"Houthi War Plans Security Breach" Topic

I wasn't suggesting that amateurism was restricted only to the current bunch.

Well Dave LOL !!! I will agree with you there !

But you have to admit, posting your war plans in a group chat is pretty amateurish 😀 I can imagine the reaction in Washington if the same thing had happened in an ally of the US

Well again watching this news stuff most of the day[I'm retired & crippled !] The reports are. The Signal app was OK'd during the last Admin. I didn't say Biden, as I'm sure he had nothing to do with it. The CIA at that time OK'd, it is encrypted, but should not be used for all commo. So yeah, it comes down to how/who put Goldman on the list ?
Most likely an accident.

Saw Goldman on CCN(?) say it they think I'm lying he can post more of the email. Frankly he is not a Trump fan, so often he & his mag prints negative things, about Trump, etc. Nothing new there most of the media and Dems do.

hen the Americans get their invasion force ready for Greenland, we'll know about it in advance.

The VP's wife is going over there for a visit. I guess her kids, retinue, etc. will probably be marking beaches and drop zones.

Now something some don't know, but I follow this pretty closely. Being a Vet and associate with some local Vet groups, etc.

Waltz[not Harris's VP pick Walz!] was a Ret. Green Beret LTC or COL. And combat vet.

Gabbard is[or was?) an LTC in the HI NG. Who served in Iraq with a Medical unit(IIRC). She was later an MP.

Hegseth was an Infantry Officer, grad from US Army Infantry School. A Rifle Plt Ldr and later Co. Cdr. He was in the same Rgt. and Div. I was served in about 20 years before. 187 Infantry Rgt, 101 ABN Air Asslt Div. I was a Rifle Plt Ldr in the 187/101 and later a Mech Co Cdr with a Mech Bde. attached to 18th ABN Corps.

So yeah I'm a little bit biased …

He served at Gitmo Plus saw combat in Iraq and A'stn. I ETS'd in '90 so I was gone when things got hot in Iraq, A'stn, Somali, etc.

But Hegseth is very much qualified for his job as SecDef. He was at the pointy end of the spear. He is respected and liked by the troops. As he is really one of them. He is a warrior. He is always doing things with the troops. He is a hands on leader. And yes, knows leadership starting at the lowest level.

Let there be no doubt, Waltz, Gabbard and Hegseth understand and know OPSEC. Hell I do and I was only a CPT with only a TS. In Panama, Korea and [West] Germany OPSEC was in effect daily.

However, they were using an approved encrypted commo app. They did nothing wrong. The rub was how did a reporter get on the list and got the intel he did ?

The Dems still do not understand what happened. They take every opportunity to throw stones at the new POTUS and his admin. [It goes both ways, return fire if you will] But as we know people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. E.g. Hakim Jefferies is calling for Hegseth to resign. Well Jefferies couldn't shine Hegeth's boots, nor Gabbard or Waltz.

From my experience, training, IMO this is one of the best group of leaders that has been in any admin. For a very long time. There are too many activists in DC and know little about leadership. But they still get paid, like everybody else.

it would be much more efficient than our current Clown Show, or the Biden administration.

No John it is not a Clown show, as time goes on it will be seen how effective and pro-American this POTUS and Admin are. But yes the last POTUS and Admin calling them a Clown shop is an insult to real clowns. 🤡🎪🎠🐘 And a real circus in general.

While the Dems, etc. are jumping all over the threat to national security bandwagon … The biggest threat to US national security and the US population. Was the Fed Gov't's sanctioned/supported open border policy.

Allowing @ 20 million illegal aliens into the nation, not letting all the Fed, State and even local LEOs to do their jobs. And IMO and many others that was a real impeachable offense. Among a few others …

And some still won't get that …

With respect for Hesgeth's service, along with the others, the concerns are not about military background. They are about administrative experience needed to oversee, supply, and support two million people, negotiate and deal with contractors, deal with Congress, research and development, participate in high level interagency relations with dozens of officials.
Getting along with the troops is not the same as insuring their housing, food medical, etc – every facet of their jobs and lives depends on his ability to manage 800 billion a year. I don't dislike these people, I don't know whether they have the management skills to run a massive organization.

