John the OFM  | 22 Jun 2025 8:10 a.m. PST |
Now I'm accused of saying, which I never did, that the US military didn't do an excellent job. They certainly did, and would do, no matter who was President. The fact that Trump ordered it does not make it right, nor does it make it incorrect. 
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Inch High Guy | 22 Jun 2025 8:13 a.m. PST |
Seven B-2s flew a 37-hour mission from their base in Missouri, each carrying a pair of GBU-57s. Targets were Natanz and Fordow. Isfahan was hit by 24 (some sources are saying 30) TLAMs launched from USN submarines. 125 US aircraft involved in total, the B-2s were escorted and supported over Iran. No indications that the aircraft were opposed or even detected by Iranian air defenses, all recovered safely. Before and after satellite photos here, looks like entrances were targeted: link |
35thOVI  | 22 Jun 2025 8:15 a.m. PST |
"My concern is that this will antagonize their ally Russia. Russia has nuclear weapons. We don't want WW3." I may be wrong, but I believe this was said in sarcasm and aimed at those of us concerned about Ukraine/Russia somehow turning to nukes. |
Inch High Guy | 22 Jun 2025 8:23 a.m. PST |
75 precision guided munitions used in total. 14 GBU-57 24-30 TLAMs leaves 37 – 31 "other", likely at least some SEAD targets by supporting aircraft. |
John the OFM  | 22 Jun 2025 8:42 a.m. PST |
By the way, to other people. Thanks for the information. I think it's amazing that they could take off from Missouri, reach Iran do the mission and return home on a 32 hour flight. Amazing job, amazing weapons. I hope they did the job. Unfortunately, the Shiite clique governing Iran are extreme hard core "12th Imam" sect with extreme eschatological views. They embrace martyrdom. What I fear is that this doesn't deter them. If, as they claim, the proper material has been removed, all they need is the proper engineering and technology to manufacture nukes. May I bring to your attention the extremely primitive nature of the Hiroshima bomb? Does anyone think Iran is incapable of that? Hell, I can Google it. Add a cobalt jacket. They don't need missiles. If Ukraine can smuggle trucks into Russia to carry drones, or Israel can smuggle ditto into Iran… Hello Jerusalem, London, Washington or New York. My only fear is that we may have provoked this imaginary scenario. And North Korea probably has a few sale items, sitting around gathering dust. |
35thOVI  | 22 Jun 2025 8:43 a.m. PST |
John, now come on. 🙂 Admit, you would have been one of the first to cut down Trump if he had done nothing, with a few TACO's thrown in for good measure. 😉 He kept his promise and he supported an ally. Also he has been the first to do anything of substance, since Ronald Reagan hit the Iranian fleet. Again kudos to "everyone" involved and I mean everyone. Trump did not plan it, nor does any President. But he has the final say. I know you accuse us of thinking everything he does is good. I'm not happy that the big beautiful Bill does not have more cuts. I'd be shipping more illegals out in the night, just like the previous administration brought them in. Let the pet Feds rant and rave. I think he takes slights too personally and says things off the cuff. This is not business, it's politics. Just 3 things. But he is far and away better than a puppet, with obvious mental issues who obviously was not in charge. As well as a socialist, with a racial chip on his shoulder. Was not a big fan of 2nd Bush after Iraq2. Could not stand either Romney nor McCain. But held my nose and voted for both. Cheer up John, there is a lot of good going on, even if the MSM doesn't report it… just in the last 2 weeks. Now if you wanna cut down Congress, I'm with you 100%. 😉 |
35thOVI  | 22 Jun 2025 8:49 a.m. PST |
By the way John, that last was well written without being personal. (Didn't see it until after my post). I may not agree with all of it, but it is a valid opinion. 🙂 May not agree politically, but like your taste in military books. |
John the OFM  | 22 Jun 2025 8:52 a.m. PST |
Don't worry! Our anti terrorism is in good hands! link |
John the OFM  | 22 Jun 2025 8:53 a.m. PST |
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35thOVI  | 22 Jun 2025 9:08 a.m. PST |
Yep they disparaged Old Pete too. He seemed to handle this attack well for… a just a beginner. 😉 |
35thOVI  | 22 Jun 2025 9:09 a.m. PST |
