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Jae Nopatronymic07 Apr 2025 6:01 a.m. PST

Hi. Anyone got any info as to uniform & facing colours of these troops especially in 1745? Cheers!

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP07 Apr 2025 8:51 a.m. PST

A country of origin would be helpful.

Jim

Lilian07 Apr 2025 5:41 p.m. PST

British Army for me

but in 1745…more datas will be welcome

it was the primitive title for Engineers Corps manpower (the term existed as specialists within Artillery companies) because the Corps of Engineers in many States/Armies of that time were only a staff of officers while the Engineer units with soldiers such as sappers miners pioneers didn't exist really or only at wartime or within Corps of Artillery depending of the country and period, even they can be just ad hoc manpower gathering infantrymen or civilian and peasants under Engineer commands for roads bridges and trenches…

actually 1717 is the creation of the Corps of Engineers (officers) but the company of 'Artificers' was not raised before 1772 in Gibraltar, then the Corps of Military Artificers became Royal Sappers and Miners in 1812

despite they didn't seem to appear in the History of the Corps however I found at least 2 companies of 'Artificers' before 1772 in New England for both sieges of Louisbourg in New France
one in 1745 (Captains Bernard and Daniel Hills)
another c.1757-1758 (100 men under Colonel Nathaniel Meserves in Long Island in march 1757) but their status and uniform are unclear when I read the following text :
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Provincial Papers Documents and Records relating to
Province of New Hampshire

Governor's message
Gentlemen of the Council & of the Assembly,

The uniform Cloathing in a Regiment is almost as necessary as uniformity in discipline as it distinguishes the troops from common laborers & artificers, and may be a means in some measure to prevent desertions, & if a method can be agreed upon, to effect a thing so expedient for the service, it will be agreeable to the Earl of Loudoun that such a provision should be made.
B. WENTWORTH.
Council Chamber in Portsmouth, March 10, 1757.

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end of the 18th century
Officer 1787 blue with black distinctive


Lilian07 Apr 2025 7:23 p.m. PST

one in 1745 (Captains Bernard and Daniel Hills)
another c.1757-1758 (100 men under Colonel Nathaniel Meserves in Long Island in march 1757)

Colonel Georges Washington's column in october 1758 had also 2 "companies of Artificers" under his command

Jae Nopatronymic08 Apr 2025 5:23 a.m. PST

Sorry about lack of country of origin – the '45 might've placed it but…

Lilian, I had seen the dark blue uniforms but they looked black to me & I thought they may be later than my Hanoverians in mid C18th
I was hoping for a neutral blue so I could use them as either side but I'll paint up the men doing the actual work in shirtsleeves or bare chested whiile the Officer & a small group of redcoats in reserve guard over them as you say, they would all have been detached from various duties for the sort of work undertaken at this time.

Thanks

Lilian08 Apr 2025 6:26 a.m. PST

the wikipedia page has more pictures but…

link

the Soldier Artificer Company was a unit of the British Army raised in Gibraltar in 1772 to work on improving the fortifications there. It was the Army's first unit of military artificers and labourers – the existing Corps of Engineers was entirely made up of commissioned officers – and it replaced the traditional but unreliable practice of employing civilian craftsmen

hum…still ignoring my previous wartime companies before 1772, with unclear status at least in New England in 1745 and 1757-1758 and maybe others who knows

I could not say it better, concerning Engineers Sappers Miners & Artificers units, it is a topic "to dig"

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