wrong place at the wrong time. |
| Legion 4 | 20 Aug 2025 10:18 a.m. PST |
Legion, I first saw it on BBC television, so it must be true … Well nothing was on US News … But that is not a surprise. The US media is very biased. One way or another … You have to take somethings with skepticism, depending on the source, etc., etc. It's like they are reading a different book on the same topic. And yes, I have studied the history of the Jews before, during and after Israel became a nation. I know of the terrorist attacks on the UK forces, the King David Hotel bombing, the Irgun, the Stern Gang, etc. I can understand that there is no love lost between the UK and the Jews. I've studied and wargamed all the Arab-Israeli Wars, the WWII North African Campaign, etc. I know many moslems and Jews hate each other. Long before WWII. After the Holocaust the Jews became very aggressive. And could be very ruthless. Not justifying either way, just trying to look at causes and affects … I never heard of the false flag attack in Iraq. Or the Jews purposefully targeting UN Forces, etc. But I am pretty certain that no Americans were purposely targeted or killed by Jews. Again the USS Liberty incident has been explained either way. I believe from what I know it was mis-IDing. Which does happen at times on the battlefield. But I do know for sure molsems/islamists have targeted American oversea, and in the USA. Even when I was growing up it happened. E.g. high jacking civilian aircraft. Killing US hostages, the USMC Barrack bomber in Lebanon, of course 9/11, etc., etc. So from all the data, examples, etc., based on what I have seen since I was young. I look at some moslems as terrorists, radical fundamentalists fanatics jihadis as the threat. The Jews … not so much … From my POV, islamists are all the usual suspects, over anything some say the Jews did. Good or Bad … FWIW as I posted, Israel is 20% non-Jews. Including moslems, Christians, Druze, etc. Plus the USA is only about 2.1 % Jews, while moslems are about 2.4% last I heard. The US has far less molsems here. Than the European nations that once had colonies dominated by moslems. E.g. the UK and France … The history, dynamics, etc. are different for the US vs. the UK, France, etc. When it comes to islam … I think no Americans were killed/targeted etc. purposefully from the Israeli Jews. In the vast majority of cases, the Jews don't target e.g. Christians, because they are Christians. Where history clearly point out in many if not all cases moslem terrorists, etc. target people for their religion before anything else … Their prime targets are Jews, and Christians … |
| Dal Gavan | 21 Aug 2025 2:15 p.m. PST |
Legion and Dagwood, it's the government of Israel and Jewish extremist we're looking at, not "Jews". As Legion points out, there's a few religions in Israel. While Judaism may be the majority religion and is the excuse the extremist settlers use for their crimes, ascribing blame to the religion as a whole is, I think, unfair, bigotted and lazy. Would you blame all Catholics for the excesses of the PIRA, or all Protestants for those of the UDA? The same goes for Muslims, which is why I generally refer to them as "fundies" and extremists. It isn't all of that religion, just the scum floating on top of the pond that are the problem (though the scum on the Islamic pond does seem bigger than some of the other religions). the Jews don't target e.g. Christians, because they are Christians. I think they're just being careful, Legion, so as to not upset the US and have the "Bombs and Bullets Tap" turned off. If you know anyone that was on the MFO Sinai then have a talk to them about some of the games that Israel likes to play. |
| Dagwood | 21 Aug 2025 2:54 p.m. PST |
Dal, agree. When I used "Jews" above it referred to very early days in the 50s when Mossad were playing dirty tricks on other Jews. |
| Dal Gavan | 21 Aug 2025 3:39 p.m. PST |
I get lazy too, Dag's, and do it meself at times. The 50's and late 80's were what I was referring to when I said the IDF and government would even push Israelis- Jewish or otherwise- out of the way when it suited them. Israel has to be ruthless to protect itself, but there are elements who use that excuse- and the Holocaust, anti-Semitism and any other guilt trigger they can find- to try to stifle criticism or objections to what they are doing. I believe the current Israeli government is one of the worst for doing that. If the US president, or a faction in their congress, tried to turn the arms tap off then I think Legion would see Israel carrying out hits in the US, or US embassies. |
| Tortorella | 22 Aug 2025 3:30 a.m. PST |
Maybe we should refer more to "Israelis" in some of these posts and less to "Jews". |
| Dal Gavan | 22 Aug 2025 5:34 a.m. PST |
Maybe we should refer more to "Israelis" in some of these posts and less to "Jews". That's my point, Tort. |
| Legion 4 | 22 Aug 2025 12:54 p.m. PST |
as usual at least 90% of the population are suffering because a lot of power-hungry, land hungry maniacs have control of their countries. Oh I know that. And it's been going on for a very long time. How do you fix an intrinsic human flaw? It is flaw of many humans. That is part of the reason really good, capable, etc. people generally don't go into politics. To try to "fix" all the corruption, self-serving predilections, selfish, etc., actions, etc. That many of the elected and appointed riffraff who are the majority of denizens in our gov't.
