"Favorite Game Featuring Tanks? OGRE!" Topic

You were asked – TMP link

Favorite Game Featuring Tanks and/or Armored Cavalry?

And in the final round of voting:

24% said "none of these/no opinion"
23% said "Ogre/GEV"
14% said "Command Decision"

I thought at the time this was a very odd selection but supposed I was either missing something or had got hold of the wrong end of the stick. It refers to 'Game' and PanzerBlitz is one choice – I assume it refers to the 1970 Avalon Hill boardgame?
But other choices seem to be rule sets?
For games there is no mention of the excellent GMT Panzer series, the West End Games Tank Leader series, Compass Games Eastern Front Tank Leader, Lock 'N Load Tank on Tank Westfront, for modern tank warfare GMT's MBT series or for WW1 Clash of Arms Landships.

The poll was meant to cover games that use miniature tanks or can do so; Ogre is a prime example of the latter.
So if it's solely a chit-and-paper war game, it really doesn't fit.

I used to own the original Ogre. I played it to death with my brother when we were young.

Brunanburh, I think in the Age of Games Workshop the distinction between "games" and "rules" is fading out of the language, like that between "imply" and "infer." It's an excentricity of the older generation, like using figures and scenarios not sold by the people who wrote the rules.

For myself, I'd regard any board game of the OGRE/GEV or Panzerblitz sort--with variable OOB, board and possibly objective--as "rules" viable for miniature wargaming, though you'd often want a hex mat of some sort.

Did you nominate any of the ones you mention in the "pre-poll discussion?"

The original poll asked for "game" without specifying type of game. The original post included a list of games, including Rivets, which is a boardgame with counters.

Bill, thanks for the clarification. Robert, I play both board games and miniature games here in the UK. I have never, repeat never, heard any fellow gamer refer to a miniatures rule set as a game. Nor in many years of playing and talking about PanzerBlitz and reading comments and reviews on various wargames sites have I ever heard it referred to a rules set.

Dungeons and Dragins is a game – even though it is (or at least was – back when I played) a "rules set".

If I am playing a game using rules set x, I will say that I am "playing a game of x".

Going back to counter based wargames and TAHGC – Advanced Squad Leader is a "game", a "game system", and a "rules set".

I still play a 1984 miniature system called ‘Fire! Ogon! Freur, ‘. A fast playinG system with a ground scale of 1: 100, 1:50 or 1:25 yards can be used.

Ogre has a miniatures version called, predictably, 'Ogre Miniatures' – does that satisfy your criteria phobia ?

Metal Ogre minis have been around a long time (now long OOP and worth a fair bit) and plastics have replaced them. These were originally used on the playing boards but later in more 'free movement' games.