"US Bombs Iran" Topic

I don't get the automatic cult like labeling of anything the tinyist bit negative about The Donald as TDS.
Is it okay to label anti Obama as OBS?
Is anti Biden BDS?
Anti Clinton CDS?
Is anti Kamala KDS? No, not really. That's just recognizing reality.

I still say that Gabbard is doomed, merely for the embarrassing faux pas of having publicly strayed from the Path.
She needs to stay in line, and be brought to heel. Like Vance, who was very anti Trump a little bit more than a year ago.

John 🙂

Why is it, in the MSM and even here on TMP, anything even slightly positive said about the accomplishments of the President, are "immediately" met with negative spins and or negative comments and reporting?

Go back and just read the immediate responses on this bombing. All the "ALL YEAH!! Well just look at … 😡!!" That gives you the reason so much is called TDS. 🤣

This strike was a positive for the U.S. and really much of the world. A terrorist nation and backer of every Islamic Terrorist group, at least for some years, lost the ability to have or give nukes. YET immediately the TDSers jumped on a "leaked" document, from a very irresponsible journalist with a history of lies and half truths.

Listen to this. A good analysis on the document and especially this reporter.

Subject: Rapid Response 47 on X: ".@PressSec: "We have seen this playbook run before… leaked bits and pieces of an intel assessment to push a false narrative. And it's to the same reporter, I will add — @NatashaBertrand of @CNN — who has done this in the past. In 2020, it was Natasha Bertrand who had 51 t.co/Dwy75y3HoE / X


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Sounds like Trump just got a victory in the SC, at least a 75% victory anyway.

I would write more, but have to go into the 90 degree heat and work outside.

Can I call BDS on you when you go after Biden? If not, why not?

Secretary Hegseth blasts media for pushing false narratives and refusing to honor service members involved in the Iran strike: YouTube link

Yes I saw him with Jen Griffin at that briefing. And they used to work together at FOX. But generally he was correct when talking about how many in the media, have TDS, etc. Anything to make the POTUS look bad. They should just report what happened … accurately without an agenda that fit their narrative, etc. I'm not saying anything we don't already know !

I don't get the automatic cult like labeling of anything the tinyist bit negative about The Donald as TDS.
Is it okay to label anti Obama as OBS?
Is anti Biden BDS?
Anti Clinton CDS?
Is anti Kamala KDS? No, not really. That's just recognizing reality.

Ah … those have some merit … But I like abbreviations …

Still going to say Gabbard will stay … but we'll have to wait and see … Plus Vance, a good Ohio boy, will most likely be the GOP's candidate in the next election.

The Dems choices will probably be AOC for POTUS and J. Crocket for VP … 😁😃😄😆🤣🤩😎

"Workers of the world unite!"

John 😂

You can call it BDS. I don't care.

But try to restrict to something I say about him or his 4 years that is not true. 😉

To make negative remarks about Trump, no matter the issue, is TDS. We have seen it since 2016. I can put a list out here. 🙂

What really alienated the mainstream press? Answer: He got in their faces. Called them liars. Called them fake news. Said they were mouth pieces for the Democrats and globalism. They are mainly liberals. No Republican politician had the balls to do that before. He still does and he does not back down.

That was refreshing, because it is the truth. Have you ever seen the percentage of Democrats to Republicans in the MSM news rooms? I've seen some. 😉 Remember the NpR defector and his information? That was just one.

Trump is bombastic, he is loud, he insults people, countries and leaders. Not endearing traits to many, those who were used to Bush's, McCains and Romney's.
He holds grudges, if he feels slighted. He will forgive if you apologize. But otherwise he stays vindictive and petty about it. Again many women and liberals hate that.

He makes comments that irritate and seem to serve no purpose at the time. For instance Canada "can become our most beloved 51st State". Many times we see why only later. He knows Canada does want to be our state. He really is not that stupid. Trade, defense spending, wanting weaker liberal politicians to stay in power, more access to natural resources. Some, all, others? Who knows. But of course it upsets you, if you are unhappy with his style to begin with.

I am not going to convince anyone to like him. That is not my purpose (only you Tort. 😉). He is a bombastic New Yorker and ex CEO. He was not my first choice (3rd to be honest). But mine lost in the Primaries. Bluntly I'll take his style if he does half what he promised and he has tried so far. I'm not happy with the Congress.. both sides. They accomplish so little.

To make negative remarks about Trump, no matter the issue, is TDS.

Glad to clarify that you demand 100% loyalty. 😄
Just like He does.👍

Which is why Tulsi Gabbard's days are numbered.

