Help support TMP


"Do you like your rules friendly?" Topic


10 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

Remember that you can Stifle members so that you don't have to read their posts.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the ACW Discussion Message Board


Areas of Interest

American Civil War

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Link


Featured Ruleset


Featured Showcase Article

1:600 USRC Reliance

A useful little ship from the Potomac Flotilla.


Featured Profile Article

Battle Cry in Miniature

A Civil War boardgame is adapted to miniature wargaming.


Featured Book Review


522 hits since 5 May 2025
©1994-2025 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

gamer1 Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2025 7:43 a.m. PST

Guys quick question and this is strickly a preference one. When reading a rule set do you like the designer to include "personality" a few comments here and there "Side X wins the fight, obviously they got lucky this time". OR do you prefer your rules cut and dry, straight forward, save any comments for the designer notes?? I have seen them both ways and was just curious if one style seemed to be preferred over the other?? Thanks, happy gaming!!

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2025 7:50 a.m. PST

Easy Reading

With commentary saved for designer notes
Examples could be given there to help player with period tactics or how the rules work to your best advantage

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2025 8:59 a.m. PST

I think you can hold the comments for the end. I also would not want a lucky shot or die roll to be my only example of something.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP05 May 2025 9:37 a.m. PST

A little personality helps keep my attention but too much (looking at you 40k/Flames of War 3rd) gets in the way.

I prefer designer's notes in the appropriate chapter but in a text box or separate section. I find they can help me parse rules questions if I have some clue to intent or design philosophy.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2025 9:54 a.m. PST

If your rules are part of a book, the Peter Grant style is admirable. But there really isn't room for that sort of thing in my preferred 2-4 pages, and even at the 24-32 page level, it still belongs under "Designer Notes" and not cluttering up the main body while I search for how to form square.

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2025 10:06 a.m. PST

Don't care for the personality. Just the rules please.

gamer1 Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2025 11:44 a.m. PST

Thanks for the input, sounds like designer notes at the end is the way to go!! Is it Sgt Friday that would say "just the facts mam"? BTW My goal is for the rule book to be around what you would expect for a game of its size and detail 36 pages give or take a few, depending on example illustrations, etc.

Personal logo Dye4minis Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2025 1:33 p.m. PST

In my rules I am finally putting to words, I will have a separate section of numbered designer's notes with an annotation in the rules that corresponds to the designer notes section that explains the whys in detail. The introduction will explain the goals and how by value sets exist, how to use them for the game as they put real life factors into the game (more of a simulation) but how the mechanics make it a fast moving game and will be offered an example of how a simulation can also be a fun game that challenges the players to deal with challenges and decision making their real life counterparts had to deal with. In playtests (using ACW as the period), with one corps per side, a typical games have taken 10 turns and a definite conclusion arrived at about three and a half hours of real time. Less time to play a game? Simply use fewer units. (Like most games.) When I started out, I had more designer notes than rules! While I perceived a need to explain those real life factors and how they can be integrated into the rules, I felt breaking them up and injecting them where appropriate was a better approach. Since concept may need insight as to why the mechanics are the way they are additional insight may need further explanation, best to deal with the particulars when encountered rather than shotgun them in the beginning. Let's get to the pushing of lead quickly! By the way, NO CHARTS ARE NEEDED TO PLAY THE GAME ONCE TROOPS ARE PLACED ON THE TABLE! (EXCEPT for a business sized card showing weapons ranges.) Miniature units are all the same size with variations taken into effect in their ratings in pre-game prep. Unit are placed on the table as a unit and are removed as a unit! NO book keeping is involved in playing the game. "Cohesion: It's the Name of the Game" is the working title. Since the basic rules work for all periods (up to WWI so far), only those factors that that would be period specific need to change. Nice reading what people look for in how how rules are presented, here. Thanks for your comments.

gamer1 Supporting Member of TMP06 May 2025 7:00 a.m. PST

Thanks for the info, all is very helpful. Yes I have way more designer notes then I think I will end up using and folks would want to read. After the feed back I plan to have them at the end and probably have the number section they refer to. Happy gaming everyone!!!!

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP06 May 2025 1:17 p.m. PST

I think one reason designer notes evolved is because designers were sensitive to criticisms and began to anticipate it. So they began explaining why they did certain things.

The guy who has done this the best, IMO, is Neil Thomas. He is a good clear writer, to the point, his rules are simple but very adaptable.

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.