it's the government of Israel and Jewish extremist we're looking at, Yes I understand … again- 20% in Isreal are not Jewish … e.g. Moslem, Christian, Druze, etc. But yes 80% are Hebrew/Jewish. I think they're just being careful, Legion, so as to not upset the US and have the "Bombs and Bullets Tap" turned off. If you know anyone that was on the MFO Sinai then have a talk to them about some of the games that Israel likes to play. Again, I understand that … And as we know a nation's gov't can be a bigger threat than most of its population. Until they go to war, and regardless their military are all now sanctioned targets. E.g. Iran … 80% of that population has no love for their radical, fundamentalist, islamists gov't. I did and do know some who had served with the MFO. But have not talked to them in a while. I don't doubt what you are saying. But I don't remember if they ever mentioned problems with the IDF. If the US president, or a faction in their congress, tried to turn the arms tap off then I think Legion would see Israel carrying out hits in the US, or US embassies. No I highly doubt that. As Israel depends on the US for much support. Both diplomatically and militarily[logistics]. And working with some of the other Arab/moslem nations to come into the 21st Century. By not being BFFs with the Jews, but stop attacking them.
However, there are very wealthy anti-Jewish factions in the US. The US has been infiltrated by strong moslem anti-Jew, anti-US, anti-Capitalist, anti-West movements. That wants to destroy the Jews and the West. Many of them have infiltrated into US universities, schools, etc. Many professors, board members, etc. are pushing this movement.
Even some in the US Congress, being woke progressive socialist/communist antisemitic, etc. would be glad if the US stopped support to Israel. Some even wanting the US to take in about 1 million Gazans into the US. Which as we know would be a recipe for disaster. As some terrorists would come in too. And the US is still trying to round up all the illegal aliens/criminals that those same woke progressives, etc. sanctioned, supported, let into the US, etc. So I'm sticking with what I know at this time. I'll still support Israel for the reasons I mentioned before. As I said in the US we clearly saw militant islam were who attacked us here and abroad. Not radical Jews, etc. Militant islam is the real existential threat to the US and the West as well as to the Jews … |
| Dal Gavan | 22 Aug 2025 4:05 p.m. PST |
Militant islam is the real existential threat to the US and the West as well as to the Jews … I agree, but it's one of a few. Let's not forget the PRC under Xi, who I see as the biggest threat. Two examples I've been told of IDF "playfulness": An IAF jet buzzing the chopper pad as a patrol was getting ready to take off. IDF vehicle patrols "accidentally straying" into the MFO zone and taking their time leaving by the longest route. It's all intimidation tactics, mate, as you well know. However, there are very wealthy anti-Jewish factions in the US. And, if they started to gain real power in the US, might not the Israeli government take action? Perhaps not hit squads (though, in extremis….), but I don't doubt MOSSAD would be planning to make life difficult for them via dirt files, "mud-throwing" ("Senator X exposed as kiddie fiddler!") and hacking into digital accounts and banking. |
| 35thOVI | 22 Aug 2025 4:30 p.m. PST |
Dal, IMHO, Anything that the Israelis or IDF has done in relationship to the West in the last 50
years, pales in comparison to what radical Islam has done ….. and Actually not just to the West. Agree, the Chinese are a major threat. Rating as to my own personal safety 1) Radical Islam (they are in every country) 2) China (actually they are everywhere too)…. A far distant 3rd Russia. But the first is much more likely to kill individuals in the U.S., than is the 2nd (currently). But sadly we have to prepare for all 3 of them and a bunch of sidekicks as well. |
| Legion 4 | 23 Aug 2025 8:18 p.m. PST |
I agree, but it's one of a few. Let's not forget the PRC under Xi, who I see as the biggest threat. Yes, all true … but islamists still kill a lot of people … and will kill more if given the chance … It's all intimidation tactics, mate, as you well know. I did not know that … I hope these incidents were not deliberate. But to tell you the truth. I'm not so sure either way. And, if they started to gain real power in the US, might not the Israeli government take action? Agree … if the MOSSAD saw these group actually gaining power in the US. They would act … And the problems would be "terminated with extreme prejudice" … With I can say that would be a back thing as long as the takeout the right scum, etc. OVI+1 |
| Dal Gavan | 24 Aug 2025 4:07 a.m. PST |