Is Marjorie Taylor Greene guilty of TDS?
Tucker Carlson?
Asking for a friend.

John you are twisting what I said. 😉

"No matter the issue"

That means no matter what he does, immediately turn it into some sort of negative. The classic example is Joy Behar, Whoopi Goldberg or "The View" in general for that matter. If you are parroting their statements or people like Maddow, it is TDS.

I have not commented on Gabbard, that I know of. I will now. You are free to believe whatever you choose about what will happen to her. I disagree with your assessment. I think she is fine. That is not TDS.

Now to say something like: yeah the bombing was successful, but that vindictive S#B Trump is going to dump Gabbard. Or yeah it was successful, but Trump doesn't deserve the credit. Or before the bombing : Old TACO won't do anything, he is too busy listening to those that run him!

That's TDS.

I cannot believe how many were hoping for failure. Why? Because Trump is President? No one deserves more to feel the force of the U.S. (and other Western countries) than Iran. Iran is responsible for the deaths of over 1000 of our troops. Would everyone be happier if they got nukes and equipped Islamic terrorists with dirty bombs to go out into the world?

I just said things he does I don't agree with and reasons others dislike him for it.
The remark about the 51st state are not productive, (unless he really wanted the conservatives to lose in Canada). If he wants more defense spending from them, cheaper access to natural resources, etc. There were better ways to do it.

Would you have preferred Kamala or Joe today with everything that is going on?

What do you dislike about his policies accomplished so far, that make you so negative about him. Other than the personality aspects I mentioned.

For example:
You were happy with the wide open border?
You want illegals to stay in the country?
You want to pay for transgender surgery for children who are too young to drink, vote or do anything else legally, but it's ok for them to decide to cut genitals off?
You believe it was ok to force people to take an unproven vaccine, that has proved not to do what they said it would and now they admit has side effects?
That you should be forced to wear masks by government mandate, even though they too were ineffective?
You want to continue with the electric mandates and want to continue to steer away from conventional sources, of which we have an abundance?
You did not want us to bomb Iran?
You do not want a ceasefire in the ME?

Not an accomplishment, but hear some who believe these below.
You believe he is going to imprison all those who oppose him?
You believe he is going to put Gestapo like groups out there to go specifically after homosexuals and put them in concentration camps? Or exterminate them? (Don't laugh, I know gays personally who believe that). Or maybe just take their rights away? (Yes I know them too)

Here you go, a national lesbian and the epitome of TDS. 2 days ago.

"Actress and comedian Rosie O'Donnell said President Donald Trump's first term took a severe toll on her mental and physical health, leading her to overeat, overdrink, and leave the United States for Ireland for "self-preservation" following his November election win.

"I was very, very depressed. I was overeating. I was overdrinking," O'Donnell told Cuomo. "It hurt my heart that America believed the lies about him. And then it broke my heart to be in a business that creates and sells those lies for profit."

She said people said hateful things about her and she felt threatened. Well Rosie, you said hateful things about Trump supporters and Trump. Were we supposed to take your venom, but not respond? 🙄 In fact, even though you are "safe in Ireland", you still do. He lives in her head, that is TDS.

He has not invaded Greenland, Panama or Canada. He did get a good deal out of Panama. I think he got Denmark to spend more on defense in Greenland.

So John, other than personality issues with him, what of the things he has accomplished do you dislike? I am seriously curious.

I can give you a litany of reasons I disliked Biden and his administration, (or whoever it was) 😉 OPPs is that BDS. 😳

OVI +1

Would you have preferred Kamala or Joe today with everything that is going on?

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to what I've said.
I've stated many times that I voted against Biden. Which means that I voted FOR Trump. QED

I've also said that both the Republicans and Democrats for the past 20+ years have failed us regarding their presidential candidates.

I've also been saying, not here so much, that every President has either been asked to, or said they really should take out Iran's nukes. But up to now, it's all been a bluff.

I've bitched about how many Americans have died in undeclared wars. And they've all gone on for years, with Congress being gutless cowards.
Like Kerry bragging "I was for the $84 USD billion before I was against it." (Or was it the other way around?" If that isn't the most honest admission of hypocrisy ever, I don't know what is.
To be honest, I would bet that most presidents would be appalled at having an actual Declaration of War. It would tie their hands.

He SHOULD have notified the Gang of 8.

I think the tariffs show economic ignorance. His immigration policy is appalling. But he does want to stop minting the penny, and wants to eliminate Daylight Savings Time.

It's when I look at January 6, I shudder.
When I see he wants to sue parts of the Media because he doesn't like their version of the truth, I see more dictatorial tendency.
I really do think he thinks that he can run over the 2 term limit.
And it's disgusting that he wants to eliminate birthright citizenship.

