"9 hard truths about the Ukrainian war" Topic

My opinion and only me speaking for no one else…Hanson hits me on the head…the most annoying, self righteous, pompous and angry guy on the right. A know it all who knows some things but not all…

Even when he makes a good point I am too put off by him to stick with his argument. That's on me, I know.

Ukraine will be in NATO as US will be to broke to stay in. Hell it's threats only last a day, cave in on day one with Canada, and that's the second time it's been paused, so how come he did not see this coming, he's just not up to it, infinite pauses means no tariffs.

Repeated comment from another site that is on target:

"A small reality check for those who feel the hype: Macron gutted the French military on day one, Johnson and Sunak purged British servicemen with DEI policies, and Germany was [wrongly] predicted to have the strongest army in Europe upon Scholz announcing new budgets in response to Putin's invasion.

Worst of all: France and the UK, despite possessing WMDs, no longer have nuclear triad capabilities.

Each have chronic recruitment problems, their citizens wracked by powerful anti-patriotic indoctrination, while endemic racial tensions are grievously simmering below the surface. And these are the ones you're supposed to take seriously with doing a sudden about-face in the geostrategic arena? They had numerous opportunities, and much more perilous days to jumpstart this kind of action on their part. They're certainly not doing any of this for Ukraine, or regional security, to them a strong America under Trump is much more threatening than anything else. That's what this is really about."

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"Russia is a state with a thousand-year history."

It is Ukraine. Russia have only 300 years, most of them under pRussians and criminals.

Sho Boki
Please explain. Are you discounting Rus?

I'd say at least since

"In 1547, the Grand Duchy of Moscow proclaimed the Tsardom of Russia"

Rus and Russia are like Honor and Gonorrhoea, like Ukrainians say.
Muscovites rulers pretended to be anyhing – Third Rome, Second Byzantium, Israel, Rus. They were finno-ugric, conquered and ruled at first by slavic Rus (Ukrainians) and then by Turks (Golden Horde).

When muscovites won civil war in Golden Horde and conquered Ukraine, then they proclaimed an empire and voluntarily renamed themselves and their empire to Velikorossians. Not Russia but Rossia, like they are up to today. Rossia was the name of Rus (modern Ukraina) in Greek language. And only 90 years ago Stalin renamed them from Velikorosses to Russians and started to create the soviet people from them.

So yes, modern Russians are Russians only 90 years and live in Russia (Rossia) only 300 years. Before that they were Muscovites from Muscowy and history of Rus and Rossia is someone else's history. That is precisely why the Russians are trying to conquer Ukraine now, to reappropriate a foreign history again.

Trump has now cut the provision of military intel to Ukraine and has forbidden the U.K. to pass on American intel. This must be saving us tens of dollars. Hopefully not too many Ukrainians will be killed.

But KGB agent Krasnov want Ukrainians to be killed and after them most of Europeans. Like German agent Lenin killed millions of people and surrended Rossia to Germany. And after that he tried to conquer Italy, but Miracle in Visla stopped him.

Well the POTUS seems to be in touch with the US majority.

Subject: (((Harry Enten))) on X: "A little bit of a reality check for some: -Trump's net approval on Russia/Ukraine (+2) is far more positive than Biden's was by the end (-22). -The share (31% to 50%) who want a compromise in the war is way up -The share who say Russia is an enemy is way down (64% to 34%). t.co/z6k0x6A1yn / X


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Trump has now cut the provision of military intel to Ukraine and has forbidden the U.K. to pass on American intel. This must be saving us tens of dollars. Hopefully not too many Ukrainians will be killed.

"That's a lovely country you have. Darn shame if something happened to it. Now let's talk about minerals."

I'm quite amazed how empty the doghouse is….

Well the POTUS seems to be in touch with the US majority.

It all depends on who is doing the polls, doesn't it?
Mark Twain said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." Obviously polls come in under that.

"It all depends on who is doing the polls, doesn't it?" 🤔

Well the first was CNN and this one CBS. Not exactly bastions of positivity for the current POTUS.

Subject: Poll on Trump's 2025 joint address to Congress finds large majority of viewers approve – CBS News


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UshCha, NATO without the US is a body without a spine… A shapeless pile of flesh.

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NATO without the US is a body without a spine

Does not matter, if the EU, with most of it being in NATO, the Russian military demonstrated repeatedly how poor it was at modern combined arms warfare. With the Russians rebuilding their severe attrition at the hands of Ukraine. Who would Russia invade. The Baltic States, Poland, the Ukraine again ? Never under or overestimate your enemies … But at one time we thought the USSR and it's WP allies' hordes would be devastating.

I'm thinking with the things e.g. the UK and France are saying … along with other members of the EU. The New Russian military may remain the "paper bear" it is.