Here you go John. Just some things in the last 3 weeks to add to last nights strikes. I'll turn you positive yet. 😉 "Pakistan to nominate Trump for Nobel Peace Prize" Subject: Pakistan plans to nominate Trump for Nobel Peace Prize – BBC News link Even CNN had to admit they were all wrong, (in there words, at least for now. But Armageddon is still coming!! 🤣) Subject: So, has anything actually gotten more expensive because of Trump's tariffs? | CNN Business link Subject: Trump brokers Rwanda-Congo treaty as Pakistan nominates him for Nobel link Subject: Secretary of the Navy John C. Phelan on X: "I am proud to announce that we have met our Fiscal Year 2025 recruiting goal three months ahead of schedule. A total of 40,600 future Sailors have stepped up to serve in our @USNavy. This achievement reflects the courage of those who choose a life of honor and commitment in t.co/pAcPlx9z53 / X
link Check out the inflation rate, in the last 6 months, 1 year Subject: United States Inflation Rate link Subject: Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent on X: "Thanks to @POTUS's pro-growth, America First policies, real wages for hourly workers are up nearly 2% in the first five months of @realDonaldTrump's second term — the strongest growth in 60 years. No president has done that before — except President Trump in his first term. t.co/gasjQn33eb / X link I see this as a positive. Back to the states, like abortion. Subject: Supreme Court Upholds Tennessee's Ban On Transgender Drugs For Children link This one the MSM and Democrats can take some credit for. For scaring the crap out of the illegals. 😂 Subject: Report: Up to 1 Million Illegals Have Already Self-Deported Under Trump – Tennessee Star link Subject: Exclusive | Blue-collar wage growth under Trump sees largest increase in nearly 60 years: Bessent link And the border!! Subject: Border Patrol Didn't Release a Single Illegal into the U.S. Last Month – The White House link What!! 😱 Subject: The U.S. Is On Track For Its Lowest Murder Rate Ever link I'm sure the negative Nellie's will come back with: " All yeah!! Well let me tell you…." 😅 |
35thOVI  | 22 Jun 2025 9:30 a.m. PST |
Subject: Israel Defense Forces on X: "24 HR RECAP: 🎯2 F-5 fighter jets belonging to the Iranian Armed Forces at the Dezful Airport in Iran struck ❌8 launchers neutralized, including six that were ready for immediate launch toward Israel ✈️20+ IAF fighter jets struck dozens of military targets in Iran t.co/uRqFxiFEUi / X link |
John the OFM  | 22 Jun 2025 10:20 a.m. PST |
Interesting Wikipedia article on the Hiroshima bomb construction. link "Little Boy used a charge of cordite to fire a hollow cylinder (the "bullet") of highly enriched uranium through an artillery gun barrel into a solid cylinder (the "target") of the same material. The design was highly inefficient: the weapon used on Hiroshima contained 64 kilograms (141 lb) of uranium, but less than a kilogram underwent nuclear fission." That was a 1945 construction. Much simpler than the Fat Man bomb of Nagasaki fame, which used a complicated implosion. So, if as the Iranian regime claimed, they had moved most of the enriched uranium, a 15kt Hiroshima bomb is feasible. Raise hands. How many people believe that they didn't achieve the right concentration? And why don't you think so? Because a non government multi nation group says so? As Old Nan says in Game of Thrones, "Oh, you sweet summer child." Let's just hope for 100% accuracy in inspection of trucks and shipping containers. Interesting "facts" came out last week, before the US jumped into the war. Israeli intelligence insisted that Iran was imminently close to having the capability to produce weapons. While American intelligence was ALMOST unanimous in disagreement. Sure, I never trusted Tulsi Gabbard, but… When intelligence is required to give you the facts you want to believe, then that's like "I did my research! I Googled xxxxx and chose the links I knew I would agree with!" I would wager that Israeli intelligence supplied the facts that Netanyahu dearly wanted. "The first casualty of War is the Truth." |
Andy ONeill | 22 Jun 2025 10:25 a.m. PST |
Although perhaps technically not a declaration of war it seems to me to be effectively the same. If it's just destruction of the facilities was the aim then the obvious thing to do imo would be to drop the bombs from those stealth bombers unannounced.
