"Spider’s Web drone strike burns over 40 Russian warplanes" Topic

How goes the 3 day special operation?

"This whole attack is just an attempt to disrupt the negotiations under a plausible pretext. " You mean the Ukraine is daring not to surrender to the ruscum, whose sole demand is basically sovereignty over the Ukraine,

Tally Ho!

It doesn't matter what Ukraine is doing there. These are their personal problems.
In the following negotiations, they will be offered even less)))

Cuprum, Ukrainians are Russians? After Ukraine which "Also Russian" is next, then? Moldava, Latvia, Estonia or Lithuania? Perhaps Finland or Czechia?

Just as well Russia hung on to Russian Königsberg, I mean ethnically-cleansed Kaliningrad. It could help make repossessing the Baltic states a little easier.

I really never expected you to become a Putin sock-puppet.

Are Bavarians Germans? And Prussians? And Saxons? For me, they are all Germans. Germanic peoples.
It's exactly the same story with Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. In fact, they have much fewer differences in language and mentality.
I didn't say that the three Russian peoples cannot have three of their own sovereign states.
I don't understand what all the other peoples you listed, who are not even Slavs, have to do with it.

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Caprum, no Ukrainians are not russian. Listen to Putin and state tv. They are described as sub humans to be eliminated. Hence the terror attacks on civilian and kidnapping of children.

You watch some other Russian TV than I do.
Here is a recent festival of Ukrainian folk culture in Tyumen (Siberia). There are a lot of Ukrainians living in Siberia:

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The latest negotiations have exposed the myth of kidnapped children. Ukraine has submitted a wanted list of less than 400 children. These are simply the children that the Russians have taken out of the combat zone over the three years of war and are ready to give them to their parents at any moment.

You mean, in the gulags in Siberia.

I myself have lived in Siberia all my life. And I don't know a more beautiful place)))
The Gulag ceased to exist in 1959.

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Ukrainians in Siberia would be the descendants of those deported by Stalin. Then there's those recently deported there.

Plenty of evidence out there of the 41 aircraft damaged and destroyed. I'm sure the tyres saved many though.

The needle will tick over to one million russian casualties next week. That's a lot for a 3 day war that's going to plan.

No, Ukrainians in Siberia are mostly descendants of those who came here voluntarily. They didn't pay taxes here, they gave unlimited amounts of land to anyone who wanted it, there was never serfdom here, people were freed from forced conscription into the army. All people from Russia (including Ukraine) who wanted to live in minimal dependence on the authorities went here. Before the Bolshevik Revolution, more than a million Ukrainians voluntarily moved to Siberia and the Far East. In Soviet times, a huge number of people voluntarily went to earn money in Siberia to build hydroelectric power stations, factories, the Baikal-Amur Mainline, to extract minerals, to develop virgin lands. Because they paid three times more for this work than for work in Western Russia. Siberia is a territory of rich and independent people. Always. Indeed, released prisoners also made up a significant part of the settlers. Moreover, they had the right to return home after serving their sentence, but many decided to stay here to earn money.
All Ukrainians living here could leave for Ukraine at any time, but why? In my region there are entire Ukrainian villages and even cities where the predominant population is Ukrainian.
But in Ukraine such Ukrainians will not be welcome, because the overwhelming majority of them are pro-Russian and also consider themselves Russian. A triune people: Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians.

Why did the Russians lose so little? Write – two million. Maybe after that you will feel better?)))

Some updated reporting on the Ukrainian drone strike, with imagery of the aircraft hit on The War Zone today. Still more questions than answers. Link here: link

Still more questions than answers.

Yep -- looks like fewer than claimed, and at least some of the destroyed planes were parked and out of service – mothballed in place.

I have other questions, like why would NATO/EU use NATO assets to coordinate a deep strike on Russia's Nuclear Triad without the consent and authorization of the United States, the Senior Partner and Founding member of the alliance? What assets were used, and did any rogue elements within the US DOD/Intel or other agencies task US targeting, intel or support assets without POTUS authorization? If so, who were they and how do we hold them accountable?

Oh, and the old tires on the wings is not to combat drone targeting, but to weigh the plane's wings down and keep ailerons and flaps and other control surfaces from being damaged by high wind.

Nick +1

Oh yeah -- and you can thank Zelensky for single-handedly destroying nuclear arm control treaties. Most analysts are saying that these Russian bombers were exposed, as have been US bombers, because of the START nuclear arms treaty.