I wonder who and when demonstrated themselves to be better than the Russian army in a modern combined arms operation against an enemy of comparable technical equipment?)))

35th these polls are mostly telling us how Repubs feel about Trump. Less than half of independents watched the speech and only one in five Dems. I think we already knew what his fans thought.

"I wonder who and when demonstrated themselves to be better than the Russian army in a modern combined arms operation against an enemy of comparable technical equipment?)))"

Vietnam?…

Afghanistan?…

Any country in the world who fought for being independent against a powerful foreign ruler?…

Anyone… and I maintain that anyone… who has the slightest knowledge of military strategy, tactics or militar theory… will confirm, without a doubt, that the performance of the Russian Army in this current war has been more than pitiful… savage and uncontrolled towards the civilian population (as has been its custom throughout history)… more than poor military leadership in whatever spheres are sought… repetition of the old outdated tactic of sending as many soldiers to their deaths as possible until the enemy runs out of bullets… horrible use of technology in whatever area you look at it… very poor performance on the battlefield… despite its well-known and sold as a very powerful military industry… dependent on what its new allies like China or North Korea give it… humiliating attitude depending on foreign troops to defend its own homeland… a monumental failure and loss of respect worldwide… anything else?

Armand

Tango, in what technical area were the Vietnamese or Afghans superior to their opponents? And since Vietnam, military affairs have changed significantly – half a century has passed, a different life, different technologies.

The Ukrainians were superior to the Russians in reconnaissance, targeting and communications throughout the war due to the fact that the Russians avoided shooting down Western satellites and reconnaissance aircraft.

The Ukrainian operational supply lines were shorter and more effective than the Russians (the Russians operated along the "outer rim of the ring"; the Ukrainians – along the inner). That is, logistics for the Russians was much more difficult than for the Ukrainians.

The Ukrainian army was supplied with money, weapons, mercenaries, trained and controlled in many ways by NATO military and at the expense of the West.

There was enormous information and financial pressure on Russia and its army.

The actions of the Russian army, although far from flawless, were effective and productive. If the Russian army had failed, the parade of victors in Abrams would have already passed through Red Square))) And in the White House they would have flogged not Zelensky, but some Navalny-2…

Russia now has the best army in the world. It was a "paper tiger" on the eve of this war. And now the Russian and Ukrainian armies are the only ones with experience of a real big war. All the others have only been chasing savages through the mountains and deserts)))

If we are so weak, then why hasn't NATO come and driven the Russian bear into its den yet?))) And why is Europe's pants wet?

The return of the Charge on Horseback by the best army in the world…

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Armand

I inform you that there are mountain rifle units in the Russian army. These are three mountain motorized rifle brigades, the 33rd, 34th and 8th brigades. And all of them have horses and transport mules as standard.

But your link was funny and made me laugh)))

Nice pics… but I assume they are not who charge in the frontlines…

As a lover and owner of horses… What race do the ones in the photo belong to?

I feel very sorry for the little donkeys… it would be better if they were used for children to ride in the squares.

So happy I made you laugh… from my Russian acquaintances here I understand that in Russia people don't laugh too much

Armand

In your video, I also did not see the cavalry galloping into the attack)))
Sorry – I did not mean to offend you. But it is quite strange for a normal person not to understand that you are being shown and told an outright lie. Russia is a country that produces spaceships, nuclear power plants, icebreakers … and much more. Do you really think that it cannot produce trucks? And we have hundreds of thousands of trucks in storage since the Soviet era. In different places in the country, a reserve was made in case of World War III. Of course, these are old machines, but after some repairs they will perform their function quite well. There is a lot of stuff there. Suddenly you will need it))) The article talks about a Belarusian storage base, but there are many exactly the same ones in Russia. I just couldn't find a detailed story about them:

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Horses of local breeds are used. Those that are accustomed to the conditions of their use. In Siberian units, there are even camels. You have seen.

Yes, Russians do not like to smile at strangers. But we smile at friends and good humor. If a Russian smiles at you, it means he is truly glad to see you.

who has the slightest knowledge of military strategy, tactics or militar theory… will confirm, without a doubt, that the performance of the Russian Army in this current war has been more than pitiful

No truer words were ever spoken. FWIW having been an evaluator and evaluated as a Rifle Plt Ldr and Mech Co Cdr, etc. Vlad you and your military have failed to even accomplish the most basic tasks of a modern combined arms army.

I think some of my old NCOs would have simply said something like … "Dude … you suck. Look for another line of work. Cause you a cluster as this military stuff!" …

BTW, US SF used horses at times in A'stan. They adapted to the situation. Overcame the obstacles, etc. When working in a 3d World 💩⚪. But not as Cav per se, but transportation. Why walk when you can ride ?

