"US Bombs Iran" Topic

A couple of thoughts/questions on this topic:

How effective were the bunker busters? – I've read some reports that damage was only to the entrances to the underground complex, and that the bombs couldn't penetrate all the way to the actual underground facilities.

Did Iran manage to remove their enriched materials before the strikes? Again based on reports of vehicle movements at the site in the days leading up to the attack.

How much enriched material did they have? How much is 'enough for 9 bombs'?

What if now, rather than trying to go full-fission, the Iranians merely turn the material into a series of dirty bombs that they explode in key US/allied cities? Would US/allied security measures be sufficient to detect and prevent this from happening? (9/11 again, but with radioactive materials – a new Chernobyl?)

Would pushing for regime change make this more likely to happen, if you give the Iranian leadership no way out?

Noggin as you know, it will depend on the sources you read and which you want to believe.

Right now, all reports on success would be at best, just guesses. Full analysis are going to take time.

The mission itself was successful. Pulled off, no opposition, ordnance delivered and all returned safely. The Israelis can be thanked for lack of opposition, that and stealth technology, good troops and a fairly good plan.

The US is both a democracy and a republic. Americans exercise their political power by voting in elections to choose representatives. That's representative democracy: not direct democracy, say like C5th BC Athenian demokratia. But it's still democracy. If you want to get fancy, in 2021, the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance (IDEA) classified the United States as a "backsliding democracy" for the first time.

Yeah, the U.S. is a democracy in the sense that people vote and have a say — but it's more accurate to say we're a Constitutional Federal Republic that uses democratic methods to elect a representative government. So we don't vote on every issue directly like in ancient Athens — we choose folks to speak and vote on our behalf.

We're a Federal Republic made up of States:
That means we're a union of states that each have their own governments and laws, but they also agreed to hand over certain powers to a central Federal government — things like national defense or keeping States from fighting trade wars with each other. So States still have a lot of independence, but there's a national government to handle the big stuff.

The Constitution is the rulebook:
It spells out what the federal government can and can't do, and how the different parts — Congress, the President, the courts — are supposed to work. It's designed to keep power from getting out of hand.

The Bill of Rights locks in your freedoms:
These are the first ten amendments, and they put limits on what the government — Federal or State — can do to you. Things like free speech, religion, the right to a fair trial, owning a gun — those are off-limits to government meddling.

We use democracy, but we're not a pure democracy:
The U.S. was never meant to be a straight-up "majority rules" system. The Founders didn't trust that kind of setup — they were worried about mob rule. So they built in checks and balances: we vote for reps, not laws; the Electoral College picks the president not simple majority will (so the smaller States have voice in the election); and the Senate and Supreme Court play gatekeeper roles.

About that "backsliding democracy" label:
That came from a global watchdog group in 2021. It wasn't saying we stopped being a democracy — just that things like political division, mistrust in elections, and erosion of norms were starting to show cracks in the system. It's more of a warning sign than a reclassification.

Bottom line: the U.S. uses democracy, but at its core it's a Republic with a written Constitution and built-in protections to keep power balanced and people's rights safe — even when things get messy and a president you don't like is in the White House.

Would pushing for regime change make this more likely to happen, if you give the Iranian leadership no way out?

I don't think there IS a wat out. Iran's leadership saw what happened to Khadafi -- he gave up his WMD (nukes and chemical weapons), stopped sponsoring terrorism and bowed to the West…and the West (NATO and Obama) STILL KILLED HIM ANYWAYS! And how they killed him was particularly brutal, he was staked!

So the Libya War taught them they cannot surrender. Just like it taught Putin that NATO was an aggressive, expansionist power that could not be trusted (the Libya War had no legal justification or mechanism to invoke NATO Assets under the NATO Charter).

Prince Alberts Revenge 23 Jun 2025 3:00 a.m. PST
Perhaps we will see "MIGA" hats and mental gymnastics in the near future

If the Iranian people can regime change, good for them! BUT, the US should not commit troops to it.

The most significant retaliation Iran can do is a series of October 7 style attacks in the US and Europe where past leaders like Biden have allowed TENS OF MILLIONS of people to enter countries without controls, without knowing who they are or their intent. I pray not, but it's a real possibility.

SB agree on government of US. I and others have written similar in other threads and easy to confirm, (even on the web 😉).

