"Houthi War Plans Security Breach" Topic

As a side, I am beginning to believe, from news feeds, that those B2's in Diego Garcia, may be there for Iraq's nuke sites. If negotiating fails.

AFAIK that may be the plan. A joint mission with the IDF AF. The B2s can pack special munitions to penetrate the Iran's deep bunkers and take out their Nukes, etc.

The IDF does not have those for whatever reasons. Maybe they don't have the airframes to carry them? Regardless the IDF & US air assets fly SEADS & CAP. The B2s take care of the nukes. May be able to get all if not most of them in one big operation.

Of course things would have been a lot easier if Biden et al didn't give Iran $60 USD Billion. But we have talked about this before. Again, as more time goes on many are coming out Biden was an empty suit. He was not in charge, etc. Maybe Blinken, Sullivan, etc. should be up on charges of aiding and abetting the enemy.

No. The Executive has control over the Federal Agencies

The District Judge who tried to call back the USAF aircraft full of illegal alien criminals. From going to a high security prison in El Salvador has no power to do that … period.

This thread was entirely predictable.
The Usual Suspects blamed their usual villains. And vice versa.
No minds were changed in either direction.
I hope no freeborn natural American citizens will be deported for incorrect thoughts.

Yes John as I said, I am biased and am aware of it. There is no way in Hell, I'll ever change my mind about total Cluster/Rat screw/goat rope/train wreck/etc. the Biden admin, the Dems and media that supported was.

They did more damage to the USA than any enemy nation could or would do.

And no John this is not 1984 … The only ones deported were illegal alien criminal. Reports are a few, very that were sent to the Salvo's prison. May actually be innocent. Those cases few minor cases will have to be worked out. Of course talk to a LEO or watch Law & Order, they all say they are innocent.

Also note many more after the J6 riot were arrested then jailed and they were not there or did nothing illegal, etc. But most did 3-4 years anyway. And let there be not doubt many that ended up in jail deserved to be there.

Of course if the member of Congress who was in charge of the defense of the Capital had done her job. Listened to Trump, etc. and send in the NG before this riot happened. This would not have happened.

Her own daughter taped her on a cell. Where much later she admitted it was her fault for not allowing the NG to be deployed days before the riot happened. That is fact …

Also the NG needs about 3 days to start to deploy. The only troops that could have got there much sooner would be the US Army Old Guard and the USMC from their barracks, etc. in DC. Or the 82d drops in and/or the 101 flies in on choppers.
BTW the 101 was trained for riot control duty when I was there, '80-'83. My Rifle Plt practiced this when it was our Bn's turn in the cycle. I'm the 82d had units trained to do similar.

Pelosi really ed up and should have been put out to pasture long ago. And as we see many in Congress don't do what was good for, we the people … but their own party.

The District Judge who tried to call back the USAF aircraft full of illegal alien criminals. From going to a high security prison in El Salvador has no power to do that … period.

How were those … passengers… determined to be "illegal aliens"?
Did a court determine that? Or did a bureaucrat? One of Musk's Whiz Kids?
I have no problem with Bad Guys being shipped off to durance vile in some banana republic whose current President for Life is a friend of the President.
What I do have a problem with is the "Round up the Usual Suspects" attitude.
A trial to determine guilt would be nice.

We have had anywhere between 10 to 20 million illegals invade the U.S. since 2020. If we have trails for each one, or even hearings, we would be dead long before the last one of them ever saw a courtroom. He#l they would probably be dead too. 😂

How many years out were they giving the ones they actually stopped, to show up for a hearing?

We don't have the judges and it would back the courts up until He#l freezes over.

Seriously think about it.

That is what those who wanted the illegals here, want to happen. Stall this all out until they can give them the vote. Deaths, robberies and rapes of US citizens, are just needful collateral damage. All for the greater good, of course. 🙄

Your post is one of the most appalling things I've ever read.
Go ahead, treat people as anonymous numbers & not as individuals.
I'm sure you can sympathise with this policy:
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ochoin, why do you go so far for examples?

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Yes, better to round up and deport without a trial. They might actually rape someone!
Does being a Mexican or Guatemalan immigrant make them more prone to rape than a native born White citizen?

The hell with due process and civil rights! As you said, we don't have enough judges. So, why bother with legal niceties.
Particularly those college students who have the wrong opinions!