Anything that the Israelis or IDF has done in relationship to the West in the last 50 years, pales in comparison to what radical Islam has done I agree, mate. As regards the PRC:Fundie threat ratio, I live in the country and only go to a city if I have to. While that reduces my exposure to fundie threats, if things really go sour with the PRC (or NovaUSSR) I will end up glowing in the dark- like everyone else. I hope these incidents were not deliberate. My mates were certain that they were anything but accidents, mate. At least they didn't have "weapons malfunctions". These days, even eight years ago, getting lost when the vehicles are fitted out with multiple GNSS systems, with <10m positional accuracy, would be extremely hard to do. Not even 2LT could manage it (with one or two exceptions I can think of…). |
| Tortorella | 24 Aug 2025 5:05 a.m. PST |
Yes Dal, I was making a suggestion based on your point. Israel is a modern secular state, not a theocracy. In the US most American Jews are Democrats by a large margin, but may not support the Israeli tactics in Gaza on moral grounds. BTW…Anybody seen the tv series "Fauda" on Netflix? |
| Dal Gavan | 24 Aug 2025 3:53 p.m. PST |
Israel is a modern secular state, not a theocracy. Hopefully it stays that way, mate. But the way Turkey is heading, and what Iran and Saudi Arabia are now show what can happen when the extremist god-botherers have power. Fauda? Don't have or want Netflix. |
| 35thOVI | 25 Aug 2025 9:28 a.m. PST |
A few from today. If they feel this safe where they are "currently" a minority…. 🤔 Subject: During a recent Ashura… – Global Catalytic Ministries | Facebook
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Subject: Ireland Against the Irish – The American Conservative
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| Legion 4 | 25 Aug 2025 6:10 p.m. PST |
Recently the Houthis fired, IIRC a drone(s) at Israel. No damage or was intercepted. Was reported it was their last gasp … Ayatollah says their nuke situation is unresolved with US. So it appears he does not want to comply with the US No Nukes for Iran policy. So business as usual from the lands that time forgot. Of course, the US still can deploy B-2s and GBU-57s again … The IDF is going to clear out Gaza of Hamas, etc. It is the only way to end it. Then who controls Gaza, afterwards ? The islamic terrorists just don't get it. The Jews are not leaving. No matter how many times there are attacked. So, as we know the islamists are ok with dying and going to paradise if they are trying to kill the infidel. As long as they think like that many more will die while trying to kill all the Jews. The Jewish losses are generally always much lower than the molsems who attack them. And frankly once again … 7 Oct is still not avenged, IMO … Payback is a muth'a  … Gaza should get the Carthage treatment … and then some … Or this will continue … Gazans may become an endangered species because of their medieval beliefs, etc. |
| 35thOVI | 26 Aug 2025 8:06 a.m. PST |
"October 7 presented the Israeli left with a daunting challenge: how to prevent the Hamas massacre from sounding the death knell of its most cherished dream, the so-called two-state solution. Having witnessed the vast majority of the Palestinian public cheer Hamas' savagery, the last thing Israelis wanted to hear was plans for future partition of their land, never mind a peace agreement. Faced with this popular rejection of its central platform, the left first had to focus on preventing the right from consolidating its growing majority, to avert total collapse. But how could the left leverage an event that showed its side was wrong in its fundamental assumptions about Israel's neighbors against the right, whose position was vindicated? The answer is simple: Lay Oct. 7 at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's feet." 🤔
…… "And so, the left launched a campaign to blame the man who had presciently warned that Israel's disengagement from Gaza in 2005 would give rise to a terrorist "Hamas state." Netanyahu's accurate understanding of Israel's neighbors didn't matter. All that mattered was that Oct. 7 happened on his watch. The campaign required a new narrative that tailored the historical record to suit the left's political objective. A recent example of this revisionism is an 11,000-word New York Times Magazine piece by Patrick Kingsley, Ronen Bergman, and Natan Odenheimer, titled "How Netanyahu Prolonged the War in Gaza to Stay in Power." The piece presents itself as a work of investigative journalism, with new revelations and intimate details "reported here for the first time," along with scores of interviews and documented sources." 