START missile treat exposed Russia's nuclear bombers to Ukrainian drone attack

The conditions of the START missile treaty signed between Russian President Vladimir Putin and former US President Joe Biden in January 2021 exposed Russia's strategic nuclear bomber fleet to the devastating Operation Spiderweb drone attack.

…The START Treaty, signed in 2010 and extended by Biden and Putin through to February 4, 2026, includes provisions for the verification of strategic offensive weapons, including heavy bombers equipped for nuclear armaments. The treaty mandates that these bombers be based at locations visible to national technical means of verification, such as satellite imagery, to allow monitoring by the other party, analyst report.

And even though suspended the Treaty, both the US and Russia have been abiding by the Treaty.

Can you imagine Russia ever again agreeing to a nuclear arms control treaty when the NATO/EU used that treaty to enable attacks on their bomber fleet?

Way to go!

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It's truly tragic that Ukraine, led by NATO/EU/Globalists is waging a PR of sensational attacks to give the impression of winning to maintain support and eschew peace, will ultimately collapse under the weight of Russian's slow and steady ground war…

…and y'all will be shocked and surprised and cast blame when Ukraine falls…

…to give the impression of winning…

Knocking out a significant portion of the Russian air force is more than an 'impression' of winning.

Remember that these aircraft are used to launch the missiles at Ukrainian infrastructure.

Oh, and the old tires on the wings is not to combat drone targeting, but to weigh the plane's wings down and keep ailerons and flaps and other control surfaces from being damaged by high wind.

Looks like they are being placed to protect the areas where fuel tanks are.

Ukraine (or rather Zelensky and his government, as well as their personal tame Satan – the Nazis) has only one hope to survive – to drag the West into the war, one way or another. And they will try to do this by any means possible. Some other NATO countries are also provoking an open conflict with Russia:

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Attempting to seize a ship in neutral waters is either piracy or an act of war.

Editor in Chief Bill This is not the first attack by the Ukrainians on Russian nuclear security systems. Last year, a missile launch detection radar was attacked that had nothing to do with the Russian-Ukrainian conflict. This is a direct attempt to provoke a nuclear conflict:

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The reason for wheels on aircraft bodies and wings has already been mentioned above – this increases the chances of deceiving machine vision. Although, it is probably not as relevant now as when this method began to be used.

Defending America or Inviting an Attack?

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Armand

I didn't say that the three Russian peoples cannot have three of their own sovereign states.
I don't understand what all the other peoples you listed, who are not even Slavs, have to do with it.

My mate's Ukrainian missus certainly believes she's not Russian, but Ukrainian. A different language and ethnicity. You told us there were already Russian 'Security' troops in Moldava. The Baltic States are very nervous. Finland was concerned enough to join NATO.

Sorry if yo didn't get my point. To put it plainly, which is the next country that Russia is likely to invade, and will the same reason (the population are actually Russian- a bit like the Chinese claim over Taiwan) be used to justify the invasion/s? Or will it be that the invaded country's government is full of Nazis, next time?

I have a large number of Ukrainian friends and acquaintances who live in Russia – and they think the exact opposite of your Ukrainian friend's wife. That's the whole problem, that Ukraine has been a country divided into two parts for several hundred years. One part gravitates toward the "West" (the part that once belonged to Poland and Austria), and the other part gravitates toward Russia. And these parts have already fought among themselves more than once in the past (participating in the wars of Russia and Poland). And each of these parts considers itself the "real Ukraine" and is not ready to submit to the other part. Ukraine is forever doomed to have centrifugal tendencies within itself, splitting the country. The only chance to save Ukraine is the creation of a federal neutral state. In 2014, such a "federal" (created on the basis of real legal elections throughout Ukraine) was overthrown by supporters of the "pro-Western" orientation of Ukraine. After this, a civil war and a new clash between Russia and "Poland" (now the West") became almost inevitable.

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The Baltic states are right to be nervous – in recent years they have deliberately created a lot of problems for Russia and are actively continuing to do so (see the video above). Someday such a provocation will get out of control…

Why does Russia need to seize other countries, please explain to me? Especially if in these countries citizens of Russian nationality are not in any way infringed in their civil rights compared to the rest of the population. And if they are infringed in these countries, then for what purpose?
It is pointless to deny the presence of Nazis in Ukraine, who enjoy the support of the Ukrainian government and are in the service of the Ukrainian state en masse and in an organized manner. I do not yet know of any other country where military divisions and brigades were formed from Nazis. And I do not understand why people in countries that already fought Nazism on the battlefield in World War II are now diligently looking away and not want to see it.