Yes radical fundamentalists surrogates of Iran and radical Islam in general, let into this country, are probably are largest and most dangerous threat. Some never learned from 9/11 or the previous towers attack.

Past leaders like Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc.
Allowing migrants through the border is not something that happened in only one administration.

Breaking news:
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Reports of explosions over Doha
published at 17:42

Breaking
There are reports from Reuters and AFP news agencies of explosions being heard over Doha.

It follows earlier reports from US media saying that Iran was imminently preparing to fire missiles at a US base in Qatar.

Noggin not to the overwhelming extent of the Biden regime. We will never have an accurate account of the millions. Anywhere from over 6 million to 20 million.

Even the Borg would find assimilation and futile. 😅

"HAPPENING NOW: Iran launched six ballistic missiles towards US bases in Qatar"

Iranians "known" under Biden. Does not include those who eluded the border patrol.

"(The Center Square) – More than 700 Iranian nationals who illegally entered the U.S. were released into the country by the Biden administration, according to data The Center Square obtained Sunday from a Border Patrol agent.

According to the data, from fiscal years 2021 through 2024, Border Patrol agents apprehended 1,504 Iranian nationals who illegally entered the U.S. between ports of entry nationwide. Every year, the numbers increased exponentially.

They include 48 Iranian illegal border crossers apprehended in fiscal 2021; 197 apprehended in 2022; 462 apprehended in 2023; and 797 apprehended in 2024."

Allowing migrants through the border is not something that happened in only one administration.

Yes but Biden opened the border and let everyone thru. As well as fly some in from somewhere.

Not thousands but millions Biden's open border let in. Somewhere around 10-20 million under the Biden Admin. Also Obama deported about 5 million and Clinton 3 million. This can be found online. They new Biden open borders was a bad idea …

Yeah, FOX is reporting 6 missiles from Iran are fired at US base in Qatar. Reports are all the missiles were intercepted by US assets. And Iran may have to get schooled again …

+1 35thOVI
+1 Legion4

Biden willfully brought in an unprecedented, record breaking of illegal aliens from all over the world. Just 1000 Hamas militants caused the chaos oct Oct 7, the havoc here in the US could be even greater.

And I use the word "brought" deliberately since DOGE audits have revealed that USAID PAID NGOs TO BRING IN ILLEGALS! The Biden Admin also paid the UN DIRECTLY to help bring in illegals, AND it had its own program of direct flights into the US full of unvetted illegal aliens given some bizarre form of "legal" status so they could work plantation labor conditions in meat packing plants gutting chickens.

As long as we keep shooting the missiles down and Iran stops fairly soon, I doubt the US/Trump will respond.

Yes. Just heard Iran said they fired the same amount of missiles as US dropped bombs on the nuclear sites. So maybe this it, and a face saver.

don't think there IS a wat out. Iran's leadership saw what happened to Khadafi -- he gave up his WMD (nukes and chemical weapons), stopped sponsoring terrorism and bowed to the West…and the West (NATO and Obama) STILL KILLED HIM ANYWAYS! And how they killed him was particularly brutal, he was staked!

Exactly. Imagine the situation in Ukraine had they kept their nukes when the Soviet Union collapsed.
If the Iranians actually did transfer all the enriched uranium, and they would be fools not to have done that, all we accomplished was to shut down production without affecting inventory.
See my above on the Hiroshima bomb, an extremely primitive device. Hey, but a Model T is rather primitive too, but it got the job done.

By the way, Hillary's expertise and diplomatic skills displayed in the betrayal of Qaddafi are one of the many reasons I voted for The Donald. We can't have rank amateurs running foreign policy! 🙄

"Iran coordinated the attacks on the American air base in Qatar with Qatari officials and gave advanced notice that attacks were coming to minimize casualties, according to three Iranian officials familiar with the plans. The officials said Iran symbolically needed to strike back at the US but at the same time carry it out in a way that allowed all sides an exit ramp; they described it as a similar strategy to 2020 when Iran gave Iraq heads up before firing ballistic missiles an American base in Iraq following the assassination of its top general," the New York Times

By the way, Hillary's expertise and diplomatic skills displayed in the betrayal of Qaddafi are one of the many reasons I voted for The Donald. We can't have rank amateurs running foreign policy! 🙄

John … is this something we can agree on ? 🤔🤨

🤔….. 👍

I must say, by Jove, that Iran's retaliatory missile strikes against American bases in Qatar have been rather … polite.
Qatar was warned. Trump says that the Americans were warned. (I'll have to admit that just because Trump said so, doesn't make it so.) 🙄🤷
If these reports are to be believed, Iran is basically saying "Hey. You know we have to respond. We'll send our slow unreliable ones, and it's okay if you shoot them down."
Jeez. It's almost like Robert MacNamara or Henry Kissinger are being channeled to give "measured response".