In my totalitarian view, people who have arrived illegally on the territory of another state have already broken the law and are criminals. All that needs to be proven is that they do not have permits for the legal right to stay in the country. No officially issued documents – no need for a court for deportation… Is this illogical? Of course, I am not familiar with your internal laws, but in Russia this is the case.

@Ochoin, yes the rest of the world have been such sterling examples. 😂

Let's just take one nation.

"Yes, during the Second Boer War (1899-1902), the British forcibly relocated over 100,000 Boer civilians, mostly women and children, into concentration camps, where many died from starvation and disease."

"Yes, the British government often punished Irish people without due process, particularly through the implementation of "Penal Laws" and other discriminatory practices, which aimed to suppress Irish Catholicism and culture"

Rocks and glass old boy.

I'm sure the Administration would love to send them to your country. That would be where?

Just the tip of the old iceberg and only examples from one country. So come down from Mount Sinai, you are not Moses. 😉

@John

How long, based on the evidence we have had from 2020 onwards, would even a hearing take? Please take your time and research it on the web. The backlog for the ones already here, hearings was already years in the future.

Would you personally be willing to take some of those shipped to El Salvador, into your home and pay for their up keep? Would any of you who want due process for those who broke the law to come here illegally? Not only that, most so far broke 1 to many laws once here.

Would you be willing to tell the families of those who WERE raped or murdered the same thing? I doubt it. But if you would, get me your phone and address, and I will do my dam#est to make sure the families get it.

@Caprum yes, with 10 to 20 million, I see no logical means to give those who are here who have not been lawfully granted asylum, due process. Right now they are criminals (broke the law to come here illegally). They also are costing astronomical taxpayers money.

We have a legal process to come here. They could use that, but they chose to break the law. I'm all for legal immigration, so is everyone I know. Even expanding it. But we hate the invasion that was allowed by the previous administration and some others.

I am obviously not the law, nor are those who oppose what I write. So am waiting on the Supreme Court to get off their AS#ES and do their jobs!

You defend the inexcusable by finding other examples? You *do* realise how pathetic a defence that is?

Yes, I am not Moses.I hesitate to identify you.

"In my work with the defendants [at Nuremberg], I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It's the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men." — Captain Gustave Gilbert, the US army psychologist assigned to observe the Nazi defendants at the Nuremberg trials.

You are clearly NOT Captain Gilbert.

Please… show your compassion for them and take them in.

The MS 13 and Tren de Aragua will show you their thanks personally, I'm sure.😉

You are just tripping all over your logical fallacies here, bro.
They're guilty because you say they are. Or, because an "elected official" says they are.
"I am obviously not the law."
Strange. I thought that America was a nation of laws.
I'm not going to deny that "illegal aliens" have broken the law. You keep asking what "my solution" is. Yours seems to be to round up anyone who looks suspicious, put them in camps, and ship them to a dictator with horrible prisons.
AND ALL WITHOUT EVEN ANY SEMBLANCE OF A TRIAL.

Watching people bitch about the Biden administration is like watching the condemnation of the Weimar Republic. Go look it up. It might be instructive.

Anyone who enters the country illegal is breaking the law. Period. They can be deported at will.

SB +1

I did notice no volunteers of address or phone numbers. How about a nice unfenced holding facility within a mile of your home where they can await trail? Donations to pay their upkeep as well?

I did notice no volunteers of address or phone numbers.

Yep. Remember what happened when Florida sent ONE busload of illegal immigrants to Sanctuary City Martha's Vineyard? The compassionate people of Martha's Vineyard had them detained by the LOCAL NATIONAL GUARD and deported in less than 24 hours!

Anyone who enters the country illegal is breaking the law. Period. They can be deported at will.

At WHOSE will? That is the sticking point here. (On a thread allegedly about the Houthi messages screwup.)
Are we just going to round up the usual suspects because we are tired of looking at their brown skin, load them on planes and fly them to Devil's Island, without due process?

Who decides? We don't need no stinking judges! *I* want them gone! And so does the guy who got 49.4% of the popular vote! Fearless Leader wants them gone!

Oh, by the way. Who's going to pick your fruits and veggies, and who's going to butcher your meat? Gen Z?

