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Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2025 3:58 p.m. PST

When I find painted SYW miniatures for sale, they are generally based one of two ways:

  1. 1" wide x 1/2" deep
  2. 3/4" wide x 1" deep (or often 20mm wide x 25mm deep functional metric equivalent)
A decade ago I went with scheme 1 for my AWI collection, for a wide variety of reasons. Now I find myself opposed to it because it turns out to be really unstable and tippy, hard for human fingers to manage, and the weapons and arms and sometimes even feet of the figures are always sticking out into the space of other stands front-to-back, damaging the figures and making columns hard to manage.

I never liked scheme 2, because it seems weird to have stands deeper than they are wide. However, it's really common, probably because it's the Koenig Krieg standard. Also, it turns out I like the way it looks on the table with 18th C. miniatures that basically operate only in march column and single-stand line, as long as the units have 6+ stands. (3-4 stands looks bit too lean to my eye.)

When I started branching into the WAS/SYW era 2 years ago, my thought was to use 1" square bases (3 figures wide, 2 ranks deep). It's stable, easy to handle, looks amazing with units of 4-6 stands, and 1" frontage works for all arms (infantry, artillery, cavalry).

Now I'm reconsidering. I have quite a few miniatures painted and nicely based to the KK standard (option 2), and I'm sick of rebasing projects. I've also played a few games run by other people that used KK-based units with other systems, and it was no problem.

Tell me about your experience with KK basing. I don't play KK (and I'm not going to), so I have almost no experience using the basing in practice. What are the pros and cons that aren't obvious when you first start playing with it? What works? What doesn't?

- Ix

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2025 6:31 p.m. PST

Worked fine for me until I got out of 15mm. Depending on the level of representation, it can make battalions in line be deeper than is sometimes satisfactory. Note that it works nicely with any of the rules having regiments or brigades on a 3" frontage.

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2025 6:52 p.m. PST

The depth bothers me a little bit when the units are narrow (e.g. 3-4 stands), but only aesthetically. Once there are 6 stands, it's starting to look better. I like the look of 24-36 figure units in 2 ranks. (40-48 figure units look even better, but start to get unwieldy to play with…)

In terms of game mechanics a 1" deep stand is probably not enough depth to worry about at my usual ground scale of 25yd/inch. A following unit would be more than 25 yards behind anyway.

RittervonBek21 Jun 2025 3:07 a.m. PST

I've kept the KK basing for everything 1690-1900 and use the nominal metric size 20/40/60 for other rule sets using BW as the movement unit.

Royston Papworth21 Jun 2025 11:04 a.m. PST

Back in the ‘80s with my first rank and file troops I struggled to find a basing that worked, advancing or firing figures didn't fit on a 20x20 base.

I settled on 20x25 as the best base size to fit all poses.
TBH I think it looks good, no issues about depth vs width to me..

jwebster23 Jun 2025 9:43 a.m. PST

Napoleon's Battles use the 20x25 scheme. At least e of us have based to that in this area, so a de facto standard

I experimented with 20x12 that, with a sabot could be 40mm or 20mm frontage. More trouble than it was worth

John

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP23 Jun 2025 5:05 p.m. PST

Our new F & F troops are mounted on this size base. I have LOTS of old stuff on the 1" by 3/4" standard.

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2025 11:23 p.m. PST

F&F uses 1" wide by 3/4" deep. All my ACW and other 1853-1871 stuff is based this way.

KK (and NB) bases are 3/4" wide and 1" deep. This looks weird to me, unless there are a lot of stands (5-9).

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP24 Jun 2025 11:28 p.m. PST

Napoleon's Battles use the 20x25 scheme.
I totally forgot this about NB. Good point.

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