The chance of a major US city being blown up just increased. A lot more likely are attacks on oil tankers in the strait of Hormuz. |
Royston Papworth | 22 Jun 2025 10:46 a.m. PST |
If a Brit can interrupt an American conversation. What it does mean is that the US can't stop, it's now a case of regime change or bust. If the Ayatollahs remain in charge, they will never trust the US again, they may agree to not progress a nuke, but will have realised the only way they can survive is to possess nukes and the means to deliver them. It also means that the US will need to take over the role of nuclear policeman. Apart from that it was a well planned and carried out operation that only the US Armed Forces could have carried out . |
35thOVI  | 22 Jun 2025 10:47 a.m. PST |
"Although perhaps technically not a declaration of war it seems to me to be effectively the same. If it's just destruction of the facilities was the aim then the obvious thing to do imo would be to drop the bombs from those stealth bombers unannounced.
" It was not announced until afterward. It was warned of for over 60 days. Longer if they listened to our elections. If MOAB's are dropped, who else would they hold responsible? India, Germany, Latvia? Once done, they automatically know. 😉 "The chance of a major US city being blown up just increased." No more so than before. They have threatened for decades. One radical Islamic or another. Maybe less so from a missile with a nuke from Iran. Do you believe England is safe? Germany? Sweden, France? Radical Islam has struck everywhere. You, like us, have allowed how many freely into our countries? "A lot more likely are attacks on oil tankers in the strait of Hormuz." Were they not doing this already? With more of our planes and ships there right now, more chance to destroy those doing it and if need be, take out the Iranian Navy. If we truly wanted to hurt them, we could knock out the electric and communications infrastructures. Destroy their refineries and oil exports. Or much worse. The President has a right to feel proud of the accomplishment. It went as planned with no U.S. casualties. He thanked everyone involved. Unlike a previous President who refused to accept responsibility for a debacle of a retreat from Afghanistan and blamed his predecessor. It really does not matter what he does, much (but not all) of Europe does not like him and would find an issue if he did it, or not. |
jeffbird | 22 Jun 2025 11:07 a.m. PST |
I bet, behind closed doors. The Gulf states are relieved, that this has happened. |
John the OFM  | 22 Jun 2025 11:08 a.m. PST |
If the Ayatollahs remain in charge, they will never trust the US again, they may agree to not progress a nuke… And who could, or would believe them? I agree that we are now in it to the end game, whatever it may be. Well, we haven't been in a war declared by Congress since 1945. Little skirmishes like Korea, Vietnam, worthless actions in the Muslim East, the Balkans, etc. none declared by Congress. In my opinion, that's a combination of Presidential arrogance and Congressional cowardice. Sure, Congress is fine to "authorize the use of force", but don't want to stain their lily white conscience with actual WAR. And, just like with Vietnam, Congress can feel free to attack the policies they voted for. (The Gulf of Tonkin Incident was fake, by the way. 🙄) |
Legion 4  | 22 Jun 2025 12:07 p.m. PST |