You know – I'm tired of having such fruitless discussions. Stick to your point of view – and I'll stick to mine. Nowadays, any information is freely available and the points of view of all sides can be studied without much

And each of these parts considers itself the "real Ukraine" and is not ready to submit to the other part.

So a lot like Yugoslavia, mate? An artificial country that's probably better off as two countries? I can understand that view, I think. I'll think about it.

You know – I'm tired of having such fruitless discussions. Stick to your point of view – and I'll stick to mine.

Fair enough. None of us really know and the gossip-mongers are too busy pushing their own agenda to give any accurate or unbiased news. The pity is that while all these "World Leaders" are playing politics real people are dying.

Just wanted to apologize for my comment above. I said glide bombs instead of cruise missiles.

Wrong ordinance the bombers were using.

Doug

Yes, Yugoslavia is a very good example. Only they had more different factions.
Look – these are maps where you can see the results of elections in Ukraine since independence. This split is visible everywhere and it is definitely not Russian propaganda. It is the result of Ukrainian history over many centuries:

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Now look at the map of the 15th century. These territories then belonged to the Crimean Khanate, a vassal of Turkey. And they were conquered by Russia from Turkey over the course of several centuries. There was almost nothing there – "wild steppe" where Tatars roamed. No cities, no large villages. These territories were populated by Russia during the process of conquest. That is why the population here considers itself Russian (although the settlement was often by people of different nationalities – not only Russians, but also Ukrainians, Greeks, Serbs, Moldovans and other, mainly Orthodox, peoples. These territories were called "Novorossiya", that is, "New Russia". It is not surprising that the local population gravitates towards Russia.

Interesting how the presentation of data can distort the conclusion. Lies, damn lies and statistics. A chart with the range of 0-80% rather than 0-100% really distorts the appearance. If you only shaded everything over 50%, rather than have darker colors for everything over 40% it would give a very different view of things.

Follow the link and take a look. On this site you will find the results of the elections in your country… And in all the others.
These are just diagrams of the official results. It is very easy to check.

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Wikipedia article on the 2010 Ukrainian elections. Compare…

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Going back to the topic we now how more video confirmed losses:

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Together: 8 Tu-95MS, 7-10 Tu-22M-3, 2 A-50s, 1 An-12.

In a war of attrition – which is what this conflict meanwhile is – crucial is to knock out items the enemy cannot replace, or has major problems with replacing. The Russians can't replace any of these aircraft: they are not in production for 25 years (or longer). In the case of A-50s, they cannot even overhaul and repair, while in the case of Tu-95MS this costs them lots of time and lots of money. The Russian aviation industry was struggling with the lack of skilled workforce already before the invasion on Ukraine: ever since, it is experiencing constantly increasing problems with importing Western high-tech necessary for their avionics and weapons (so much so: the A-100 – the project for an upgrade of A-50s – was cancelled for the lack of the same, while the Su-57 is ‘heading nowhere').

From that point of view, the strikes on Tu-22M-3s were ‘nice' (about 30% of bombers known as ‘operated as of 2022-2023' were knocked out, but they've been largely inactive for over a year), and those on the two A-50s were ‘entirely pointless' (both were non-operational ‘for decades').

However, the strikes on Tu-95MS have mauled the Russian strategic bomber fleet. They not only destroyed about 50% of ‘regularly operational'- but also between 70% and 100% of ‘fully mission capable' aircraft. They also destroyed approximately ‘monthly production worth' in Kh-101 missiles.

Big win for good guys. Only airframes used in war were attacked (f.e.x no Tu-160 was attacked).

Fairly objectively, in my opinion. And we will be able to evaluate it soon. I think a demonstrative counterattack will be in the near future.

Caprum, yes I am sure there will be a counter strike. But will it be strategic or just more attacks on cities?

If the Ukrainian attack accomplished nothing else, it has made the Russians more paranoid of everything behind the lines, which will tie down resources.

Does not really matter in the long run, because there will just be more by both sides after these anyway. 😔

There is the ongoing discussion of whether Strategic Nuclear assets are a legitimate target and whether targeting them is a sensible thing to do.

If you are using strategic nuclear bombers in a tactical role to fire cruise missiles and other ordinance, then they definitely become a legitimate target. A country has every right to target assets actively being used against it.

A country has every right to target assets actively being used against it.

But Ukraine did not know what they were and where they were -- NATO did. NATO has access to all of the targeting info, including where there are lightly defensed Russian bomber bases comporting to the open skies type provisions still being honored by the US and Russia. NATO did this -- NATO provided the intel, the targeting and coordination. This was not a "plucky defenders" thing.