I'm about as virulent a critic of what is charitably being referred to as this administration, but re the inclusion of a journalist in a high level intelligence chat, my impulse is to chalk it up as an "oops."

I'm confident that everyone in that chat now has an "opsec" shadow who is perpetually looking over the shoulder of his/ her/redacted/redacted designee to insure that everyone in the chat has business being there. (Not you, Boris and Natasha)

However, they were using an approved encrypted commo app. They did nothing wrong. The rub was how did a reporter get on the list and got the intel he did ?

I'm guessing has access was enabled during the Biden Admin years, and he was never scrubbed from the system when the Trump team took over.

They are about administrative experience needed to oversee,…

Oh sure, like Biden SecDef Lloyd Austen who literally DISAPPEARED FOR TWO WEEKS AND NOBODY NOTICED!

SB …So what? How does that make these new guys qualified as managers of these huge systems? They are supposed to be the major improvement we wanted. Hesgeth night be better off in a more narrowly focused mid level job.

@Legion

What you are saying is true.

The Democrats have no new ideas any longer, other than to fight Trump. When AOC, at 10%, is recognized as the face of the future of your party, that's not good (The others in single digits, were just as bad). They do not control the Congress, the White House or the Supreme Court. So they fight back with the only things left to them, that they do control, federal judges and the MSM.

What are they fighting for? Illegal aliens, even the violent ones. Continued bloated bureaucracy and spending, without end. DEI in all aspects of our lives. Elections with no proof of citizenship or ID. Men in women's sports. Tampons in men's bathrooms. Protecting those who support Islamic terrorist and burn and deface the property of others (Teslas and anything related to Musk). I'll end the list here, but it's not a good list, is it?

I don't think the Dems are really fighting for those things. The Dem party is in ruins, I think and the Repubs have given in to one man rule and really do not exist as they once did either, as MAGA has taken over. Clearly stronger, but still not representing half the country.

Still too early to to know if the Great Divide can be overcome.

More details coming out. As much of a mistake as this way, I don't think it deserves much more attention. But lying about it has made it look worse, Gabbard and Hesgeth especially. Calling the Atlantic editor a bunch of names just looks like they can't bring themselves to man up. Or woman up.

No classified info, but we can't tell you about it because its classified. Not war plans, just exact operational details. Don't make it worse.

Tort based on the federal judges challenges, (most Clinton, Obama, Biden and Bush (who's family does not like Trump) and what I hear daily from the current voices of that party, it is their policies.

I can put a lot of links if someone wants them. Crockett is not an outlier, she just has no filters, "Governor Hot Wheels" yesterday. Waters saying we should deport Melania Trump yesterday.

Federal Judge challenges per President:

6 12 64 14 15
Bush Obama Trump Biden Trump. There is a pattern.

Subject: Injunction dysfunction: Trump facing unprecedented legal challenges to agenda. Around the last 60 seconds show the numbers.


link

Now I'll give you the same story, from different political perspectives
The left
Subject: Trump administration can suspend approval of new refugees, appeals court rules | AP News


link

The right
Subject: West-Coast Judges Say Trump Admin Must Take In Refugees and Pay for Their Housing


link

Notice what was not said or left out of the first. Being that I live close to Springfield and talk with people from there, guess which one I am inclined to believe. 😉

I report (it came up in Drudge), you decide.
link

Since everyone in the SIGNAL group insists there "was no classified information" 🙄, Goldberg and The Atlantic today published the full transcript of the (whatever it was but wasn't classified) conversation.

Is Waltz falling on his sword to cover for some other dumb ass for including Goldberg in "the group"?

Don't worry about federal judges. The lickspittle Speaker 🙄 of the House is floating the idea of eliminating federal judges. It was on the internet, so it has to be true!
I wonder how many times someone with a law degree, who had actually read the constitution, has to tell Trump that he can't fire judges? Probably daily.