🤔 WELL this sounds VERY familiar. …… "The piece puts forward a neat storyline that echoes the Israeli left's articles of faith: Netanyahu could have ended the war with a hostage deal in April 2024. However, he keeps prolonging the war to satisfy the radical, irrational hawkish wing of this coalition, all to stay in power. The real reason Netanyahu is desperate to remain in office, the piece argues, is so that he can appoint a new attorney general and thereby quash his prosecution on corruption charges. Only, there isn't a single true link in this imaginary chain of political logic. Netanyahu never wanted to end the war with a hostage deal. While the prime minister has pursued a deal for the release of the hostages, the caveat was his absolute refusal to end the war short of achieving all of Israel's declared goals: the dismantling of Hamas as a military and governing force, the return of all hostages, both the dead and the living, and the assurance that Gaza never again poses a threat to Israel's security. Meanwhile, Hamas never agreed to anything other than a complete Israeli surrender with the full withdrawal of the IDF from every last inch of Gaza, along with funds to reconstruct the strip under its rule, and internationally binding guarantees for the survival of its regime—conditions the overwhelming majority of Israelis would never agree to. The truth is, nothing would serve Netanyahu politically better than ending the war, so long as it ends in victory. The longer the war drags on without victory, the more support he bleeds, especially among his base. In other words, both The New York Times Magazine's depiction of Israel's interests and its assumptions about Netanyahu's political calculations are wrong." WAIT!!! The MSM and left have lied to us again!!?? 😱 Say it ain't so Joe!! Say it ain't so…. 😢 Read on Subject: The Left's October 7 Revisionism – Tablet Magazine
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| Legion 4 | 26 Aug 2025 11:07 a.m. PST |
There was no excuse for 7 Oct nor Putin's invasion … But yet some still don't get it! |
| 35thOVI | 26 Aug 2025 1:01 p.m. PST |
Well, it's a good start. Subject: Australia expels Iranian ambassador over antisemitic attacks
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| 35thOVI | 26 Aug 2025 1:05 p.m. PST |
When the media and others try and differentiate between Hamas and the Palestinians, I think of this: "Egypt, Jordan, and other Arab nations have refused to take in or permanently resettle large numbers of Palestinians, particularly those displaced during the 2023–2025 Gaza war. During this period, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar have also publicly rejected proposals for resettlement. " And realize there is a reason. |
| Dal Gavan | 27 Aug 2025 3:07 p.m. PST |
Interesting link about Ireland. I've got a mate over there, whom I met on my trip a few years ago. He doesn't know whether the level of tension is deliberately exaggerated- an attempt to stir the pot- or whether it's like that in parts of Dublin and the gossip-mongers are sensationalising it. I've seen the same sort of reporting on Oz in foreign newspapers. They make something up, or exaggerate something, knowing that very few people will be able to, nor bother, to check the story out. Australia expels Iranian ambassador over antisemitic attacks I'm surprised they found the backbone for that, and did it. I don't think the previous government (Lib's/Nat's conservative coalition) would have. But they (and the other self-serving mob) don't have the backbone to do it to the PRC and their uni student "Dial a Protest" crews. And realize there is a reason. Quite a few, from attempting to seize power in Jordan, involvement in Sadat's assassination, sparking the Lebanese civil war, etc. But again it's the extremists responsible for that, though I admit the Palestinians seem to more than their fair share. While Bibi's mates keep on extending the illegal settlements in the West Bank and extending their hold on Jerusalem, then the numbers of extremists will just keep climbing. The situation isn't just the Palestinians' fault. |
| Legion 4 | 27 Aug 2025 3:51 p.m. PST |
Report today said IDF tanks[and I'd imagine APCs, etc.] were pushing into Gaza. Seems they are going to get their hostages back one way or another. And in doing so will kill more Hamas, etc. And yes there will be CD. Not matter how much it is tried to mitigate it. Quite a few, from attempting to seize power in Jordan, involvement in Sadat's assassination, sparking the Lebanese civil war, etc. But again it's the extremists responsible for that, though I admit the Palestinians seem to more than their fair share. Yes I think many don't remember that. The situation isn't just the Palestinians' fault. No not at all. There are a lot of gray areas and many dirty hands … |
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