Over and out.

It is still early for Trump. His economic views on tariffs are not widely accepted, but he knows when to back down. He wins on the border. No immigration policy yet. He loses on the budget deficit in his bill. Brutal after all the talk. Cutting back on regulations, consumer protections, the environment is generally a mistake for all but the wealthy. Luckily we have begun replacing his favorite fuels. But the real liberals, science, engineers, advocates are going to keep working on the real issues.

His rushed post on obliteration was the kind of thing that makes so many question him. Is it just all about him? Is he telling the truth? Why the constant hyperbole? If he had just waited a few hours, bragged less. He deserved the credit on the merits. Give it some dignity – that is in short supply everywhere. And all his people had to use the word "obliterate" to stay in favor. It is weird.

His wins in the Supreme Court are not wins for everyone. He now gains even more personal power. Too many 6-3s today. It is still his court and still his Congress. Let's see how it goes from here.

I thought you said you did NOT vote for either candidate in 2024. Am I mistaken?

Thanks for answering.

Ok I'm for shipping anyone who came in illegally, out. Possibly, if they can prove employment and are not accepting any government handouts and have NO criminal record, they can be given a "path" to citizenship. Otherwise bye-bye.

I am all for legal immigration as long as they go through the legal process. Even increase it.

Birthright citizenship. If you are here illegally, why should any child you drop automatically be a citizen. That rule was for slaves and the children of slaves after being freed. Not a carte blanche.

So what would be your solution for the millions of illegal's?

I wouldn't trust the Congress with secrets, if my life depended on it. Have even read they believe a Democrat in Congress leaked the report about lack of success. Based on previous reporting by that reporter, I'd say it may well be true.

Tariffs 🤔

Those are more nebulous. I understand why he is doing it. He believes we have been taken advantage of by friend and foe in the past. I think the percentages are extreme in some cases. I want to believe there is a method to what some view as madness. It has garnered some successes so far. Has not caused all the dire forecasts to come true so far. The market is doing pretty well and only my coffee has gone up. I am willing to give it time and ignore the MSM, Democrats and naysayers for now. Rome wasn't built in a day.

He is pis#ed at Canada as of today. We will see how this goes.

"We have just been informed that Canada, a very difficult Country to TRADE with, including the fact that they have charged our Farmers as much as 400% Tariffs, for years, on Dairy Products, has just announced that they are putting a Digital Services Tax on our American Technology Companies, which is a direct and blatant attack on our Country. They are obviously copying the European Union, which has done the same thing, and is currently under discussion with us, also. Based on this egregious Tax, we are hereby terminating ALL discussions on Trade with Canada, effective immediately. We will let Canada know the Tariff that they will be paying to do business with the United States of America within the next seven day period. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

He SHOULD have notified the Gang of 8.

He told Schumer, he called Jeffries and Jeffries refused to speak with him. AND that's a courtesy, not a Constitutional obligation.

Tort I don't think the Congress is anybody's when Republicans control it. They cannot stay aligned at all. 😉

I liked Barrett's comments in today's decision.

In her ruling, Barrett went off on Jackson for her ridiculous argument against nationwide injunctions.

"We will not dwell on Justice Jackson's argument, which is at odds with more than two centuries' worth of precedent, not to mention the Constitution itself," she began. "We observe only this: Justice Jackson decries an imperial executive while embracing an imperial judiciary," she added.

Credit: U.S. Supreme Court
This was certainly rough. But Barrett was not finished with Jackson and dropped the most brutal line of all.

" Justice Jackson skips over that part. Because analyzing the governing statute involves boring legalese. "

And remember, Barrett has sided with the 3 on multiple occasions. The 3 almost never cross over.

But the libs were ready for this decision and have class action lawsuits ready to go in states and cities that will favor them.

By calling Biden and the Ayatollah "brothers" I am pointing out the similarities in what they do and say. Both lie about the situation of the nations they supposedly lead, even to the people. Both believe their own nonsense (or claim to). That's provable. It's true. I can even list the lies. So can you, if you admit it.
I am not saying they are allied or working together. Just that they have stunning similarities. Delusional, deceptive, demented, and dumb.

BDS? No. An assessment of the real man and all he did.

For the record, I praised Obama's actions against Bin Laden. (Joe Biden opposed that raid, by the way. Did you know that? When the time came to bring the architect of 9/11 to the justice he deserved, Biden didn't want it to happen! ? What kind of American leader is *THAT*? Even the narcissist Obama saw what needed to be done and did it. Biden? Totally in the wrong. His usual state of being, but here it stood out.)