The recourse is to file appeals, not make accusations and insults about the judges to the nation and the world. The judge has a right to get his questions answered. Why not just answer? He is not telling Trump they cannot deport these guys. Agree or not, he is looking at the laws involved, making sure they are good to go.

Like Congress ,the judicial branch is being made weaker while we are watching Mrs. Vance invade Greenland. Beware the shiny objects while Project 25 is implemented.

🙄

The Congress has the right to defund judicial districts. They may have the right to dissolve them, I am not sure.

Federal judges can be impeached. Based on what I have recently read about many of these individual judges, they should be.

Tort and others, you have all complained about the "lack of experience" of Hegseth, Gabbard and others.

Well check out these foreign born judges, then speak again of inexperience. At least 3 had never been judges before! I'd say all were appointed strictly for political beliefs and or DEI quotas (I know, only Republicans appoint someone for political beliefs) 🙄

Subject: A Third Of All DC District Judges Are Foreign Born


link

Now can you all come back and argue lack of experience again, with a straight face?

Oh and

"With respect to the lower federal courts, the constitutional authorization for Congress to from time to time ordain and establish inferior courts may imply that Congress can alter the system it establishes, including by eliminating exiting federal courts.3 Moreover, having left to Congress the decision whether to establish lower federal courts,4 it would be anomalous for the Constitution to provide that, once a court was established, Congress could never eliminate it. Historical practice suggests that Congress may abolish lower federal courts, though the Constitution may limit its ability to unseat current federal judges in doing so."

It seems that this has happened in a round about way around 1802.

And

"On subsequent occasions when Congress eliminated Article III courts, the legislation provided for judges from the abolished courts to continue to serve on other Article III courts. In 1891, Congress enacted legislation creating new intermediate appellate courts and eliminating the then-existing federal circuit courts.15 The 1891 Act authorized sitting circuit judges, who had previously heard cases on the circuit courts, to hear cases on the new appellate courts.16 Congress again exercised its power to abolish a federal court in 1913, eliminating the short-lived Commerce Court.17 The 1913 legislation provided for redistribution of the Commerce Court judges among the federal appeals courts.18 In 1982, Congress enacted legislation abolishing the Article III Court of Claims and U.S. Court of Customs and Patent Appeals, instead establishing the Article I Court of Federal Claims and the Article III U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.19 The statute provided for judges from the eliminated courts to serve instead on the Federal Circuit.20"

Lastly

"Only Congress has the authority to remove an Article III judge. This is done through a vote of impeachment by the House and a trial and conviction by the Senate. As of September 2017, only 15 federal judges have been impeached, and only eight have been convicted."

"lickspittle" -- how, don't see that word very often outside of a college classroom or "intellectual" screed! I look forward to more of your throwback language, and will enjoy seeing. Here are some suggestions for you!

Toady
Sycophant
Bootlicker
Pusillanimous
Poltroon
Quisling
Jackbooted thug
Panderer
Fawning cur
Obsequious worm
Sniveling lackey

Or, if you happen to hang to the Left, love to see some posts with these classic gems!

Running dog
Capitalist lackey
Imperialist stooge
Reactionary swine
Bourgeois parasite
Kulak scum
Petty-bourgeois deviationist
Trotskyite wrecker
Counter-revolutionary element
Revisionist traitor
Paper tiger

Considering that you need 2/3+1 of the Senate to convict an impeached party, the probability is non existent.
Only a majority of the House is required to impeach. It then goes to the Senate for trial.
Didn't we go through all this during the Reign of Trump I?
I thought it was silly and pointless back then. A purely political gesture, with no hope of conviction. That was mostly due to cowardice on the part of Republicans.

Eliminating lower federal courts is not quite as unlikely, but there are still "principled Republicans" (🙄) to block it. Brave heroes like Mitch McConnell who won't be running for reelection anyway. That brave sort.

The word "politician" comes from the Greek "poly", meaning "many", and "tick", meaning "blood sucking insect/parasite".

"Pusillanimous poltroon"!
I wish I had seen that before I typed out my above screed. 😄 It perfectly describes the Republicans I have issues with.
Say what you want about democrats. At least they're under control. 🙄 Like a good obedient cult member.