SB, maybe those who are sympathetic to the pro-Hamas terrorists think we should follow the lead of Hamas itself, with those who support Hamas.

"Particularly those college students who have the wrong opinions!"

We only deported pro-Hamas sympathizers and mouthpieces. How do the heroes of the protesters handle those who disagree with them? With due process? He was not even "illegally" in Palestine. 😱

"Hamas operatives kidnapped, tortured, and executed 22-year-old Oday Nasser Al Rabay for joining last week's protests against the terror group, his family says. His body was left outside his home over the weekend.

Dozens attended his funeral, chanting "Hamas out!" This marks the first reported killing linked to the protests, which lasted three days last week."

Subject: ILTV Israel News on X: "Hamas operatives kidnapped, tortured, and executed 22-year-old Oday Nasser Al Rabay for joining last week's protests against the terror group, his family says. His body was left outside his home over the weekend. Dozens attended his funeral, chanting "Hamas out!" This marks the t.co/BkGVR1yAIj / X


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Show me the law, with the EXACT wording, that says that bureaucrats get to decide. Show me where it says that judges aren't necessary, or even allowed.

John

"At WHOSE will? That is the sticking point here. (On a thread allegedly about the Houthi messages screwup.)
Are we just going to round up the usual suspects because we are tired of looking at their brown skin, load them on planes and fly them to Devil's Island, without due process?
Who decides? We don't need no stinking judges! *I* want them gone! And so does the guy who got 49.4% of the popular vote! Fearless Leader wants them gone!

Oh, by the way. Who's going to pick your fruits and veggies, and who's going to butcher your meat? Gen Z?"

Are you insinuating we are colonialist and racist? 😱

1) The illegals that came in since 2020, were from almost everywhere and every race.
2) we have said, we have no issues with "Legal" immigration.
3) I can pick my own fruits and veggies. I picked strawberries as a kid for a nickel a pint. In the early 60's. Neighbor owned a truck farm back then. I used to mow lawns for neighbors and trim with hand trimmers. I cleaned bank lots of cigarette butts and debris as well as a dentist office and trimmed his barberry hedges with the old hedge trimmers, thorns and all. All until I turned 16 and was old enough for a part time job.I could even learn to butcher if need be. Plenty of hunters in the family.
4) if you disagreed with what Trump said he would do when running, you should have voted against him. He made no secret he was going to send "illegals" back to their home countries and criminal illegals to prisons. Hey, we got a great deal from El Salvador.
5) as far as "illegals", those who voted for him, did so with what he is doing in mind. The last poll shows him with his highest approval ever.

The previous administration could not process them coming in (and didn't really try). But now those who did it, are demanding this administration do what they refused to do? Spare me the crocodile tears. 🙄

Not what happened on Martha's Vinyard.

Initially, the migrants stayed at a St. Andrew's Episcopal Church shelter on Martha's Vineyard.[14][17] The woman who runs the shelter told NPR, "Everything from beds to food to clothing to toothbrushes, toothpaste, blankets, sheets. I mean, we had some of it … but we did not have the numbers that we needed." High-school Spanish students assisted as translators.[14] Some migrants said they were promised jobs on Martha's Vineyard; when they arrived, peak employment season was over, and part-time residents were leaving.[18] Massachusetts governor Charlie Baker then helped them voluntarily relocate by ferry to Joint Base Cape Cod where support services existed.

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John…. Please.

Show me that Pentagon memo. Remember. 😉

"Show me the law, with the EXACT wording, that says that bureaucrats get to decide. Show me where it says that judges aren't necessary, or even allowed."

I could easily say, show me where it does not. But I won't.

So you and others are worried about the rights of criminal aliens.
🤔

Well let's look at our own actual citizens:

I seem to remember a very famous President who is extremely beloved and rated by the experts as one our top.

He suspended the right of Habeas Corpus. 😱

"What is Habeas Corpus?
Habeas corpus is a legal action that allows a person to challenge the legality of their detention or imprisonment.
Why is it important?
It's a fundamental safeguard against unlawful imprisonment and ensures that individuals are not held without due process of law. "

A Supreme Court Justice overruled him. What did "Honest Abe" do?

"Supreme Court Challenge:
Chief Justice Roger B. Taney issued a ruling in Ex Parte Merryman (May 1861) that challenged Lincoln's authority to suspend habeas corpus, arguing that only Congress could do so.