I'm not a Diplomacy expert, even though I played by mail back in the 70s and 80s. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

🤔 Did the Mossad possibly consult Hillary on tactics for offing adversaries in their own beds without anyone knowing? What better expert could they seek assistance from? WAIT!!! ….. Is it possible that Hillary is the "M" of Mossad?! 😱

"BIG H"??? 🤯

Let me just say that for the past 30 years, both parties have failed the American voting people. Nothing but frauds and hacks. And "reality tv" hosts.
Nobody knows💩 . I don't trust anyone. The Constitution is as relevant as the fine print on a jar of blackberry preserves.
"Ask your doctor if inflation is good for you!"

Someone above noted that no POTUS for the last 30 years has even bothered to consult Congress (what a low bar!) about …. anything.

I was born a few weeks after the Korean Police Action started. No declaration. It started because Dulles pointedly left Korea out of the American "sphere of influence". 30,000+ Americans killed, unknown number of civilians. But who cares about them?
I was a lad during the Bay of Pigs, designed to restore Mafia gambling in Havana. I was a lad during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Incompetence and lies.
A few years later, up pops the Gulf of Tonkin pack of lies, and 55,000+ American dead, and again many more civilians that nobody gives a crap about. Naturally, an undeclared war.
By the way, my draft lottery number is 350. Safe, but guilty. I still carry my draft card in my wallet. Just in case.

The Balkans and "Mideast" are too complicated to go into.
But our Commanders in chief sure got a bunch more of Americans killed, and of course the unimportant civilians. No declarations. Few Congressional consultations. But that's okay. Who gives a damn about the Constitution and limited powers?
How many here, who are chest thumping Trump and cheering, would feel the same way if it were Kamala Harris launching bunker busters? Hmmmmm? Don't answer. Oh, she's Commander in Chief? No. You would be following my arguments listed above.
No. I didn't vote for her. 🙄

Trump is announcing an end to the Israeli / Iran War, ceasefire to begin in six hours, midnight eastern time.

I'll believe it when it happens.
Better yet, a week or two after.

Kamala would never have launched anything aside from another glass of Chablis down her throat.

Yep just heard and read the same. 6 hours.

Hope so.

As far as I understand, neither Israel, nor Iran, nor the US were ready for a protracted war. Trump has added a few extra points to his account.
If the deal goes through.
But what are the results? Israel has shown that it is capable of waging a brilliant sabotage and air war. But without its "big brother" the US, it is extremely vulnerable in a real big war. Its air defense is weak, its territory is insufficient for an effective long-term war.
The Iranian regime is quite stable, it has an excellent concept of "missile cities". Its air defense and aviation are vulnerable and weak.
Iran will stop all cooperation with international organizations and any negotiations on the nuclear issue. We will all now only guess when and how they will get a nuclear bomb. I think – soon. And they will hint to us that it is. We will have a new "North Korea". No one is bombing North Korea…
Iran will become more dependent on China or Russia. Rather, it will become closer to China.
Israel has worsened the political situation in the region for itself. He turned out to be not as strong as he seemed.
I think the US can not be afraid of Iranian terrorists on its territory. At least until the start of a big world war. Iran's enemy is Israel. Any strikes on the US now will not bring Iran closer to victory, but only move it away.

@Cuprum2
In the last portion of your post, you make sense. However, you are also assuming that the regime in Uran will act rationally, and not seek revenge. 🤷

Trump announced ceasefire. Appears both sides ignored it. Still firing missiles. However, it would also appear that Trump is not wanting to have a war with Iran.

The ceasefire is supposed to begin in 24 hours.

Which is, by the way, ridiculous. You can have a ceasefire immediately just by sending out the order to STOP SHOOTING. Especially when the shooting is long range air attacks.