I don't respect any of that lot.

Getting along with the troops is not the same as insuring their housing, food medical, etc.

No … as a Ldr/Cdr you are concerned about every aspect of your troops including housing for families and the barracks, etc. Going to make sure the parts for the barrack's beds were being made correctly. I tried repeatedly for 18 months to get new furniture for my Co. Day Room. Never was a priority for those on main post. I should have just bought it myself. I regret not doing that …

Food – there is no question, that is a # 1 priority … I got may butt chewed by the Bde Cdr as the Bacon was not crispy enough. And the Bn XO that there was no cheese in the scrambled eggs. Good food is part of good morale. \

Medical – we go out of our way to medevac injured etc. troops. We make it a point to bring everyone back … BTW I've took charge to medevac a number of troops. It was part of my job as a leader. Your men depend on you to be a leader. FWIW even the most serious injured, e.g. GSW we did it right and they lived. Or didn't lose a limb …

etc. – E.g. as a commander being asked by your 1SG that SGT X would like you talk to him & his wife, i,e. marriage counselling. Etc., etc., etc. that is what a competent leader does. I was not the only one …

Hegseth provides leadership from someone who was there in combat. He understands leadership and how it effects morale. He [like I and many others] understands … you want your troops to not only respect the rank, but the man wearing the rank.

They have faith in you that you will make the right decisions, etc. They know you make it a point to take care of them. And at the same time, you have to be strict taskmaster. When needed. You can't be their friend, but you still can have a good professional relationship with them.

They want to do things to not fail you or the rest of the unit. I very rarely remembering to have to give a stern order. But did when necessary.

And at times 💩 still happened, and they were looking for you to be there. And fix it …

Etc., etc., etc. …

Hegseth appears to me to know al that. And based on my experience both in command and staff duty positions. You have to be able to do the mission/duty of the next higher level as command.

In the SECDEF's case he has a very large staff that assists him. As a Co, Bn, Bde, Div, etc. Cdr has an XO. And from Bn on up you have a staff. Sometimes a very big staff from Bde on up.

He is a warrior, he knows how to lead and get things done. As an Officer [and even NCO] it was expected of you.

I disagree with your comments … But I am used to many here having an opinion. Which is fine, I agree, no problem … But many times, they have no experience or training on the topic. But everybody is allowed to have an opinion. Some more valid than others. I have opinions on a lot of things I don't know much about. DOH !!

And yes as I said I am biased … but my bias is not without some knowledge of how a lot of this Military stuff really works.

HMS E. – I generally agree with what you posted. Again this was an on a CIA approved encrypted app. It was not hacked, but how did this reporter who is not friendly to this POTUS/Admin get into the loop ?

And yes it was an Opps/Doh ! But not thru incompetence… These people on this conversation were not like many in the previous Admin. E.g. Blinken, Sullivan, etc. were intellectual academics. They should have stayed in the classroom. Where they couldn't hurt anyone. E.g. the A'stn withdrawal, handling Iran's nuke quest, etc.

SBm +1

OVI +1

I don't think the Dems are really fighting for those things. The Dem party is in ruins, I think and the Repubs have given in to one man rule and really do not exist as they once did either, as MAGA has taken over. Clearly stronger, but still not representing half the country.

Yes all of that is true. But all that voted for Trump are no "MAGAs", which I think is over used.

However, after the disastrous Biden admin and the Dems being "Borged" 🤖 by the far-left, liberal, woke progressive socialist etc. cultists. Too many saw the emperor has no clothes, including his admin, the Dems, and the media … But they choose to let the empty suit supposedly run the USA. When in actuality the unelected were running the nation. The POTUS was just a rubber stamp, when he was not sleeping. tripping, rambling on incoherently, etc., etc. And our enemies saw it and took advantage of it.

Since everyone in the SIGNAL group insists there "was no classified information" 🙄, Goldberg and The Atlantic today published the full transcript of the (whatever it was but wasn't classified) conversation.

Again it was a CIA approved encrypted app. It was not hacked. What was being discussed was not as big a deal as the Dems & media are making it.