Now I'm accused of saying, which I never did, that the US military didn't do an excellent job. They certainly did, and would do, no matter who was President. Well John I've never accused you of that. However, the rest of that post and others you made are generally pure drivel. As often they are, IMO. I always say everybody can have an opinion. But it seems to me you think that only applies to you … 🤔 Oh I don't look good in black robes. Makes me look too fat ! 😨 (And I am still a registered Republican. And no, I didn't vote for Harris. I sat this one out, although I did vote against both Hillary and Biden. So I guess I'm to blame, in a minuscule way, for him.) That was almost good to hear … almost … But you still are not invited over for Christmas … Although perhaps technically not a declaration of war it seems to me to be effectively the same. IRRC the POTUS has this power from Art.2. Obama/Hillary used it in Syria, Libya, Pakistan, etc. As well as Biden or whoever was in charge at the WH, did similar to make minor strikes in Yemen. What's the difference … bottom line this about nukes in islamic fanatics hands. Oh and a number in Congress want to impeach him now … again … I bet, behind closed doors. The Gulf states are relieved, that this has happened. That is the word on the streets. Seems only some in Congress must think it is OK for islamic terrorists to get nukes. What it does mean is that the US can't stop, it's now a case of regime change or bust. Well not really. Everyone wants the Ayatollah and his minions to go. Everybody hopes the Iranians will do it. However, the IDF are very good at terminating islamists with extreme prejudice. Of course the POTUS etc. made it clear if you shot at us anywhere. Our air assets, etc. will take out the trash. Krispy Kritters, eyes teeth and hair everywhere. We and the IDF say we know where he is. Based on everything I'd say he and his minions are living on borrowed time. |
jsmcc91 | 22 Jun 2025 12:17 p.m. PST |
Good lord, he doesn't need Congress's approval for this type of mission and it is not a war or start of a war. The same people moaning about it are the same people that want to pump more money and arms into the perpetual war in Ukraine. Iran was warned and what was needed happened. |
wardog | 22 Jun 2025 12:25 p.m. PST |
so moab (mother of all bombs) has just lost that title to mop so should moab be renamed? |
Legion 4  | 22 Jun 2025 12:31 p.m. PST |
Name names please, and the quotes that lead you to believe this. Try to be precise. Hyperbole John … try decaf … But based on some of the things some have reportedly been quoted as having said. Which much of it was within "character" for some of those in Congress. I don't think I'm allowed to say the names, last time IIRC I got DH'd for that. So … I'm not going to give you the satisfaction you so dearly need/want. However, if you want to impeach the POTUS[again] as all but one is from the one side of the aisle(D) are saying. For deploying airstrikes on islamists that want to make nukes. To drop in Israel, the US, etc. That may make one think they may not have a problem with fanatical islamists getting nukes. Just saying … If you really want to know names. FOX and Newsmax have said it many times today. FOX literally just reported it again. Seems to me to be all the usual suspects. jsmcc91 +1
Again IIRC Art.2 covers this type of scenario … They just sad it again on FOX. *Wardog No the MOAB[Massive Ordinance Air Burst] blows up above ground. The MOP[Massive Ordinance Penetrator] blows up underground and is heavier. The MOAB can be deployed by a C-130. The MOP has to be deployed by a B-2 or I've heard a B-52 also. |
Tortorella  | 22 Jun 2025 12:37 p.m. PST |
Checks and balances have been out of whack for many decades. If we consulted Congress we would never get an answer when we find a difficult situations to handle. It's not ideal, not what was originally Intended. But there was no MAD to consider back then. |
John the OFM  | 22 Jun 2025 12:38 p.m. PST |
Good lord, he doesn't need Congress's approval for this type of mission and it is not a war or start of a war. 🙄 Sure. And Korea was a "police action", Vietnam was fabricated around the Gulf of Tonkin…. Et ceteras How many Americans need to die or be at risk before you deign to call it a War that needs to be declared? Heck, Trump didn't even see the need to get an "authorized use of force". I'm truly sad that the Constitution seems so insignificant to you. How many times have you read it? |