I supported Marco Rubio in 2015. I thought Trump was a clown. But the more I listened to the man, the more I realized that no, he was just a communicator who could speak to and inspire working men and women in direct, blunt, honest ways they appreciated. He was a New Yorker, through and through. He was also a skillful negotiator. And he was a thousand times better than that incompetent, arrogant, hate-spewing, self-centered, clueless, power-hungry, lying, smug, faux-intellectual, elitist snob Hillary Clinton. And he came through for me then, doing what he said and more that I wanted. And he's doing it again— this bombing being exactly what I wanted him to do, because it was necessary, obvious, effective and efficient.

I thought you said you did NOT vote for either candidate in 2024. Am I mistaken?

Correct.
I voted in that election. But I bypassed the Presidential section.
I had Senators, Congresspersons, county offices, ayatollahs and Dolomites to select.
Pennsylvania, hainna?
As Onan claimed, I withdrew my seed from the presidential portion.

In my list of "Why I don't like Trump", I didn't bring up the family graft and corruption. After all, Michael Franzese in his Mafia YouTube's says "Yeah, he did business with the Mob. Who didn't?"
The only reason I left it out was to stop the inane and idiotic "Yeah, but what about Biden etc" stuff.
Sure, Biden is as corrupt as they come, but how does that excuse Trump? "They all did it!" 🙄 Yeah. That excuses everything. 🙄🤷

Trump is corrupt as the day is long. He's a threat to our liberties. Yadda yadda yadda. You've heard it all before.
And, knowing that, I voted for him TWICE. But not a third time. 🙄🤷

And, yeah. I salute the Air Force, from soup to nuts. They did what needed to be done, and flawlessly.
I was deceived by earlier nay-sayers. Sue me. 😄

By the way, the reason that "Yeah but what about Biden?" doesn't work is simple.
Listing Biden's (or Pelosi's) corruption is easily answered with "Yeah, but what about Trump?"
THEY ALL DO IT! It's not confined to one party.

And the same applies to all the gangsters and criminals who were pardoned by both. Equally disgusting and repugnant.

Parzival,

Then you would have to put Trump in that same camp. Trump lies constantly. He has always bragged and exaggerated when he speaks. Remember how he signed 200 tariff agreements when he had actually signed none. Also, there aren't 200 countries in the world. He was sited for over 33,000 lies in his first term. So, he is another brother by a different Mother. And yes, I did vote for Trump in 2020.

Saavik: "You lied."
Spock: "I exaggerated."

Satchel Paige: "If you can do it, it ain't bragging."

Trump is and always has been hyperbolic. Everything with him is the biggest, the best, the most beautiful, "hyuge", "unprecedented," "there's never been anything like it," "nobody's ever seen it before." He's a born promoter, and he speaks that way. That's not lying, that's just style.

Lying is when you deliberately hide facts, say something is the opposite of what it is, or claim information to be true which you don't actually know is true or worse, you know is not true at all. Like "The southern border is secure." "This Inflation is transitory." "COVID did not come from a lab leak." "Wearing masks will save you from COVID." "This vaccine will mean you won't get COVID and it will stop the spread." "Nobody died when we pulled out of Afghanistan." "This deal will stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons." (The Iranians began enriching more uranium after the deal was in place, even though that was a violation of the deal.) "Mostly peaceful protests."

Biden and his fellows lied. And the biggest lie of all was that he was healthy and fit to serve as President, when his mental deterioration was already visible in 2020 to anyone who paid attention.

And there are 195 nations in the world— which is pretty much close enough to 200 for an off-the-cuff statement.

"Sited [sic] for lies…" Cited by whom? CNN? MSNBC? ABC? NYT? WP? Yeah, that's a trustworthy, reliable bunch.
They also told you Biden did not have a mental decline, that COVID came from bat soup, that the Trump Russia dossier was real, that Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian disinformation," and now that the bunker busters didn't bust the bunkers… oops, sorry, our bad, yes they did. And you still believe these people???

Also the Senate just admitted that yes, the President can order bomb strikes without having to go to Congress for permission. They voted down Sen. Kaine's resolution claiming that the President has to do so.
This was a really stupid move by Kaine, as it now establishes precedent for future military actions— the Senate has basically now given their OK!
Dumb, dumb, dumb man. (But I knew that in 2016.)

Parz

I believe Grattan was siting:

"The Washington Post fact-checking team documented 30,573 false or misleading claims made by Donald Trump during his first presidential term."

"It is important to note that different organizations use different methodologies for tracking and counting false or misleading statements, so the total number may vary slightly depending on the source. The Toronto Star, for example, tallied 5,276 false claims from January 2017 to June 2019. "
….