In the history of the world, how many people have been needlessly killed because diplomats and generals can't just decide that they can stop killing people RIGHT NOW. "No, we need to kill a few more people while you get it all down on paper, sign it, and attach a wax seal."

:P

On 11/11/1918, the truce was scheduled to start at an agreed time. Both sides kept fighting up to Zero hour.
Then, they laid down their rifles, ran across No-Man's Land and embraced each other.

It's correct to be cynical. To not be cynical is to be delusional.

FWIW … I hope Iran's islamic leadership plays ball. They have suffered massive attrition of equipment and leaders. Plus their nuke plans are pretty much over.

They all saw how effectively the IDF killed off islamic leaders in Gaza, Lebanon plus Iran (and even Yemen IIRC). They also saw how efficiently the IDF goes to war. In Gaza, Lebanon and Iran.

The Ayatollah knows he is not safe … pretty much anywhere.

Plus the B-2s and GBU-57s made it clear what the US can do. Not only to Iran's leadership. But Russian, China, N/Korea, etc.

If they wanted to live … they didn't have too many options. However, we still can't trust them. We have to play hardball. It looks like Iran's population will not be able to overthrow this radical regime.

Of course the US plan was not regime change, it was to take out their nuke assets. Let the Iranians change their leadership on their own as that is what they even said. As well as we must have learned our lessons with nation building.

If Iran's leadership decides to not go along with the ceasefire. Well the IDF and US still have a lot of ordinance.

Plus all need to remember the GWoT is not over. There are still many islamic terrorist/jihadis, etc. around … and they are not going to request a cease fire …

make sense. However, you are also assuming that the regime in Uran will act rationally, and not seek revenge.

Yes islamist/jihadis, etc. think much differently than most of the world does especially in the West. They generally should not be trusted. As historically we know when dealing with islamists.

On 11/11/1918, the truce was scheduled to start at an agreed time. Both sides kept fighting up to Zero hour.

The same happened during the Korean War. The Chicoms wanted to gobble up as much terrain as they could. And the UN wanted to hold as much territory as they could. The lines today were pretty much where the war ended.

E.g. the US FOB, Guard Posts, etc. in the US sector. Had the Imjin R. behind us, as it meanders thru both sides of the DMZ. Not the perfect use of terrain, you want the river in front of you. But that is where the truce took place.

About that ceasefire….
Apparently fire never ceased on either side.
So, Trump is having a hissy fit meltdown because neither Iran nor Israel are obeying him.
Who didn't see that one coming?

John yes he was pis#ed at both sides. He held nothing back. He evidently got Israel to turn all retaliation back after Iran sent a missile in after the deadline. All but one, a hit on an Iranian radar installation.

Since that point the ceasefire is holding between the 2. I assume, you like me, hope this will hold and people stop dying.

But as the President said:
"We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fu#k they're doing."

Subject: CSPAN on X: "President Trump on Israel and Iran: "We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the they're doing." t.co/xrztmebALZ / X


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Meanwhile on the home front:

"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested 11 Iranian nationals found to be living in the country illegally, including individuals with suspected terrorist ties and significant criminal histories.

These individuals were apprehended from eight states, including Minnesota, Mississippi, Alabama, California, New York, Colorado, and Texas.

According to DHS, the detainees include a former member of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), a convicted Iranian Army sniper, and at least one individual with confirmed Hezbollah affiliations.

One high-profile arrest occurred in St. Paul, Minnesota, where ICE took into custody Mehran Makari Saheli, a 56‑year‑old ex-IRGC member linked to Hezbollah and with a prior firearms conviction."

Nobel Peace Prize back on the table?

Pakistan already has done it.

Subject: Pakistan plans to nominate Trump for Nobel Peace Prize – BBC News

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The best today:

Subject: Tehran Times


tehrantimes.com

😂

Wasn't Obama awarded the Prize after a week in office?

Wasn't Obama awarded the Prize after a week in office?

LOL, yes, before Michelle had a chance to even change the curtains in the White House. And how much peace did he deliver? Not a lotta peace, but a whole lotta war, death, chaos and global instability.

Has Israel struck any of the Iranian mother ships and their drones loitering off the coast of New Jersey?

Apparently, the Apocalypse has been canceled.

The ceasefire is in place and holding.
Stock market has surged.
Price of oil has gone down by 6%.