Lincoln's Response:
Lincoln disregarded Taney's ruling, asserting that the president had the authority to suspend habeas corpus in times of national emergency. "

So Congress backed old Abe up. Made a law that says:

"Habeas Corpus Suspension Act:
In 1863, Congress passed the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act, which authorized the president to suspend habeas corpus in cases of rebellion or invasion.

Lincoln's Proclamation:
On September 15, 1863, Lincoln issued a proclamation suspending habeas corpus throughout the Union in cases involving prisoners of war, spies, traitors, or any member of the military."

If this wasn't an invasion, I don't know what is.

Trump has attempted to use The alien sedition act. Used by 3 prior Presidents: Adams, Roosevelt (for Germans, Italians and Japanese) and Truman (Cold War?).

Kiltboy, we all felt overwhelmed by the amount of illegals being sent to our cities and states by the Biden administration, many by night. Martha's Vineyard wasn't one that Joe had on his list.

Most on his list, but not all, were in Red States. He had no issues overwhelming the border states. They became tired of it and started spreading the misery around. Misery loves company they say.

Wow, I did not think that just supporting the idea of due process and rule of law as laid out by the Supreme Court would have been so totally dismissed and rejected.

@Grattan54
MAGA! That justifies everything!
Get with the program!

Back to the topic:

And this CBS, so I'm sure higher. Immigration is his highest.

"Media attacks on the Trump administration due to the Atlantic‘s leak of Signal messages do "not seem tied to evaluations of Mr. Trump overall," according to a CBS News poll that found the president's approval rating to be 50 percent.

The poll, released Sunday morning, surveyed more than 2,600 Americans from across the country on March 27 and 28"

35.

As I'm sure you remember from your days on your University debating team, you will be scored on the Oxford Debating Union principles.

Matter. 0/10 Your sole "argument"of NIMBY is morally bankrupt &, worse, irrelevant.
Method. 0/10 Metaphorically sticking your fingers in your ears & failing to address either the issue or the opposition's case is not persuasive.
Manner. It would be unfair to score you as can't see you. Though I imagine there'd be red faces, screaming and a certain amount of airborne spittle.

Oh, & adding "the other kids are doing it, why can't I?"
didn't work with my little ones so it won't work for you.

How were those … passengers… determined to be "illegal aliens"?

Hmmm … let's see … DHS, FBI, ICE, etc., etc.

Did a court determine that?

No again DHS, FBI, ICE, etc.

Or did a bureaucrat? One of Musk's Whiz Kids?

Don't know … But they have watched, surveilled, etc., etc. by LEOs. Come on you watch Law & Order SVU, Castle, the Closer, etc. BTW before I retired I was a PI … I kind'a know how this stuff works … 🕵️‍♂️

I have no problem with Bad Guys being shipped off to durance vile in some banana republic whose current President for Life is a friend of the President.

Well John as I said this the rub. Millions were let in by the last POTUS, VP, Dems, etc., etc. Which BTW is against the law etc.
The bad guys used the supposed "innocents" as cover as well as exploited them. However, the anyone crossing the border the way they did was illegal. So basically they all broke the law … "Book'm Dano!"

What I do have a problem with is the "Round up the Usual Suspects" attitude.

Well if you listen to the LEOs at all levels. It is now a major task to track/hunt arrest, jail, etc. down 20 million illegal aliens. And right now LEOs are just going after known criminals. And sometimes they find other illegal aliens and arrest them. They call them "Collaterals" …

A trial to determine guilt would be nice.

You mean like when Biden, the Dems, etc. did when they sanctioned these policies, e.g. "catch & release". Ordering CBP, etc. to barely vetting them. Within a few days these illegals were roaming the streets. Some committing crimes, some take assets that could have been used on US citizens. Who were/are really in need to.

So after a few days under CPB's, etc. control. They had basically told them to come back in about 5-6+ years for your hearing. To be on the way to becoming a US citizen.

Frankly many were not here to become Americans. Just came for the freebees, Biden and his minions offered them. To entice them to cross into the USA. As well as the thousands of criminals, Chicom agents, terrorists, etc., etc. who were here to do harm to American citizens. Biden, the Dems, etc. ignored the #1 priority of a gov't. Protect its population … i.e. we the people. " … from enemies foreign & domestic". Turned out the biggest threat was from many elected and appointed gov't officials. And the wealthy woke progressive socialists, globalists, etc. Whose vision of the USA was very, very, skewed.