There was NO grids or target descriptions in the conversation. Only TOTs in Yemen.

Interestingly Goldberg didn't say anything about this until shortly before some of the hearing in Congress. Which was about 2 weeks after the strikes. However, the strikes were extremely successful. That is what the Dems and media are ignoring. As now they have another thing to attack Trump and his admin.

One reporter said, the CIA Chief mentioned a CIA member by name in that conversation. Trying to say that was classified … It was not … The CIA boss said the individual is his CoS. He was not undercover. No intel was violated, etc.

Again anything to go after the POTUS and his admin. Who have only been in office for about 2 months and the border is shut down and mass deportations are going on. The previous POTUS said he couldn't do anything. As we know he and his minions supported this mass border crossing by illegal aliens into the US.

Interestingly the Houthi's fired on US, etc. vessels 174 times during the previous POTUS's term. And did 0 … He and his admin allowed that to continue putting the USN in harm's way. And not making a real counterstrike. Which was pretty much how the last Admin did things …

It perfectly describes the Republicans I have issues with.
Say what you want about democrats. At least they're under control. 🙄 Like a good obedient cult member.

Well not too bad a post for you John … 😎

Legion – I never question your military knowledge. Of course every good commander will be concerned for the welfare of his troops. I was pointing out that Cabinet jobs are not the same as Army officers. Yes, you do understand the rank and file and may have rapport. But I think the morass of bureaucracy is a different battle.

Its life in a bureaucratic snake pit which is bigger that anything a soldier normally commands. It requires fighting a much different kind of conflict – political and financial battles, contract wars, shady members of Congress, private contractors, foreign diplomats, power and influence struggles with other agencies – the list goes on. Dirty business as often as not…

John the OFM – if you want to go really old school, the Shakespearean Insults Generator is the way to go!

link

Again it was a CIA approved encrypted app. It was not hacked.

link

Experts seem to differ.
Speaking as someone who has had my bank account hacked, and I'm now working on a PayPal hack…

It seems to me that this relies on a code user's hubris that it can't be hacked. Much like the Germans with ENIGMA.

At the Chinese Hacking School, the slow kids are given phone apps, like SIGNAL as part of their mid-term exams. It encourages them!

I think the deeper and more interesting story is not the Signal app, which as has been reported was adopted for secure use going back to 2017 or so and used as standard policy by the Biden Admin. I mean, you always inherit the other guy's IT policies and lists.

The real interesting story is WHO added the reporter to a secure chat environment, which usually is done by IT Admin level access with approvals. Was this a new addition, and how, or was he a legacy user from the Biden days -- and if so, why?

I believe the Panamanian government has gotten a subscription to The Atlantic in case they need prior warning to any American shenanigans.

So has Denmark and Greenland.

The real interesting story is WHO added the reporter to a secure chat environment…

From what he said, Goldberg had no idea either. His attitude is basically "Me! Of all people! 🤷"

link

Waltz is apparently falling on his sword. POTUS, going back to his "reality TV" days, isn't afraid to fire people.
Maybe Trump will replace him with Vince MacMahon. He likes to fire folks too.

link

More on the"reliability" of SIGNAL. 😄
"You can't tell me! I know what I'm doing!"
Everyone take a deep breath here. Yes. I'm saying it.
TRUMP IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT TO BE PISSED!
Whew. That took a lot out of me!

"Ah, we're back in the Golden Age of the CIA. It suits their Machiavellian agenda to let aides to POTUS screw up while the Deep State CIA smiles like a Sphinx. They were never all that bothered by American casualties, as long as they were running things. No Americans killed? So much the better.
Curses on the NSA! We'll deal with that later."

The above is a bad plot idea for a spy novel from the 90s. It would probably be rejected by the publisher, who would demand the advance back.
Not only is Truth stranger than Fiction, it's also a lot dumber.

Perhaps it was that Iranian Mother Ship operating on behalf of the "Deep State"…

I wonder how many here talking about Signal messaging with such authority have ever actually used it? Based on the comments, I'm guessing not many.

