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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP27 Mar 2025 8:05 a.m. PST

Subject: Citizen Free Press on X: "HYUNDAI WILL USE BD ROBOTS AT NEW GEORGIA MANUFACTURING PLANT. HYUNDAI OWNS 90% OF BOSTON DYNAMICS. Video is interesting, it's the future of manufacturing. t.co/C0DQDsG4Wh / X

I thought it was Interesting, since I know they are being modified for combat as well.

link

Grelber27 Mar 2025 12:20 p.m. PST

Interesting! They are using the dog-like robots for quality control.

Grelber

Hitman27 Mar 2025 7:32 p.m. PST

Skynet is coming and it's starting in the USA just like the movies!!

doubleones28 Mar 2025 3:53 a.m. PST

That plant is pretty amazing. I was out there a few weeks ago and got to walk along the assembly area on my way to the IT office. It's a LOT of square footage and very very people. One could easily imagine Robo Rally becoming a thing out there in the evenings… link

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse28 Mar 2025 2:43 p.m. PST

I think it reasonable to suggest many/all blue collar jobs will go in the near future?

The political ramifications of this are enormous.

Mark J Wilson29 Mar 2025 9:44 a.m. PST

"I think it reasonable to suggest many/all blue collar jobs will go in the near future?

The political ramifications of this are enormous."

Not if the Donald shuts them down! They're not American, they're clearly not a vote winner, so they gotta go!

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse29 Mar 2025 1:33 p.m. PST

That would put the US in the dust bin of history as every other nation (China anyone?) turns to a robotic workforce.

You can't compete with technology.

Incidentally, when I bought my last car, I was given a link so I could watch the robot assembly line in Gunma do its thing. No people involved. So, not new but definitely growing.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Mar 2025 7:12 a.m. PST

I think it reasonable to suggest many/all blue collar jobs will go in the near future?

That's what the Luddites said. They were generally correct, within the scope of their concernt (all is a very big concept), but there were some subtleties that this doesn't address.

Automation generally widens the gap between high and low skill "blue collar" jobs. It also redefines what a blue and white collar job is.

Automation still requires basic maintenance and logistics, and creates a need for advanced maintenance and logistics.

The number of basic maintenance and logistic jobs increases. These feel like "downgrades" to people in middle and upper blue collar jobs.

Advanced maintenance and logistics (as opposed to the white collar technical maintenance jobs) are few and require more qualifications. They accept some, but are not available to most middle and upper blue collar jobs.

The best easy example for transformation is insurace data entry jobs. In the classical sense, filling out forms in an office (even a home office) environment is a while collar job. However, these jobs are done in a production line manner, with strict controls on performance, and are adjudicated by raw throughput against error rate.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse31 Mar 2025 2:24 a.m. PST

Possibly but you ignore the next leap forward, where machines cover maintenance & logistics.

You need to lift your sights a little from tomorrow to next month.

Mark J Wilson01 Apr 2025 8:59 a.m. PST

There will come a point where the only people involved are those who program the machines, which is not a blue collar job.

UshCha01 Apr 2025 10:08 a.m. PST

I've got a Robot lawnmower this week. It costs no jobs as I used to do it but find it difficult to do now. No installation it recogniswes the boundary of the lawn. Not all robots are bad for society. The robot is here to stay and its not all bad.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse01 Apr 2025 5:39 p.m. PST

@ Mark J Wilson
Could you stop posting sensible and sane posts or you'll be asked to leave the site! And don't think I haven't noticed you expressing yourself clearly & succinctly!!

Well, it does cost jobs, UshCha. Other people do hire landscape & garden maintenance people to cut their lawn.

Otherwise, I agree wholeheartedly with your last two sentences. You ride the future. Trying to stop change is bootless.

Mark J Wilson05 Apr 2025 6:27 a.m. PST

@ Ochoin
If only you knew, if only…………….

Andy Skinner Supporting Member of TMP08 Apr 2025 12:08 p.m. PST

I would think there would be a limit because the robots won't be buying the products. There may be some ultra rich in charge of everything. Will they sell to each other? What would they want in quantity that required robot manufacturing?

Mark J Wilson09 Apr 2025 10:11 a.m. PST

Andy,
We, i.e. the hoi poloi will be buying the products with our government universal basic income [the idea will drive The Donald nuts but the alternative is luddite revolution].

The H Man15 Apr 2025 1:40 a.m. PST

Basic income is a sham.

Give everyone $100. USD

$100 USD is the new $0. USD

If everyone has $100 USD, every shop will raise its prices.

Also.

A coffee shop replaces staff with robots.

Staff open new coffee shop.

Which would most people prefer to go to, once the nevelty wore off?

It's only really big manufacturing that's going to make a dent with robots…

Until it's added to DEI.

Must have 50% humans.

The H Man15 Apr 2025 3:16 p.m. PST

Another thought.

Human bodies are a good jack of all trades master of none.

The most efficient, particularly, factory robots don't look human.

Amazon's robots that move around a flat floor and move racks of goods is one example. They can't pack boxes or label them, but they are the beast at moving racks.

A truly efficient factory will be designed around tasks and it's robots will too.

They won't be designed around humans.

You don't have to be human to pack a box, for example.

Biscuit factories don't have rows of humanoid robots with cookie cutters, they have a dedicated machine to cut them out.

Humanoid robots in factories have little use, except in low volume or frequently changing, or trial environments.

It will be a fad for the most part.

Factory owners/designers will quickly change them to dedicated robots for each task, where there is enough frequent use.

Why use a $20,000 USD humanoid to do a simple task a dedicated robot can do for far less money.

For example a robot packing a box at a stationary conveyer doesn't need legs. Yet a humanoid has them. So it's more to go wrong with, wear out, malfunction, extra initial cost, so on.

PS

Yes, Amazon has a humanoid robot, like everyone else.

The owner also mentioned losing billions on ideas that haven't worked out.

They have it moving stuff from one side of a small room to the other.

A robotic arm hanging from the ceiling or mounted on the floor would be cheaper and more efficient.

Could probably move faster too.

I think it's more marketing then anything else.

PPS

I see a spike in crime as many low end jobs are suddenly gone.

Think fruit picking, cleaning, retail.

Much cheaper to replace staff with a robot. They will pay for themselves within a year or so.

Again the staff won't just sit around.

If not crime, they will just start human businesses that will likely beat the robot competition, once the novelty wears off for consumers in about two weeks.

The H Man16 Apr 2025 4:29 p.m. PST

One company has a robot with a wheel/s instead of legs.

This allows it to have heavier motors and such and carry more weight and have more strength and precision. And less complexity to go wrong with.

On flat factory floors this makes perfect sense.

Though a "Minecraft" style factory made of modular Lego cubes is far more logical.

A car is not as tall as a human, so why is the factory space?

Factories should be a fraction of their current size with good design, especially with fancy ai tomfoolery to help design them.

Perhaps there is use for humanoid robots in helping old ladies cross roads?

PS

Think the Borg cubes, at least their exterior appearance.

A tightly packed, hyper designed, accumulation of precision with seemingly no door or logical way to enter.

That is what a factory of the future will look like.

Not a humanoid robot in sight.

Heck, the cars will just drive themselves out a car sized hole in the side.

Materials probably fed in by piping underground.

Ample space for pannels on top.

No lights inside wasting power either.

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