A trial to determine guilt would be nice.

John what is the plan to do these millions of trials ? How long will it take ? Where do these people stay, who pays for them. Etc., etc., etc.

Can they stay with everybody who supported the Biden's/the Dems open border policy? Biden has 4 houses. How many is he taking care of ? How many Dems with huge million $+ houses are letting these people live there ? Feed them, clothe them, etc.?

What about all the human trafficking that has gone on that these illegal alien criminals brought across the border. Or the drugs ? Or those that raped and murdered, etc. I guess the criminal is the victim and the victim just does not count ? Are they considered collateral. For the Dems, left woke progressive socialists, etc. to get them to vote for them. Regardless of the cost to the majority of Americans who don't what to become the USSA.

Did a court determine that?

No again DHS, FBI, ICE, etc.

Silly me. I thought they were the Deep State!
So, now we trust the Deep State and we don't trust judges and trials and juries?

Don't ask me what MY plan is. I don't make policy. That's the job of the Red Man and his minions.
Get cracking on trials. Since you're so eager to blame Sleepy Joe for the lack of trials, as Trump was wont to do, it behooves him to start putting trials in motion. Since he considers the DOJ his personal law firm, what's stopping him?

Since the Constitution to him is more of a guideline than actual law, I can see why he prefers big bloated gesturing.

Ochoin, your opinion of my debating skills,
Matter to me, not at all.
Your opinion of what the U.S. does or does not do, even less so.
You are not from the US, so have no say in our elections or a vote.

Stick to the mote in the eye of your own country, be that England, Romania or elsewhere.

By the way, you still have not volunteered to take them in. Why is it those who advocate your opinions, never do volunteer? Also, why do so many of you hide in your anonymity?

Again OVI +1 & SBm +1 …

Watching people bitch about the Biden administration is like watching the condemnation of the Weimar Republic. Go look it up. It might be instructive.

Stop being dramatic. You are not in Congress who knows the TV cameras are on. And they want to get their 15 seconds of fame or whatever. Asking dumb, irrelevant, questions, etc.

We know the history … and this is not what is happening in the USA. Oh … and try decaf for the Gods' sakes ! ☕ Or Grog … 🥃

Yes, better to round up and deport without a trial. They might actually rape someone!
Does being a Mexican or Guatemalan immigrant make them more prone to rape than a native born White citizen?

John … again try to not being so dramatic … and try the Grog …

The hell with due process and civil rights! As you said, we don't have enough judges. So, why bother with legal niceties.
Particularly those college students who have the wrong opinions!

Yes John how do you handle 20 million illegal aliens with due process. The same due process that US citizens are granted ? Again 20 million ??!?

And if an activist with a Green Card is inciting to riot, trespasses, etc., etc. And has been linked with Hamas, etc. wants to end Western civilization, etc. And again he/they are not American citizens, who don't have the same rights as US citizens. Them being here is a privilege. Not a right …
So yeah, if deemed a threat by his/her actions. Plus breaks US laws. Well he/she may have to be sent home.

In my totalitarian view, people who have arrived illegally on the territory of another state have already broken the law and are criminals. All that needs to be proven is that they do not have permits for the legal right to stay in the country. No officially issued documents – no need for a court for deportation… Is this illogical? Of course, I am not familiar with your internal laws, but in Russia this is the case.

Cuprum I have to agree with you. And that is basically the ways it should work in the USA. Now of course I'll be labeled a Commie, Nazi, white supremacist, threat to democracy, etc.

yes, with 10 to 20 million, I see no logical means to give those who are here who have not been lawfully granted asylum, due process. Right now they are criminals (broke the law to come here illegally). They also are costing astronomical taxpayers money.

Yes but you are talking logically. Displaying common sense. Seems many who hate Trump just have a predilection to go on emotion.

The reality of the Biden, Dems, etc. open border policies ignore the troubles/problems which are many, that comes with 20 million illegal aliens …

Kiltboy, we all felt overwhelmed by the amount of illegals being sent to our cities and states by the Biden administration, many by night.