But the US only has horse in any organization for D&C, funerals, etc. E.g. the US Army's 3d Rgt of Infantry, "The Old Guard". You see them at Arlington, in DC, etc.

I agree John. I wouldn't take X, run by Musk the co-president,
as a good source for accurate information. Look at some of the more main respected polls and Trump is not doing well.

Grattan they were polls from CBS and CNN, only reported on X by posters there. You can do the research on the web.

I know it's hard to believe, but right now the anti Potus/Musk group, are in the minority. Of course you won't believe that if you are watching only the anti Trump MSM.

I'm sorry Grattan, but:

"I wouldn't take X, run by Musk the co-president,"

The "Co-President" remark, tells me that is exactly what you are watching or reading. It is one of their main talking points and has been since he was elected.

Also let us say, you live in Madison. You will be hearing anti potus too. I go through there almost yearly and there is a liberal perspective there. I assume due to it being the home of UW and the Capital with lots of government workers. Same with the city of Columbus here . Not their suburban areas as much.

I've told Tort this, try reading through the "Citizens Free Journal" daily as an offset to the MSM. I'd say Fox, but that like placing a cross in front of a vampire for some. 🧛‍♂️ 😉

Grattan example of my point with "the accepted media".

Subject: UK journalist who blew whistle on BBC Gaza documentary: ‘I caught them in bed with Hamas' | The Times of Israel


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Grattan – on advice of 35th, I have done this! The Citizens' Free Press has a ton of articles on conservative points of view. Some are radical, many not. Its a good way to understand how the right is thinking about various things, and not just the MAGA crowd.

Thanks Tort.

It's links to other sources, many MSM. Tort, You might find the current one on Congress interesting. Views of both democrats and republicans on congress itself.

Ya know, youse guys just wish that YOUR favorite media were the Mainstream Media. If they agreed with your righteous opinions, you would be happy as a clam, and fine. But they don't, so they're evil.

But they do agree with your views? So are you happy? 🤔 It Honestly does not seem to be so.

What have I said here, many times?
"I got tired of the lies on Fox, so I switched to the lies on CNN."
Note that I never even considered MSNBC. 😄

I get really tired of the "Oh, but it's only recently that The Media has become so bitter and decisive!" Nonsense.
Go back to the Hamilton and Jefferson press wars. And the press going back far before that. And the press before, during and after the Civil War. And the Yellow Press. Pulitzer? Don't make me laugh. He was the worst.

Pick your Media, and be honest to yourself that they are feeding you the lies you like.

No the media has always been bias…. But….

Never as one sided as today.

On TV you have Fox

Then all the rest. (All anti Potus). He is and was correct about that.

That's why the TDS crowd hate X so much. It took away their monopoly of the social media platforms.

At least the Earp/Cowboy controversy, their media split down the middle. We on the "correct side" 😉 would be ecstatic with a 50-50 split! When Murdoch dies, even what we have will probably be gone.

OVI +1

John, John, John … so bitter …

Really easy to prove

Just looking at 2024 election coverage and endorsements alone

Subject: TV Hits Trump With 85% Negative News vs. 78% Positive Press for Harris


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Nice breakdown

Subject: News media endorsements in the 2024 United States presidential election – Wikipedia


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I feel sorry for you cultists.
Don't come crying to me when it all disintegrates.

I think you may be focusing to much on traditional news outlets.
Basically, anyone under 35 is not watching them anymore. There on online sites and blogs and other forms of "news" media today. These new ones have much much more conservative
thought and views.

I feel sorry for you cultists.

Cultists ? I don't see no stink'n cultists !

Don't come crying to me when it all disintegrates.

Disintegrates ? What ? Now we are being invaded by actual aliens ? 👽 🛸

Instead of illegal aliens from Central & South America, Africa, etc., etc. …? 🌎🌍

I think what John is saying that for those of us who don't always support Trump his followers, not saying this applies to anyone here, come off looking like a cult. There is this total absolute acceptance of anything he says or does. Trump says it and that makes it true. I have seem numerous images, songs and paintings comparing him to Christ, They call him God ordained and chosen by God to rule over the US. Totally ignored is his scandal ridden life and his constant lying. I, for one, have never seen another politician have to sort of ardent support. Trump once said he could kill someone and his supporters would still stand by him. I believe that. Thus, it does feel like a cult.

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Seems to me, those who oppose him are much closer to a real cult. They repeat the same lines, drink the anti Trump kool-aid.

If the POTUS admin ended cancer, they would say:

"They should die, and decrease the surplus population."

If he accomplished world peace, they would complain: "Now how will those who relied on the arms industry, support their families!?"

Nothing will be good enough nor fast enough.

They are even becoming more and more unhinged and violent by the day.
Listen to this guys definition of what free speech means in the 2nd link.