"Several newspapers and magazines are generally considered liberal or progressive in their editorial stances. These include The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Nation, The New Republic, Mother Jones, The American Prospect, The Progressive, and The New Yorker.

The Washington Post:
Another leading national newspaper, with a similar liberal leaning to The New York Times, particularly on matters of social and political policy"

A large spike in these numbers were in 2020 and had to do with the election. Some of which are changing , as more information comes out with the change in leadership. Possibly one even next week about an intentional cover up. We will see.

I take any accusations of "documented false claims" with a huge grain of salt. More often than not, it boils down to a difference of opinion.
After all, "Who fact checks the fact checkers?"
The Onion is NOT an independent source free of bias. They have an anti-Trump agenda. As does The NY Times, Washington Post, etc.

John I agree. 🙂 Are You sure you don't want to reconsider? 😉

Well, I have been pining for Trump to "consult" with Congressional leaders, but this isn't exactly who I had in mind.
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Ahh good old Jazzy. I'll have to add this to my Crockett collection of links. 😅

Subject: Equipment key to producing a nuclear bomb was destroyed in strikes on Isfahan -- NYT | The Times of Israel


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It is still early for Trump

Yes as I have said, it's only 1/2 way through the 1st Qtr … The game is far from over … As we know you don't gain yardage or score every play …

OVI +1

SMb +1

Parz +1

In her ruling, Barrett went off on Jackson for her ridiculous argument against nationwide injunctions.

Yes her and Sotamor always seem to go Left as that is why they ended up there. Both being minority women we can generally see their predilections. No real surprise … I knew when Jackson could answer what a woman was during her vetting made it clear to me. Which way she'd swing …

They and district judge seem to forget what power the executive branch has. No district judge, there are e.g. 700 of them, IIRC, can effectively override the POTUS. Especially in matters of national security, geopolitics, etc. E.g. FTR – open borders is a threat to national security. The SCOTUS does not run the nation it is part of the national gov't. Part of the checks & balances … But checks & balances are like yin & yang …

Saavik: "You lied."
Spock: "I exaggerated."

Satchel Paige: "If you can do it, it ain't bragging."

Or as my old Army buddy from TX would say, "No brag … just fact… "

Now OT … US air/orbital recon already has Iran moving heavy construction equipment to those nuke sites, patching craters, etc. Looks like they are trying to dig their nuke assets out. The Aytollah is still saying Iran defeated Israel and the US. Yeah , he is old, like the previous POTUS. Who always didn't know what he was talking about, or saying, or knew where he was, etc.

So we should not put too much stock in what he is saying. But once again … we are talking about nukes getting into islamic fanatics hands. You can't ignore anything they say either …

In the streets of Iran, they are chanting their usual mantra/drivel. As the funerals of some of their senior military officers, top scientists, etc. are being paraded thru the city.

Trump said it before and is saying it again, basically … "We have more GBU-57s. And will use them if we have to." …

Hamas still has hostages, some dead …

Putin is still shooting in Ukraine …

And yeah it seems Iran's leaders don't want to play …

Thanks Joe, Blinken, Sullivan, etc. Plus many in Congress …

Even in my tiny mind, I'd said … finish it. Take out the Ayatollah, top mullahs, remaining military leaders, and even the IRGC locations, including their navy. The IDF wanted to do that. But the POTUS said not so fast … at least now …

Again the GWoT continues … maybe, "let slip the dogs of war" e.g. let the IDF finish it …

It will come down to either finish it now … or later …

IIRC the Houthis recently fire a missile somewhere … but it didn't do anything.

Keep your power dry and your knives sharp … this dance ani't over with … yet …

BTW John … I think I'm starting to get OFMDS ! 😮🤨🤔🤩😎 I'm sure you could say the same for some of us here too ! 🤪😵🥴

Not me, I think John is better than watching the news for information.

Legion even the other two liberal justices would not sign off on Jackson's minority opinion this time. That is saying a lot.

IMO Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to the truth simply because when he is truthful, nobody is certain anymore. Even announcing the bombing, he could barely wait to talk about it and put the focus on himself, which actually detracted from a positive thing he had done.

His supporters may take the easy route and just believe everything. Other people can feel the deception. And sometimes everybody knows when something is not true and his people cover for him. While every politician may be like this, whatever the score is, he is surely the winner.

For his own sake, I continue to say that he would gain more trust if he just stopped talking/posting so much. But he is driven to publicity like no one we have ever seen. In the history of our great country. Many people are saying this.