Legion 4  | 22 Jun 2025 1:07 p.m. PST |
Tort you are correct … John you may want to reread Art.2 Sec.II of the Constitution. This is the 21st Century, war moves a lot faster now than when the Constitution was written. As Tort pointed out – MAD. In reality if this went in front of Congress as Tort points out. By the time a decision was made the islamist could have had a nuke and hit Israel, etc. How many Americans need to die or be at risk before you deign to call it a War that needs to be declared? A little dramatic John … I served with many Combat Vets in Combat Units/ 4 Line Infantry Bns. Also have seen many memorials and was in enough funeral details, etc. to know … It's a lot … I'm truly sad that the Constitution seems so insignificant to you. I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. And even read it long ago. Many of my comrades and I stood on an enemy border or along a coast to protect and defend the Constitution. And follow the [legal] orders of the POTUS. Ah … I'm not going to say anything else … It might hurt your feelings, pride, etc. … 'nuff said … |
ochoin  | 22 Jun 2025 1:14 p.m. PST |
Another opinion: "My thoughts on bombing Iran. I don't know anyone in America who has been the victim of a crime or killed by Iran, but I know many people who have been victims of crime committed by criminal illegal aliens or MURDERED by Cartel and Chinese fentanyl/drugs. Almost everyone in our country can relate to this fact. However America has not dropped bunker busters on the Cartel's sophisticated drug tunnels, launched tomahawks on massive cartel poisonous drug operations, or gone to war against the cartels international terrorists networks. Neocon warmongers beat their drums of war and act like Billy badasses going to war in countries most Americans have never seen and can't find on a map, but never find the courage to go to war against the actual terrorists who actually do kill Americans, invade our land, and make BILLIONS doing it day after day, year after year. I'm 51 years old. I'm GenX. I've watched our country go to war in foreign lands for foreign causes on behalf of foreign interests for as long as I can remember. I was in 10th grade when Desert Storm started and my father before me was sent to Vietnam, another senseless foreign war. America is $37 USD TRILLION in debt and all of these foreign wars have cost Americans TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS of dollars that never benefited any American. American troops have been killed and forever torn apart physically and mentally for regime change, foreign wars, and for military industrial base profits. " Marjorie Taylor Green |
Legion 4  | 22 Jun 2025 1:14 p.m. PST |
The official chant of Legion4: "Hey hey. Ho ho. Those who disagree with me have got to go.Hey hey. Ho ho. Those who disagree with me have got to go. Hey hey. Ho ho. Those who disagree with me have got to go." Repeat endlessly. When you stop to take a breath, throw in insults and logical fallacies. HEY BILL !!! Is he allowed to make up a funny/silly song like that about me ? "Some people have sensitive feelings you know." …
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35thOVI  | 22 Jun 2025 1:36 p.m. PST |
Another opinion: "Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) is offering support for President Trump's decision to bomb Iran, standing out from a number of other Democrats who have criticized the military action. "As I've long maintained, this was the correct move by @POTUS," Fetterman wrote in a post on X that linked to a statement from Trump announcing the decision. "Iran is the world's leading sponsor of terrorism and cannot have nuclear capabilities," Fetterman continued. I'm grateful for and salute the finest military in the world." Fetterman since Hamas launched an attack on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023 has been a vocal supporter of Israel, and has at times criticized his own party over the Middle East." |