I would like to know to what extent did the Democrats and Establishment Republicans (like Graham) know about this or help provide US intel assets? Were there rogue actors in CIA, State, NSA or DOD who helped coordinate this attack? If so, they deserve long jail times.

Hey, question for the Pro-War folks here -- mostly all of y'all at this point.

If NATO and the EU and the Democrats ae successful at dragging the US into a direct kinetic war with Russia -- who wins?

Who wins?
Who dies?
How many die?
What's left?
Do you have glow in the dark dice to illuminate your survival camp at night?
Do you have real guns, or will you throw lead soldiers at raiders and robbers?

I don't think the US knew anything about this at all. At the moment I don't think that other Nato countries are sure about OPSEC with the US.
Many in the US (including several in this forum) are saying that Europe needs to be responsible for Europe and not get the US involved. I believe that this is a case of European allies doing just that. It s a case of you can't have your cake and eat it.

Also I am not convinced that targeting data was provided by an outside source. The airfields with Russian strategic assets are will known. It is quite easy to pull up outside and use FPV drones to hit whatever you find there.

I don't think the US knew anything about this at all. At the moment I don't think that other Nato countries are sure about OPSEC with the US.

Yes, because if we had we would have said, "Are you MENTAL, attacking Russian strategic nuclear bomber bases, escalating the war and killing all future arms deals??!?"

What ever happened to the Left's love of Nuclear Arms Control? Guess they hate Russia and Trump more than they hate Nuclear War…

Many in the US (including several in this forum) are saying that Europe needs to be responsible for Europe and not get the US involved. I believe that this is a case of European allies doing just that. It s a case of you can't have your cake and eat it.

The US shares operational control over NATO assets. We are a senior partner. In more sane days, no op of this nature would have been conducted without high level consultation and agreement with the US. But NATO and the EU want war war war, and knew the US would not agree. So they violated trust, they used joint defense assets for a strategic attack.

NATO is dead, we should leave before their zombie corpse pulls us down.

A) I don't believe targeting data was provided by NATO.
B) You can't use strategic assets as tactical assets to kill the enemy and then magically claim they are protected strategic assets.
C) Its a little rich to say that the US is not going to stand by its commitments as part of the NATO alliance and then on the other hand claim that you are the senior partner in NATO and everything must be run through the US.
You can't promote isolationism and then complain that you are isolated.

There are commercial satellites which (for a fee) can be tasked to photograph anything you might be interested in. There is a You Tube channel which does this periodically so he can count the tanks remaining in Russian storage depots. No need for NATO, get your pics and confirm the bases are still active.

Does anybody remember the mystery drones which were flying around U.S. military bases in New England last fall? Caused quite an uproar in the Press and then suddenly stopped. I have to wonder now if they weren't some sort of training or proof of concept for Spider Web given what we know now.

Inch High – now that's an interesting thought on the drones over US bases.

Yes there is a concern that enemy aliens here in the US can use drones on our bases, etc. As Ukraine did no Putin. Some foreign nationals, mostly CCP have been buying land near US bases. IIRC the new POTUS is trying to fix this. Another up by the last admin. Drones are the new deadly weapons on the battlefield.

Another point is Putin lost Syria plus Sweden and Finland joined NATO. Besides the huge losses under Putin very little ground was gained. Hey, Vlad you ed up. Big time …

The US is wanting NATO to pay 5% total GDP instead if 2%. Germany and Poland are on board, and few more so far. Many in NATO have seen the threat Putin's Russia has proven to be to NATO/Europe… again.

Another consequence of Putin's attempt at the land grab of the Ukraine. 2% vs. 5% that is more than double. Again, good plan Vlad, you …

And now the US has captured two agents of the CCP at a US university

Page 47 of the 1st Trump Administration National Security Strategy:
Although the menace of Soviet communism is
gone, new threats test our will. Russia is using
subversive measures to weaken the credibility of America's commitment to Europe, undermine transatlantic unity, and weaken European
institutions and governments. With its invasions of Georgia and Ukraine, Russia demonstrated its willingness to violate the sovereignty
of states in the region. Russia continues to intimidate its neighbors with threatening behavior,
such as nuclear posturing and the forward deployment of offensive capabilities.

B) Its a little rich to say that the US is not going to stand by its commitments as part of the NATO alliance and then on the other hand claim that you are the senior partner in NATO and everything must be run through the US.

The US HAS stood by its commitments to NATO, as most NATO countries HAVE NOT fulfilled their commitments. And since when did NATO become an OFFENSIVE Alliance?

Is Ukraine a NATO member? NO. While it may be in the interests of countries in NATO to support Ukraine, that's a far cry from NATO officially picking sides and using NATO assets directly. Which is what they did with this attack.