In the streets of Iran, they are chanting their usual mantra/drivel.

In a postal game of Diplomacy (remember "play by mail"?) I took Norway. A normal move for England, but I told Germany I wouldn't. Hey. It's Diplomacy! Lies are considered strategy! I believe I convoyed an army for my betrayal. 🤷
Anyway, my Press Release (a precursor to Comments Section) I said "In the streets of Oslo, the people go Bongo Bongo!"
Later in the game I followed up with "In the streets of Bingo, the people go Oslo Oslo!"
I know I got that from somewhere else, but in the tradition of intellectual property, I honestly don't remember.

I always make fun of such "religious" cosplay by chanting "Wooja woo! Wooja woo! Wooja Wooja Wooja woo!"
In English, that becomes "Hey hey ho Ho…"

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She's gorgeous, by the way. Nuts, but gorgeous.
"Death to America!" ✊

The Washington Post?!?!? Seriously? You mean the paper that just had its Pulitzer Prize winning editor arrested and charged with possessing child porn?
The paper that mis-reported the Russia dossier hoax and claimed it was fact?
We're giving them credit as a reliable source for whether or not Trump has lied? Y'all got Gell-Mann Amnesia, big time. The WP is just a shill machine for the DNC. It's not a paper, it's a propaganda mill.

Citing. With a C. Means to refer to a specific incident, document, piece of evidence, etc.. "The judge was citing Malbury v. Madison in her statement."

Siting. With an S. Means to choose a physical location where something will occur or be built.

"Trump's resort company has been siting possible locations for golf courses in Iran. He's already made the first three holes."

And y'all seem to have failed to realize the significance of the vote against Sen. Kaine's "must tell Congress" resolution. We all know that a "yes" vote on a Senate bill is a declaration by the Senate that the action described in the bill is now being put forth as a change in the Law from a previous status to a new status. But with that is the corollary that if the vote is "no," then the Senate is saying that the proposed change is not and never was and never will be the Law of the Land— that in fact the opposite of the resolution is indeed the legal and Constitutional status of the Law. Thus, the Senate just affirmed that the Constitution does in fact NOT require a President to seek Congressional approval beforehand for a military action he deems right, proper, and necessary. Slam dunk. Furthermore, even by the existing (and likely unConstitutional) War Powers Resolution, the President is not required to tell Congress anything for 48 hours— two full days and nights— after the action has taken place, and furthermore can conduct sustained military action for two months (60 days) without requiring ANY Congressional actions. (Laws mean what they say in BOTH directions.)
So, in essence, the President's actions cannot be considered unConstitutional because Congress already established a method and law for this sort of thing, and the President's actions fall squarely within it. Furthermore, the Senate has just confirmed that the President's actions were completely Constitutional simply by rejecting a resolution claiming otherwise. If you don't vote the resolution in, you're saying the opposite of the resolution is true, and that counts as a legislative action within the Constitutional authority of the Senate and/or House. Period.

Which means that even if you're a libertarian, the Congress just used its Constitutional powers to address the situation you're complaining about— basically, they have now said— effectively twice— that this is okey-dokey. Thus again, they have authorized the strikes in a legal and Constitutional manner. Matter resolved.

You sound like a guy who called up a radio talk show and shouted at the dj "Case closed! END OF DISCUSSION!!!"
The DJ replied "Is that your name on the show?"

It really amazes me, how many of those who vehemently oppose the President and all he does, sound very similar to Clement Vallandigham and his speeches against Lincoln. I'm not saying Lincoln and Trump are the same, (before others do. 😱)

But currently reading a book about the beginnings of special ops and secret service during the Civil War and a section talks about the Confederate attempts via Canada to work with the Copperheads and peace Democrats in 1864. Maybe some will find it interesting.

Just as small sample and section of his speeches and the aftermath (he even accused Lincoln of wanting to be a King or a Dictator.😱)

"Soon after the war began the reign of the mob was… supplanted by the iron domination of arbitrary power. Constitutional limitation was broken down; habeas corpus fell; liberty of the press, of speech, of the person, of the mails, of travel, of one's own house, and of religion; the right to bear arms, due process of law, judicial trial, trial by jury, trial at all; every badge and muniment of freedom in republican government or kingly government–all went down at a blow; and the chief law-officer of the crown–I beg pardon, sir, but it is easy now to fall into this courtly language–the Attorney-General, first of all men, proclaimed in the United States the maxim of Roman servility: Whatever pleases the President, that is law! Prisoners of state were then first heard of here. Midnight and arbitrary arrests commenced; travel was interdicted; trade embargoed; passports demanded; bastiles were introduced; strange oaths invented; a secret police organized; "piping" began; informers multiplied; spies now first appeared in America. The right to declare war, to raise and support armies, and to provide and maintain a navy, was usurped by the Executive…."