jsmcc91 | 22 Jun 2025 2:12 p.m. PST |
John, go take your meds. None of the other President's before Trump had to tell Congress anything of a strike. The War Powers Act is very clear. The Constitution is being followed. If you don't think so, then you ignored all the President's actions in the past. |
ochoin  | 22 Jun 2025 2:12 p.m. PST |
That's democracy – a range of opinions. Let's hope it continues in the US. |
Andrew Walters | 22 Jun 2025 2:32 p.m. PST |
An important angle no one is mentioning is the Saudis. Saudi Arabia has a long running, multidimensional rivalry with Iran, and the US has done a lot to help Saudi Arabia. We renamed the gulf, or pretended to, and we sold them a lot of hardware. There are also giant airbases in SA that their military could never use; they are there for the US to fly into if we need to defend them. The Saudis to us favors from time to time (when they aren't working against us), and the US helps them out. The Saudis absolutely do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons. There's no question in my mind that the Saudis are pressuring the US to drop these bombs. Wikileaks' big 2011 release included specific communications from King Abdullah urging the US to strike Iran's nuclear program way back then. They have always wanted this. Now they're getting it and it will all be blamed on Trump and the Israelis, they didn't even have to spend any favors or take any blame. This is a sweet deal for the Saudis. It is a little concerning that we skipped the tradition Lying To Congress part of the process. On the other hand the Iranian nuclear program is set back four to six years. |
ochoin  | 22 Jun 2025 2:38 p.m. PST |
While we're on opinions, can I offer the thoughts of this great New Zealand band? YouTube link |
jsmcc91 | 22 Jun 2025 3:04 p.m. PST |
Ochoin, to correct you, the US is not a Democracy. It is a Constitutional Republic. A difference between the two. |
Saginaw | 22 Jun 2025 3:05 p.m. PST |
"Operation Midnight Hammer". I like it. |
ochoin  | 22 Jun 2025 3:54 p.m. PST |
jsmcc91 Thank you. I will say, "You say tamata, I say to-mah-to". Unless you're abandoning democracy? |
John the OFM  | 22 Jun 2025 5:03 p.m. PST |
Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution. "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;" Where does it say that he does not required assent from the Congress when it comes to instigating War? It says that he is in charge DURING WAR. Am I the only never can read? Tell me again that you have read the Constitution. Article One is quite explicit that Congress has the authority to declare War. We have lost at least 100,000 lives of our Armed Forces in undeclared wars. Back in 10th Grade (way back in the previous century) I remember reading how serious tavern debates were held about "internal improvements", and whether the Constitution allowed them. That was in the 1820s, by the way. When the American people actually cared about the constitution. I guess it was new then. 🤷 Now it seems to be as relevant as Martin Luther's 99 Theses. Or the Magna Carta. "Sure, I've heard of it, but…" |
John the OFM  | 22 Jun 2025 5:07 p.m. PST |
By the way, I seem to have stated that Trump has the authority to call up the California National Guard, which is of course how "the militia" is currently organized. So, neener neener neener to Gavin Newsome. 😄 I am, as you may have noticed, a stricter Constitutionalist than the Courts. Stop making 💩 up!!! |
79thPA  | 22 Jun 2025 5:17 p.m. PST |
It's not in the US Constitution. It is the War Powers Resolution of 1973. link
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John the OFM  | 22 Jun 2025 5:34 p.m. PST |
Interesting link. It was passed over the veto of Richard Nixon.