You can speculate about commercial map images -- but can you get a commercial map that describes Russian nuclear bomber bases, and what planes are there, what defenses they have? Nope. This kind of data comes from national level intel resources, not from Planet Labs or Google Earth.

You can't promote isolationism and then complain that you are isolated.

We haven't promoted isolationism, we've promoted RATIONAL engagement to ensure the security and strategic needs of the US are met via policy and action. And that doesn't include escalating a local war that should have been stopped in March 2022 but for the interference of NATO, Biden and the EU, which has already consumed at least 1.4 MILLION CASUALTIES and TRILLIONS of dollars, made the world more unstable and dangerous and has killed tens and tens of thousands via war-caused famine in East Africa.

35thOVI, Russia does not attack cities. Russia attacks factories, power plants, transport hubs, buildings where temporary deployment points of military personnel and other security agencies of Ukraine are located (for example, a meeting of officers for meetings and awards). That is, legitimate military targets. According to Ukraine, they shoot down or jam 70-90% of Russian drones and missiles. These shot down missiles and drones fall somewhere …. Just like faulty air defense missiles fall (we all know that the Ukrainians are massively using long-expired Soviet ammunition collected from all over the world).

Legion 4, it was not Putin who lost Syria – it was the jihadists and Turkey who acquired it. Look at what Israel is doing – it is destroying Soviet and Russian weapons in Syria, which went to the new Syrian government. Israel is waiting for an attack from the new jihadist state. Which, by the way, indirectly helps Russia. Otherwise, these weapons could have been bought by Europeans and sent to Ukraine. There is still a lot of Russian-style equipment and ammunition there. By the way, Russian bases remain in Syria under the new government. They are active.
Putin is not trying to conquer Ukraine. He is trying to make it safe for Russia…

Well not long to wait…

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This doesn't look like anything out of the ordinary.
I would expect some special targets. For example, the government quarter in Kyiv, bridges across the Dnieper, Beskydy Tunnel…
Or there will be nothing. Russia has been advancing continuously for over a year, and Ukraine is losing its ability to resist… The outcome is clear, all Ukraine can do is to prolong the fighting for some time, hoping for a miracle.

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"Russia does not attack cities…."

How is it possible to even think of talking to people who say this?…

Armand

"The Baltic states are right to be nervous – in recent years they have deliberately created a lot of problems for Russia and are actively continuing to do so (see the video above). Someday such a provocation will get out of control…"

This is pretty well the same reason another nazi dictator gave when invading countries and starting WW2. Of course by "problems" you mean they do not want to be part of spew tins new USSR,

Tally Ho!

But Ukraine did not know what they were and where they were -- NATO did"

SB minis guy, it is easy to get hold of CSI of anywhere in the world, stick to playing toy soldiers your anti Ukraine attitude clouds your thinking,

Tally Ho!

Tango01, you have every right not to talk to me. I will not be upset.

nickinsomerset, nobody needs these poor countries. Let the Europeans support them with their own money))) But they must understand that attempts to seize ships under Russian protection will end badly for them. As well as attempts to block Russian shipping in the Baltic Sea or attempts to blockade Kaliningrad. And it won't be possible to hide behind the backs of other NATO countries while doing these dirty tricks.

Trump's comment to support and justify the Russians was that if the rapist is allowed to rape again, then suddenly the raped person will stop resisting, stop the "fight" and accept the situation.

This has been Trump's position from the beginning, that if the raped person resists the rapist, then we will force him to surrender because he has no cards.

SBminisguy says the same thing, that if the rapist gets slapped on the ear and needs a few moments to breathe to continue raping, then it is a big victory for the raped person and he must humbly endure the rape in the future.

Lots of "kompromat" in the United States it seems.

Cuprum: "But they must understand that attempts to seize ships under Russian protection will end badly for them."

Poor Danes, now in addition to Trump, the Russians are also going to threaten them, because the Danes closed their straits to the criminal shadow fleet of Russian terrorists.

Criminal? And what international body decided this? Any pirate will receive an appropriate response according to the current international maritime law… Houthis, Estonians, Somalis… All to the bottom)))

But Ukraine did not know what they were and where they were -- NATO did"

SB minis guy, it is easy to get hold of CSI of anywhere in the world, stick to playing toy soldiers your anti Ukraine attitude clouds your thinking,

Is it now? Can you provide me a public source or commercial link listing Russian Strategic Bomber bases, how many planes, where they are parked, and what their local ground and Drone/AA security is?