Yes as in fact we were. 20 million illegal aliens … how do you take care of them ? Etc., etc., etc.

Wow, I did not think that just supporting the idea of due process and rule of law as laid out by the Supreme Court would have been so totally dismissed and rejected.

Again, how do you do this for 20 million illegal aliens ? I think this illegal invasion sanctioned by Biden, the Dems, etc. really rates as a national security disaster. Something has to be done to protect Americans, our way of life, etc., etc. Again 20 million is an overwhelming number …

Show me the law, with the EXACT wording, that says that bureaucrats get to decide. Show me where it says that judges aren't necessary, or even allowed.

Show me the laws, sanctions, etc. that allows a gov't to open its borders. Letting millions into the US. Without vetting, hearings, etc. You can't … what the Biden admin, Dem, etc. did was illegal. They knowing broke the law to achieve an agenda, narrative, that most US citizens don't agree with. And will have a negative effect on many. Economically especially …

Massachusetts governor Charlie Baker then helped them voluntarily relocate by ferry to Joint Base Cape Cod where support services existed.

Who paid for this, how long were they there ? What happened to them when "released" ? Most likely a burden on society. And a danger from the criminals in the mix. Like in Guerilla warfare, the insurgent blends in will the locals. In many cases the insurgents are the locals …

Besides the ones that die from the drugs that come across the border, those that are robbed, raped, murdered, etc. Those Americans don't have rights ? And everyone knows the gov't has to protect its people. The open border policies, etc. just put more Americans at risk. Willing sanctioned by the gov't that was elected to protect them.

And John … I think you are just being contrary, stirring the pot, being argumentative, etc. IIRC I've seen you play this card before.

Try Irish Coffee …

And John … I think you are just being contrary, stirring the pot, being argumentative, etc. IIRC I've seen you play this card before.

So, are you saying that I don't really believe what I'm saying? What makes you say that? 🤔
Is it because you think I'm intelligent, and smart people can't really believe what I'm saying?

NIMBY, 35, is a moot point. That should be at least two words you'll need to google. Glad to see you know of at least 2 other countries in the world. Well done, you.

And BTW – was your last post an attempt at a haiku? Too many syllables & lines but I am so very proud of you for the attempt.

Here's a haiku from me:

"Politician
loves the poor
in speeches"

Not bad?

And Ralph.

At some point you'll need to drop the, "Miss, Biden stole my homework & ran away" argument. It's already old.

Well John … I didn't say you didn't believe what you're saying. But I think you like to rub it in our faces, say "neener, neener". 😛 Which is fine. I was just making an observation. I could be wrong. You may enjoy jerking chains. Sometimes I do …

Is it because you think I'm intelligent, and smart people can't really believe what I'm saying?

Well I certainly didn't say you were not intelligent. 👨‍🎓 And we are all free to believe as we do. As polarized as some of our opinions are … 🌎

So carry on … based on my past experiences here. Don't let me or anyone else stop you … It is all part of the tour here. 🚙

At some point you'll need to drop the, "Miss, Biden stole my homework & ran away" argument. It's already old.

May be old to you. But living thru the Biden Admin, the woke progressive Dems, etc. cluster … And all the problems caused here and worldwide because of their policies, etc. With their open border fiasco at the top of the list. Followed by many other foolish woke progressive, etc. initiatives, agendas, narratives etc.

And now it is coming out more and more many of the Dems and Media covered up his declining capabilities. Allowing some have called "the village" idiot be the leader of the "Free World".

I will never forgive nor forget those that supported this Kabuki theater. And I will continue talk about it and remind everybody. Of what some elected and appointed members of our Gov't, plus the biased tried to do to the USA.

The nation my friends and I took an oath to defend from enemies foreign & domestic. We now see the real enemy is from within ….

So you can say and believe what you want. But you are not here where every day we see the mostly in the biased media. It is taking a lot of work to fix all the damage that was inflicted by a very wealthy minority who didn't have the best intent for we the people …

And all these enemies of we the people, they can kiss my fat lily white …

Ochoin

Yes I'm sure you don't want them in your own backyard, fine in the other chaps though, right? Now as to what you prefer in your backyard, well that is obviously your own business and none of mine.

@35
Are you getting confused? Reading comprehension again? You're the NIMBY in your "argument".