"On the 4th of July Congress met, not to seek peace; not to rebuke usurpation nor to restrain power; not certainly to deliberate; not even to legislate, but to register and ratify the edicts and acts of the Executive…. Free speech was had only at the risk of a prison; possibly of life. Opposition was silenced by the fierce clamor of "disloyalty."…"

"…I have denounced, from the beginning, the usurpations and the infractions, one and all, of law and Constitution, by the President and those under him; their repeated and persistent arbitrary arrests, the suspension of habeas corpus, the violation of freedom of the mails, of the private house, of the press and of speech, and all the other multiplied wrongs and outrages upon public liberty and private right, which have made this country one of the worst despotisms on earth for the past twenty months; and I will continue to rebuke and denounce them to the end….

And now, sir, I recur to the state of the Union to-day. What is it? Sir, twenty months have elapsed, but the rebellion is not crushed out; its military power has not been broken; the insurgents have not dispersed. The Union is not restored; nor the Constitution maintained; nor the laws enforced. Twenty, sixty, ninety, three hundred, six hundred days have passed; a thousand millions been expended; and three hundred thousand lives lost or bodies mangled; and to-day the Confederate flag is still near the Potomac and the Ohio, and the Confederate Government stronger, many times, than at the beginning…."

Some sections of his speeches are word for word the same thing being shouted on TV. His last on May 1, 1863 saw him arrested under General order 38, by Burnside

"On May 5, 1863, under cover of darkness, armed soldiers surrounded the Vallandigham home in Dayton, Ohio. When Vallandigham refused to comply with the soldiers' orders to give himself up, the soldiers smashed in the back door and stormed up to his room where he, with his wife and child and sister-in-law, was waiting. Standing before the muzzles of a dozen guns, Vallandigham had no choice but to surrender."

(Doesn't the above sound a lot like trump's home in Mar an Lago and the CNN covered agent raid looking for documents or some of the arrests during the Biden administration?)

"On the 5th of May, 1863, Vallandigham, a resident of the State of Ohio, and a citizen of the United States, was arrested at his residence and taken to Cincinnati, and there imprisoned. On the following day, he was arraigned before a military commission on a charge of having expressed sympathies for those in arms against the Government of the United States, and for having uttered, in a speech at a public meeting, disloyal sentiments and opinions, with the object and purpose of weakening the power of the Government in its efforts for the suppression of an unlawful rebellion.

The specification under the charge was, that he, the said Vallandigham, a citizen of Ohio, on the 1st of May, 1863, at Mount Vernon, in Knox County, Ohio, did publicly address a large meeting of persons, and did utter sentiments, in words or to the effect, 'that the present war was a wicked, cruel, and unnecessary war, one not waged for the preservation of the Union, but for the purpose of crushing out liberty and to erect a despotism; a war for the freedom of the blacks and the enslavement of the whites; and that if the administration had not wished otherwise, that the war could have been honorably terminated long ago; that peace might have been honorably made by listening to the proposed intermediation of France; that propositions, by which the Southern States could be won back, and the South guaranteed their rights under the Constitution, had been rejected the day before the late battle of Fredericksburg by Lincoln and his minions, meaning the President of the United States, and those under him in authority. Also charging that the Government of the United States was about to appoint military marshals in every district to restrain the people of their liberties, and to deprive them of their rights and privileges, characterizing General Order No. 38, from headquarters of the Department of the Ohio, as a base usurpation of arbitrary authority, inviting his hearers to resist the same, by saying, the sooner the people inform the minions of usurped power that they will not submit to such restrictions upon their liberties, the better; and adding, that he was at all times and upon all occasions resolved to do what he could to defeat the attempts now being made to build up a monarchy upon the ruins of our free government, and asserting that he firmly believed, as he had said six months ago, that the men in power are attempting to establish a despotism in this country, more cruel and oppressive than ever existed before.'"

@The OFM:

Ad hominem much?

PS. I win.

Does somebody have to win? American governance and business is now a fight to the finish more than ever, greed and endless battles. The Supreme Court unleashed a monster with Citizens United. Even single thing in America is now monetized, including the government, complete with loads of middlemen. The golden goose has about one feather left.

Legion even the other two liberal justices would not sign off on Jackson's minority opinion this time. That is saying a lot.

Yes I forgot about that … as with so many other people, etc. Jackson was a DEI hire, just like the VP, etc.

You choose people based on their capabilities … not race, sex, sexual preference, etc.