Iran's only response against the US was a deliberately off-target missile strike on a US military base in Qatar, for which they alerted the US and Qatar so the missiles could be easily shot down. No deaths, no injuries, no damage.
(They did shoot into Israel, unfortunately killing 4 people, but Israel agreed with the President to abide by a ceasefire without retaliating, and that situation is holding for both sides.)

Aside from that powerless mouth with no brain Mevedev, no support expressed by ANYONE of note (or military ability) for Iran. China— completely mute.

No World War III. No terrorist strike around the world. A ceasefire.

Situation Iran: 60% of their launchers have been destroyed. The nuclear facilities are GONE, buried under hundreds of thousands of tons of rock. The Iranian military leadership has been utterly destroyed. They have lost billions of dollars of military hardware, permanently. They have been shown to be weak— indeed feeble— and their so-called leaders nothing but posturing phonies. With this ceasefire we may well be seeing a dramatic shift in who actually controls Iran at the top levels. The mullahs look like the backwards idiots they are. They aren't capable of exercising power, and the government ranks of those immediately under them who were loyal to them have been decimated. The Iranian people now have a chance to seize that scale and turn their nation around— but for the rest world, whatever happens, the threat of Iran's nuclear ambitions is GONE.

And now Russia and China have witnessed first hand just how effective the US global strategic military capabilities are. The B2s flew in undetected by ANYONE— even their allies— destroyed their targets completely, and flew back unharmed. The Iranian air defense systems were reportedly "seeing" phantom targets (probably an undetected software hack imbedded in their systems). And an American "boomer" submarine launched 30 Tomahawk from the Indian Ocean, apparently undetected by anybody— including Russia and China, who we all know are desperate to know where US submarine assets are. They may have thought they knew— now they know that they don't. And that will terrify them.

And they all know that right now, the US has the resolve and the spine to do whatever is necessary when faced with a threat, and the ability to carry it out.

China's ambitions against Taiwan may have just collapsed— or at least been significantly delayed. (And Xi is currently in political trouble in China, from what I've read.)

And Russia has just been served a bit of notice, too.

(Loved the President's response when Putin made a snarky comment about mediating peace between the Israel and Iran about a week ago— "Do me a favor and mediate your own peace." That's a genius political takedown, no matter who says it. )

Welcome to the potential for real peace, y'all.

Oh, and on the Constitutional concerns on military actions, I would point out that in the 18th Century there was no such thing as instantaneous global communications. Military action was slow to put forth, intelligence reports travelled at the speed of a sailing vessel, and news of a war would arrive with the warships involved. Similarly, military action wasn't really in the hands of either a President or Congress, but rather was entrusted to military personnel on the scene. The commander of a single ship might be forced to recognize and prevent military actions against US interests without the President or Congress having any inkling such a need existed. The framers of the Constitution understood this. The right to "declare war" falls on Congress. But that's not the same thing as "military action." It's a formal recognition or proposal of a long-term state of activity, to be delivered by diplomatic channels to the enemy's leaders. It's not an authorization or de-authorization of anything except an active state of war itself. And note that Congress doesn't vote to end a war— it is not authorized by the Constitution to do so! The President decides when the war ends, with Congress's say being either funding changes to reduce the ability to continue the war (which must pass both houses and is subject to Presidential veto, just as any other bill) OR the Senate's responsibility for ratifying a treaty made by the President.

In any case, military actions without explicit Congressional authorization have occurred from the beginning of the country— after all, the Continental Congress did not formally authorized the American Rebellion until 1776, with the Declaration of Independence— but no one thought the colonies weren't at war! Military responses to Indian raids, Fort Sumter's return fire, the opening of Japan, the failed 19th century attempt to open Korea resulting in an extensive battle by the Marine Corps and the Navy with Korean force. Military action; no vote.
And of course Truman's "police action" in Korea, Kennedy and LBJ's entanglements in Vietnam, Carter's attempt to rescue the hostages, Reagan's intervention into Granada and bombing of Libya, Bush 1 in Somalia, Clinton's actions in Haiti and Kosovo, Obama's takedown of Bin Laden (violating Pakistan's sovereignty) and so on and so forth— all military actions ordered with no declaration by Congress, and no horrified response by either media or political grandstanders.

In fact, the decision by Congress to fund first-strike and military response funding is in and of itself authorization to engage in necessary, brief actions such as the above, as determined by the President of the United States, whomever he or she may be.