I'll go by what the Pentagon and the NSA said about Signal.
Telling a code cracker that this code can't be cracked is these days nothing but a challenge, to be settled by beers after work. A Chinese agency assigned that task will undoubtedly get unlimited funding, and more importantly unlimited computing power.
Not unlike Turing getting the very cutest actresses to inspire him. Although, I don't think she inspired him all that much. 🙄

Can't crack it? Hold my beer. In fact, I'll wager that the CIA cracked it too.

Sorry boys and girls, but this nothingburger has run its course and is already fading away.

Not really. All the "Yeah, but what about…" lads did was to show that we haven't learned anything. Stupid people keep making stupid mistakes. Only the cast of characters changes.
I totally understand that you must play everything that the Orange Man does as a stroke of genius. Muchly great!
But be honest. Someone screwed the pooch, and we got away with it. This time.
And the Chinese and/or Russians who have cracked Signal, but couldn't be bothered to alert Iran, much less the Houthis, are snickering into their booze. They care even less for "human life" than the CIA.

@stone mountain
YOU may want it to fade away, but to the Democrats and their MSM running dog lackeys, it's a gift from God (who doesn't really exist 🙄). It will run as long as they want it to.

There was a time when Signal was just an app people used for affairs. :)

pjm

"run its course etc etc"

I'm fairly sure the Russians & Chinese took note & won't forget.

If I or any other Soldier or civilian employee did this, we would be fired. Accountability is a reasonable expectation of our leaders.

"Stupid people keep making stupid mistakes." The most profound quip you've ever said here. And in English. Thanks.

"Has run it course"

Gee, you mean like Hillary and her laptop just went away because there was nothing to see there too.

It was a stupid mistake….but one with some very odd coincidences:
1. Phone with a number not put there by the organizer (so he says)…
2. Added to the group with no one vetting…
3. Just so happens to be a "journalist"….quotes intended…
4. Just so happens to be a fierce critic of the current leadership….
5. Just so happens to be a fierce defender of the other political party, regardless of stance…..

Lots of "just so happens" with this "mistake"….YMMV…

PST
"Stupid people keep making stupid mistakes." The most profound quip you've ever said here. And in English. Thanks.

😄
Here it is via Google Latin translate. I shall not vouch for its accuracy. It looks okay, but my scholarly years are more than 50 years in the past.

Stultus populus facere stultus errata!

"Has run it course"

Gee, you mean like Hillary and her laptop just went away because there was nothing to see there too.

Well, the MSM didn't care, so… 😄

I never question your military knowledge.

Well I appreciate that. Not to be [but I know I am one at times
!], but many times I want to say to some here. Unless you lead/commanded a combat arms Plt or Co. or served on a Bn or Bde staff. Many really don't know what they are talking about. And there is a lot of things I don't know what I am talking about too.

Regardless, I'll get off my high horse. But I know as a Senior CPT/Co Cdr I was the acting Bn Cdr. And even on a big MapX/wargame at Bragg, I as the Bde Cdr. I didn't volunteer but I was a Senior CPT and they must have thought I was somewhat capable.

So my point is … Leadership demonstrated by "good" leaders can make good decisions at just about any levels. Was my experience. And again with high levels of Cmd you have a staff. Most combat arms officers spend more time on staff than in command. How you perform on staff may influence you being offered a Cmd.

A good staff, like I'm sure Hegseth has will make your job easier. And assist the commander in making the right decisions. When your Bn or Bde Cdr looks to you for answers to questions/give guidance, etc. in your area of expertise/duty position, e.g. Air Ops Logistics, etc. You better have your 💩 wired tight. As you are assisting your Cdr with making decisions for hundred if not thousands of troops.

Again generally a good leader can operate at most levels … Of course if I was that "good", I wouldn't have been RIF'd as a CPT at 10+ years.

I know there are Vets that for the most part will agree with much that I post …

Again OVI & SBm +1 each !

Lots of "just so happens" with this "mistake"….YMMV…

I think Waltz has some explaining to do, especially after changing his story about a 'staffer' doing it…

And apparently Goldberg was added by his initials, obscuring his identity.

experts seem to differ.