Since 1973, most presidents have ignored parts or all of the War Powers Resolution. Carry on. Basically many here, naming no names, seem to be arguing that the President can do what he damn well pleases. How many here, raise your hand please, believe that Trump will seek Congressional approval within the mandated 48 hours? Me? I doubt it, but would be pleasantly and cynically surprised if he did. |
jsmcc91 | 22 Jun 2025 6:46 p.m. PST |
Ochpin, The United States has not ever been or will be a Democracy unless the Constitution is voted null and void. By the way, this is not a war, so Congress does not need to be notified to declare anything before any action. Can't pick and choose which President gets to use the tools he has at his disposal. |
Nick Bowler | 22 Jun 2025 6:56 p.m. PST |
This thread is full of personal attacks and politics. TMP has become toxic. |
Bunkermeister | 22 Jun 2025 7:26 p.m. PST |
35thOVI +1 for all your comments. Legion 4 +1 The US is a constitutional republic, not a democracy. We cannot majority vote to take away certain rights simply by a majority being in favor of it. Big difference between that and democracy. I doubt there is a US president who has not bombed someone in the last 40 years without specific approval of the Congress. President Obama bombed 6 or 7 places. It is the nature of modern warfare that things move too quickly and Congress leaks too many secrets for effective prior permission. I also don't believe that using stand off weapons, the Navy or Marines in limited attacks constitute acts of war necessarily. The US, UK, France and others have intervened all over the world for 250 years, it is the nature of life. Iran has been dithering about for 30 years about their nuclear weapons program. They make agreements, don't keep them and then act surprised when Israel, or the US bomb them for failure to abide by what they agreed to. No one, even Iran would benefit from Iran getting nuclear weapons. As for some in Congress calling for an impeachment of President Trump, that's what you do when you can't argue the substance of his actions. Of course Trump changes his mind all the time. The world changes every day and Trump changes with it. He tells us about it because he practices transparency, and speaks and communicates with the American people more than any other president. Mike |
John the OFM  | 22 Jun 2025 7:37 p.m. PST |
By the way, this is not a war. Seriously? 😄 Isn't there a Humor Board somewhere here? Do you have a punchline? Define "war" please, and explain why this "incident" does not qualify. Israel and Iran certainly think it is. We can't just assume that we can jump in and say "Tag!" and jump away. Oh, right. Our motives are purer. To prevent someone else from joining the Nuclear Club. So, it's not a war. 🙄 |
Cuprum2 | 22 Jun 2025 7:54 p.m. PST |
Excellent overview of events: link |
John the OFM  | 22 Jun 2025 8:03 p.m. PST |
Oh! Trump and Vance say it's not a war. Phew. I'm so glad they set it straight. |
ochoin  | 22 Jun 2025 8:15 p.m. PST |
The US is both a democracy and a republic. Americans exercise their political power by voting in elections to choose representatives. That's representative democracy: not direct democracy, say like C5th BC Athenian demokratia. But it's still democracy. If you want to get fancy, in 2021, the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance (IDEA) classified the United States as a "backsliding democracy" for the first time. Split hairs all you like, it doesn't change the facts. I, personally, don't care either way. I don't bother arguing with Flat-earthers, either. |
Legion 4  | 22 Jun 2025 8:32 p.m. PST |
jsmcc91 +1 OVI +1 Buck +1
This thread is full of personal attacks and politics. TMP has become toxic. That appears to be somewhat true. However, IMO the important thing is a rabid islamic fundamentalist theocracy who supports islamic terrorism, and had a nuclear program, with 80% of its own population does not support this fanatical theocracy. They are like a punch-drunk boxer on their last leg. Staggering and straining to stay up. This is not over … but should be soon. One way or another. It will hasten its demise if Iran or any of their proxies' fire at/attack any US installations and/or personnel. etc. They have been warned before the US strikes and are being warned now. FWIW, being reported by many polls, up to 90% of the US approve of these strikes to ensure Iran gets no nukes. And it has been said many times today. No POTUS has ever gone to Congress to make a preemptive strike(s). To protect US personnel, assets, allies, etc. Most recently before these strikes, it was Obama and Biden[or whoever was running the WH at that time?]. The difference is who the POTUS is now verses Obama and Biden previously … That is political to say the least … |
TimePortal | 22 Jun 2025 9:26 p.m. PST |
Never considered Athens a democracy since the lower classes could not vote. I have not read any of the posts on the prior pages. So I do not know the back stories of discord. USA is a Federal Republic with a representative democracy. Any Political Science major can tell you that. Small minded single purpose rhetoric may call us something else but those are just ideological single purpose folks. We all have some of those as friends that we live with. |
Prince Alberts Revenge | 23 Jun 2025 3:00 a.m. PST |
Perhaps we will see "MIGA" hats and mental gymnastics in the near future: link |
35thOVI  | 23 Jun 2025 5:09 a.m. PST |
jsmcc91 +1 Legion +1 Buck +1 |