OVI +1

SBm +1

Parz +1

I salute the Air Force, from soup to nuts. They did what needed to be done, and flawlessly.

Don't forget the USN and the Army ADA crews …

I took Norway.

Did you go thru Congress first ?

"Did you go thru Congress first ?"

😂

"Does someone have to win?"

It was a joke, Tort.

But sometimes, YES, someone has to win. Someone has to win an election. Someone has to win the fight against terrorism and fascistic terroristic states— of which Iran is the world's worst.

As for Citizens United, the Supreme Court decision was the correct one— speech has always been backed by money— even the Declaration of Independence cost money to create, print and distribute so that the American people could read and hear what the Revolution was all about. Thomas Paine had to spend money to print his pamphlets— and people had to then spend money to buy them. Political campaigns have always relied on money from any source willing to give it. TANSTAFL.
Is it fair? ("Who said life was supposed to be fair?"— Jimmy Carter.) No, it's not. But even then money can only be used to persuade. And the thing is, in this day and age people with no money have more power to speak and persuade than they ever have in the entire history of the civilized world! We're doing it right here, for pennies. We can do it on X, on Truth, on Bluesky, on Facebook, on YouTube, on Rumble, on Reddit, on blogs, vlogs, podcasts— if you want to put your opinion out there, the cost to do so is minimal, while the results can be astonishing.
The notion that money alone can buy an election is clearly false— Kamala Harris spent $1.9 USD BILLION on the election. Trump spent $1.6 USD billion— 300 million less… and won. All that money did no good for Harris.
Is it too much money? Well, I didn't spend it. You didn't spend it. That question can only be asked of those who donated it and those who used it. (Hint: The winner will always say no, his money was well spent. The loser will always say "there's too much money in politics" even when they raised and spent most of it.)

Yes, money is speech. It is the difference between the guy with his hands cupped around his mouth and the guy with a megaphone. But sometimes the guy with the cupped hands still wins out if the content of his speech is more persuasive than the guy with the megaphone. Money has influence, but it doesn't guarantee a win.

Did you go thru Congress first ?

I was playing England.

Parliament? 😉

@PArzival

The spelling police say you spelt TANSTAAFL wrong …

John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP 29 Jun 2025 4:40 a.m. PST
Did you go thru Congress first ?

I was playing England.
35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP 29 Jun 2025 4:54 a.m. PST
Parliament? 😉

Well … that explains it !

I accept no responsibility for my actions in the 70s.
After all, it was the 70s!

"It was better to be in your 20s in the 70s, than in your 70s in the 20s."
—-Joe Walsh. Life's been good.

Parzival..a pretty good argument. But money is like a volume control. If you can buy the ability to turn up the volume, you win. Musk may be right that he got Trump elected, reaching just enough independents to persuade them. The average Joe with cupped hands has no way to compete.

The popular vote does not matter. Trump won fair and square by today's low bar standards. But his approval ratings shows what cupped hands think. He was above 50% for about 15 minutes. No Kings Day drew millions of people. Maybe that's what you mean. But it does not matter much compared to the endless money for elections model we now suffer with.

Something new, because of the bombings and then the back-and-forth criticisms between Trump and the Ayatollah K, the Iranian Grand Ayatollah has placed a murder Fatwa on Trump. This is a "Trump must die" order because by being critical of Ayatollah K, Trump has insulted Islam, something no one can do and live. How serious this is, I don't know but think the secret service should up their game over it.

—-Joe Walsh. Life's been good.

I do like a lot of his work. Also shows our age too …

Bottom line Iran leadership is still being belligerent, disagreeable, unrepentant, still wanting nukes, chanting dead to the USA, etc. We may have to use our B-2s again. Regime change would be the next step. But as we know … we learned … no regime change, no nation building. But I'm pretty sure Iran's citizenry won't be able to overthrow their theocratic islamist, fanatical gov't. They are talking about mass executions. Which they have done before. There really is nothing we can do. Maybe the IDF can do a "decapitation" mission. Along with attriting the IRGC, etc. All with air assets. Plus the Mossad and Free Iranian forces which are already on the ground and have been for awhile. As it is looks like sooner or later we and the IDF are going to have to go on an air offensive again.

The same goes with Hamas, they won't give back the hostages, dead or alive. Their leadership is all but eliminated. But they won't give an inch. Seems the future of the denizens of Gaza is unknown. We saw what happened when Hamas was left on it's own. Of course Hamas, Hezbollah and even the Houthis won't have their patron, i.e. Iran to support them …

The end of this conflict is still not written. In Ukraine either.

All – TBD …