Yes they generally do. E.g. getting a second opinion is always a good idea.

I believe the Panamanian government has gotten a subscription to The Atlantic in case they need prior warning to any American shenanigans.

So has Denmark and Greenland.

You guys crack me up! 😃😆 What a hoot ! 🤣

Waltz is apparently falling on his sword.

He is taking responsibility for an event that in reality may or may no have been his actual fault.

Telling a code cracker that this code can't be cracked is these days nothing but a challenge, to be settled by beers after work. A Chinese agency assigned that task will undoubtedly get unlimited funding, and more importantly unlimited computing power.
Not unlike Turing getting the very cutest actresses to inspire him. Although, I don't think she inspired him all that much. 🙄

Yes, even LEO use criminal hackers to help them out to catch bigger bad guys.

The Chicoms have 20% of the world's population to choose the talent they need for just about any job. They are Communists as leaders they can use as much $ as they want to pay for anything want. Or they are known for just stealing Tech, etc. too.

As we see with just about any tech/apps/AI, etc., etc. someone, somehow can crack it or are working on it.

Turing wasn't straight, yes ? I didn't see the movie, but I saw some stuff on the History Channel. But in reality I don't care who he was shack'n up with. He was the right man in the right place at the right time. And served not only his nation but the world … 👍

I wonder how many here talking about Signal messaging with such authority have ever actually used it? Based on the comments, I'm guessing not many.

Hell I didn't even know it existed until I saw it in the news. I'm still using a flip phone for God's sake ! My little knowledge about this kind of tech comes from what I see or read in the media.

In the Army decades ago, we just got computers in about '84 ? What I know about encryption is using a CEOI. And our radio secure devises, IIRC, Nestor and Vinson, would be considered stone age today. I'm a troglodyte … 🦍🦧

Can't crack it? Hold my beer. In fact, I'll wager that the CIA cracked it too.

But it wasn't cracked. Somehow someone from the media who shouldn't have been there got on the call list. And investigation is ongoing, IIRC.

YOU may want it to fade away, but to the Democrats and their MSM running dog lackeys, it's a gift from God (who doesn't really exist 🙄). It will run as long as they want it to.

You are totally correct John. In the current political and media environment those who hate the POTUS and any one in his admin, etc. will drag this out until a new POTUS is elected. The questions some of those in Congress asked were nothing more than trolling. Divisive, insulting, etc. Much really didn't have anything to do with getting to the "truth/fact". But it was live on TV, so they said things to get their 15mins. It was political theater, I think they call it. And later tell their BFFs at the bar later, how they really put it to those Trumpsters ! MWWWAHHAA !

If I or any other Soldier or civilian employee did this, we would be fired.

Probably … I'm sure this stuff may happen more often, than we know. And no one hears about it. Tech keeps growing and someone is always trying to hack it. But again it was not hacked the reports are saying …

Accountability is a reasonable expectation of our leaders. it would Accountability is a reasonable expectation of our leaders.

That horse has left the barn a long, long time ago.

It was a stupid mistake….but one with some very odd coincidences:
1. Phone with a number not put there by the organizer (so he says)…
2. Added to the group with no one vetting…
3. Just so happens to be a "journalist"….quotes intended…
4. Just so happens to be a fierce critic of the current leadership….
5. Just so happens to be a fierce defender of the other political party, regardless of stance…..

Lots of "just so happens" with this "mistake"

I think you may be on to something. A lot of things had to fall in place for this new GOP target that the Dems and media could butcher like a fat Holiday Turkey. Live on TV ! With the vitriolic hatred, obsession, etc. many in Congress and the media carry with them. I wouldn't put it past someone, somehow to engineer this. E.g. the Russian dossier …

Stultus populus facere stultus errata!

I didn't see that on the menu ?

Oh and before we all forget, because many in Congress and media have already … This op killed a bunch of bad guys and blew up a lot of stuff. Something that the last POTUS & admin wouldn't do it seems.

"And apparently Goldberg was added by his initials, obscuring his identity."

"JG? Oh, I thought we were including Jeff Goldblum…!"

;-)