BTW I've been thinking over your jibe about anonymity. 35thOVI. That's not anonymous, is it?
I'm sure you're not a hypocrite so why don't you break the internet shibboleth & publish your full name, address and phone number? I'll be right behind you.

Of course this relies on *anything* you say having any merit….

@ Ralph
"We now see the real enemy is from within "

Totally, agree, Ralph. We may well differ on the identification of that enemy. But then again, I don't believe propaganda.

And BTW who is the Leader of the Free World now? I think the position may be vacant. Pity.

Ochoin, I have both my state, country and name here. I am not ashamed of any of them. You on the other hand, must be ashamed of yours.

There are sayings about those who choose to remain anonymous.

I guess my last response to you must have been too subtle.

No, I've made it abundantly clear, I don't want "illegal" aliens in the country. Legal, no issues.

Without illegal aliens, none of those in these statistics would be dead, raped nor have had crimes committed against them. They had rights too, but no one in the previous administration cared. I place you in with the ones who care more about the rights of the illegals, than those of actual citizens who suffered violence at the hands of these illegals. None of this need ever have happened IF our laws had been enforced!

NOW you squeal for our laws to be enforced.

But, hey it's not your country…. Right? Liberal agenda is much more important than their lives. As I said before, just collateral damage. 🤮

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Subtle? You? Facile. Obvious. Predictable.

Anonymous? Were you in the military? Not Army Intelligence, I hope. It's all spelled out in plain sight, for those with a modicum of nous.

I know you like poetry – haiku, at any rate.
Here's one you might know:

"No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee."

If you have trouble understanding its meaning, I'll deconstruct it for you. Just ask.

Right? Liberal agenda is much more important than their lives. As I said before, just collateral damage. 🤮

By "collateral damage" are you referring to the reports of innocent people caught up in the sweep?
Or the man wearing tattoos of a soccer club now rotting in the El Salvador gulag?
How about the mother who has been disappeared within the system?

There's a terrible irony here where you condemn brown people immigrants, yet applaud the tactics of Pinochet and the Argentine junta.
What do you have against putting your criminals on trial, AS CRIMINALS? We have plenty of prison cells here in the good old USA. Why are you in favor of rounding up anyone who looks guilty and shipping them off to a brutal foreign prison?
Oh, right. Biden never got around to individual trials, so let's have sweeping mass roundups instead.
Like Uighurs in China.

O, I hate poetry and the pompous elite who enjoy and see any real meaning in it.

Somewhat Like the English professors who claim to find inner meanings in stories, the authors of those books, who pat them on the back and say "yes, that is exactly what I meant!" And the desperate faux intellectual who go along with those interruptions, thinking it makes them appear intelligent by association.

Haikus are the worst.

Those who feel they must espouse their intellectual superiority publicly, hoping others will agree and self assure them that they are, indeed intelligent. Well…. they are the lowest.

O i've meant intellectuals and O, you are not an intellectual. But hey, keep seeking that self assurance. Maybe you'll find it some day.

Then you might move out of mom's basement and microwave your own hot pockets. 😉

FYI, I'm sure some in the U.S. will understand that previous comment of mine. Maybe they will explain it to you.

Now climb back up Mount Sinai and pretend you are Moses. I'm sure you believe you are Wellington or Napoleon when you play with your miniatures.

John,

"By "collateral damage" are you referring to the reports of innocent people caught up in the sweep?
Or the man wearing tattoos of a soccer club now rotting in the El Salvador gulag?
How about the mother who has been disappeared within the system?
There's a terrible irony here where you condemn brown people immigrants, yet applaud the tactics of Pinochet and the Argentine junta.
What do you have against putting your criminals on trial, AS CRIMINALS? We have plenty of prison cells here in the good old USA. Why are you in favor of rounding up anyone who looks guilty and shipping them off to a brutal foreign prison?
Oh, right. Biden never got around to individual trials, so let's have sweeping mass roundups instead.
Like Uighurs in China."

You obviously know who the collateral damage are. Read the links and "Say their names".

Why do you KEEP coming back to "brown people"? I've said multiple times, this batch of illegals are all races and many countries.., Asian, White, red and brown.
I could care less about their color. So please stop putting up the straw dog of racism. It is ridiculous.