That's how it works, y'all. And really, that's how it has to work, because we are in an era with instant communications, and you NEVER tell an enemy what you intend to do until it's already done.

You'd think people on a military wargames site would get that last bit. But politics makes for self-strangling hypocritical postures. It's Pretzel-time!

Just read this from Israel. Sound realistic.

"Israeli intelligence assesses that US and Israeli strikes set back Iran's nuclear program by "several years," but did not completely destroy it, as US President Donald Trump has repeatedly claimed, a senior Israeli official tells The Times of Israel.

The Israeli intelligence assessment is constantly being updated and refined, and a more concrete understanding of the status of Iran's nuclear program will be available in the coming weeks, the senior Israeli official says.

The Israeli official argues that the military strikes were still worthwhile because the negotiations that the US had previously been pursuing with Iran would not have been able to achieve such results.

Moreover, the strikes on the nuclear program along with other military targets in Iran will serve as a deterrent against the Islamic Republic again trying to enrich uranium.

IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir also said this evening, "We have set Iran's nuclear project back by years, and the same goes for its missile program."
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If they get close again, we can set it back more years. (No trying to build democracies in the Middle East). Just quick strikes in and out. If we had just gone in and out of Afghanistan.

Are the haters losing their allies. 😱

"Most House Democrats joined with Republicans on Tuesday to quash an effort to impeach President Donald Trump over his weekend Iran strikes.

Rep. Al Green's impeachment resolution was tabled on a 344-79 vote, with 128 Democrats joining all 216 Republicans to kill the measure."

@Parzival
Ah. The Constitution is outdated, and has been since the Korean Police Action. It's celebrating its 75th anniversary this very week!
Glad you posted The Memo!

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"The US military strikes on three of Iran's nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country's nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by four people briefed on it."

Wasn't Obama awarded the Prize after a week in office?

I thought so too … But I'm still not sure what he did to get it ? If anything ?

SBm +1

OVI +1

Parzival +

Has Israel struck any of the Iranian mother ships and their drones loitering off the coast of New Jersey?

I'm pretty sure that was just more conspiracy theory than fact.

However, the FBI or ICE, etc. did round up some illegal aliens from Iran who were bad guys. They came thru with the last Admin's open border folly. But again … how many of them are still out there? In Sleeper Cells ? And not just from Iran, but e.g. any islamic dominated country, China, Mexico, Central & South American, etc. That have ill intent for the US.

Hopefully with the heightened alert status more of these "undesirables" will be caught and sent … I'd say Gitmo is nice this time of year …

"The US military strikes on three of Iran's nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country's nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by four people briefed on it."

As with any BDA the actual damage is only really known by an on the ground recon. Not just from looking at photographs, generally.

And it really will take time to get and dissect all the intel, etc. As is so often said, "This is an ongoing investigation." … Which is obviously true. Frankly only after a couple of days after the strikes. Without on the ground recon no one will know for sure.

However, GEN Petraeus Ret. one of the USA's top leaders, in an interview on FOX. He thought that it appeared to him the damage would take Iran years to get a nuke program functioning again.

Regardless, the GBU-57s if nothing else closed up all the entrances, etc. it appears. Probably caused some mine like cave-ins. It would not be an easy task to get back into the ruins of those facilities. Especially with all the air and space assets to keep watch. But I'm guessing that almost all of our B-2s are mission capable and we have a lot of GBU-57s at ASPs. Plus right now and anytime in the near future the islamic regime will be too busy doing other things. On a variety of topics.

IMO Petraus is the best source for the results because of his vast experiences, etc. And again, it is only about 48hrs after the strikes. He said similar. Maybe the IDF Spec Ops and Free Iranians could do a BDA on the ground. IDF Spec ops have been on the ground in Iran for a very long time. Working with the Anti-islamic regime Forces very closely.

Plus many of Iran's Nuke scientists and top leaders were removed from the board by the IDF. And the Ayatollah, with his retinue, etc. must know the IDF or even the US could end their subscription to life. At anytime and anywhere … de facto Dead men walking one could say.

Has any entity claimed/reported the whereabouts of the allegedly 81lbs of Uranium enriched to 60% that Iran was considered to possess prior to the initial Israeli strikes? Fordow had fairly significant activity leaving the site in the days prior to being struck. Has any entity identified where that may have transferred items?