I've never applauded the tactics of Pinochet and the Argentine Junta? Are they shipping out their illegals? If so, that's their business. Not my country.

These individual stories remind me of the "children in cages" stories.

"The Department of Homeland Security is hitting back at the viral claims that a Venezuelan soccer player was deported to El Salvador after he was mistakenly identified as a member of Tren de Aragua.

The feds say they're "confident" he's a paid-up gang member of the violent Venezuelan prison gang."

If an illegal has the paperwork given to them by the Biden regime to appear In court for a hearing, then give them the hearing. If they don't appear… well.

No I do not want them in prisons here. We paid enough for their being here illegally already, in taxpayer money and crimes committed against our citizens. Why should the U.S. taxpayers have to pay even more to house them here, where it costs more than most countries to jail them?

I'm hoping the Supreme Court will get off their butts and clear this up once and for all.

By "collateral damage" are you referring to the reports of innocent people caught up in the sweep?
Or the man wearing tattoos of a soccer club now rotting in the El Salvador gulag?
How about the mother who has been disappeared within the system?

According to whom? The Establishment Left-Media who lies routinely? Perhaps some of this happened, but perhaps much of it is also BS, like AOC doing her staged "crying" at a detainment center and other fakery. If the soccer dude story is true, he's an illegal alien from Venezuela who got caught up. DHS says they have more information than a single tattoo.

And funny how this works -- Trump tried normal deportation, then the Democrats blocked that, so he invoked the Act to deport criminal aliens, and the Democrats are still blocking. They prefer to keep their Imported Peasants and Serfs to maintain a Plantation Labor pool and count them in the US Census to gain more Congressional Seats, and via mass mail-in ballots (with no chain of custody) farm them endlessly for more votes and power.

Again, I must ask the $64 USD question.
What do you have against judges and trials?
Is it too inconvenient for the Deep State to put evidence on the table?

The District Judge who tried to call back the USAF aircraft full of illegal alien criminals. From going to a high security prison in El Salvador has no power to do that … period.

Where exactly did you get your Law Degree?
Or did you get that take from the Right Wing Mainstream Media?

Somehow I missed the Memo about only the left wing mainstream media lies.
The right wing mainstream media are all Boy Scouts and always tells the truth.

John, yes the memo went out.

"A memo like we've never seen before! It was a beautiful memo! A perfect memo." 😉

I think the guy in your mirror got it. 😉 Actually he is pretty level headed and agrees with everything I say. No wonder you two don't get along. 😂

OVI +1

SBm +1

And BTW who is the Leader of the Free World now? I think the position may be vacant. Pity.

It became that way when Biden and his admin entered the WH. Many knew he was not up to the task. He never was a very good member of Congress. There is a reason he ran for POTUS IIRC, 3 times before. Even Obama didn't have much good to say about him. Some others in the intel community pretty he was wrong on so many things.

I will never forgive what the Dems, wealthy left woke progressive activists and the media did by lying on almost a daily basis about Biden and their agenda.

By "collateral damage" are you referring to the reports of innocent people caught up in the sweep?

NO … not innocent people. But when going after known illegal alien criminals, if other illegal aliens are with them. They both get arrested, as both broke the law.

Where exactly did you get your Law Degree?

From the School of TV's Law & Order …
No actually I do listen, read, etc. Again reported today by legal experts[not left-wing activists]. District Court Judges have no authority of the POTUS, etc. when dealing with national security, geopolitical, etc. Any district judge cannot tell a legal lawful order of the POTUS to cease & desist a military supported operation ordered/sanctioned by the POTUS. There are 3 branches of our Gov't. I don't have to tell anyone what they are. But there no 4th of an ancillary judicial branch that are activist judges, etc.

What do you have against judges and trials?

Again … how do you handle 20 million illegal aliens with due process? The same due process that US citizens are granted ? Again 20 million ??!?

Again … Show me the laws, sanctions, etc. that allows a gov't to open its borders. Letting millions into the US. Without vetting, hearings, etc. You can't … what the Biden admin, Dem, etc. did was illegal. They knowing broke the law to achieve an agenda, narrative, that most US citizens don't agree with. And will have a negative effect on many. Economically especially …

Again illegal aliens, green card holders, etc. don't have all the rights actual US citizens do …