Subject: Anger at Elon Musk hits Tesla with violence, vandalism in protest – The Washington Post

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Subject: Brookline PD on X: "We are looking to identify this suspect who was seen tagging Tesla vehicles with Elon Musk decals. When confronted the suspect claimed he has the right to deface the property of others because it's his "free speech." Contact Detective Ryan McCarthy 617-730-2710 with any info. t.co/OWLXPJI9Bb / X

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Subject: Pro-Palestine Group Vandalizes Trump Golf Course Over President's Gaza Stance | OutKick

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Subject: Fwd: Secret Service shot armed man in confrontation near White House | CNN Politics

Subject: Secret Service shot armed man in confrontation near White House | CNN Politics

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Not good, but nobody getting hurt, at least. But I am afraid that may come next. People are feeling disempowered, just as they right did after the 2020 election.

Musk is uber rich and he appears to have bought his way into unelected power..not even vetted by Congress like others in the Executive branch. He has blatant conflict of interest issues on several levels with large government contracts, some being investigated. But most of the people who bought Tesla's were not thinking of that and they don't deserve this in any case.

"Totally ignored is his scandal ridden life and his constant lying"

You could apply this to many American politicians including ones I suspect that you support.

Give that you know absolutely nothing about me I highly doubt you have any idea who I support or what I stand for or believe in.

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Musk is uber rich and he appears to have bought his way into unelected power..not even vetted by Congress like others in the Executive branch. He has blatant conflict of interest issues on several levels with large government contracts, some being investigated. But most of the people who bought Tesla's were not thinking of that and they don't deserve this in any case.

LOL! You misread what's happening. Both Trump and Musk are the products of Democrat-Left actions, they are the reactions to their overreach.

Let's look at Musk -- libertarianish innovator and entrepreneur feels something is off about the Covid narrative and expresses his opinion on Twitter. He's told to shut up and stay in his lane. That pisses him off, so he says so and again expresses his opinions (which were correct, btw), and not only is he told to shut up, he's twitter mobbed and mocked in the Establishment media and people supporting him also got twitter mobbed, and he refused to recant while expressing bewilderment at this rapid change from Green Hero to Zero by the people he thought supported him. Then the Biden admin's actions really pushed him over the edge when they launched a series of government investigations and suits…and then the Biden Admin pointedly excluded Tesla from its high profile EVV initiative.

So he said, OK, fine, game on! F--- all you guys, want to play, fine, let's play!

So he bought Twitter and ended the Twitter-FBI relationship and opened up the Left's personal echo chamber to all comers, where before those with opposing views had been banned and censored. He exposed the FBI relationship with Twitter and other social media firms which was hugely embarrassing and also led to the exposure and cancellation of other Biden Admin censorship programs like their new Department of Homeland Security Disinformation Governance Board…a totally Orwellian move, headed by a young POLITICALLY CONNECTED woman with no real world experience who thought singing a "Misinformation" song to the tune of a Merry Poppin's song was a great idea.

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He exposed an actual, deep threat to Free Speech by the Federal Government.

The response was even more threats and attacks, and the SEC going after his businesses, the FAA slow rolling space launch permits, Democrat-Left organizing boycotts and attacks on him and his businesses.

This prompted Musk to get more political until he joined team Trump and now not only has the Democrat-Left lost power in the social media realm, but DOGE is exposing and trying to end the corrupt abuse of our system that had granted immense power and $$$ to the Democrat-Left establishment.

The Department of Government Efficiency is an OFFICIAL Executive Branch department created by a Presidential Executive Order and given investigation powers. Musk, as the head for now, has NO POWER to do anything except Audit and Report. That's all.

You can read the Executive Order here and see what Doge has been doing for yourself: doge.gov

All of his "controversial" actions are not his actions, he advises the relevant department heads and offers resources, they decide what to do. Sometimes they've moved fast and caused confusion, like the horrible scary email asking federal workers to reply with a 5 bullet point email on what they did last week. Oh no, what a burden to do what most normal company employees do every week, or even daily depending on the company and their role. Well, then the Department heads issued coordination emails after that to clarify and Trump has further clarified his role.

Doge has NO power to fire anyone. So anyone fired is done by the head of the relevant agency, not Doge.

Damn happy we have Doge! So far we've become aware of TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in possible fraud through the application of AI tools that apply Fortune 500 corporate contracting and expense best practices to government spending and contracts.

Like the $4.7 USD TRILLION in expenses with NO DESCRIPTION! Or the $20 USD BILLION in EPA slush funds shoveled out the door before Trump came into office to "environmental consulting firms" that seem to have been created just for this cash -- an undercover reporter recorded an EPA official saying they were basically trying to "shovel as many gold bars off the back of the Titanic as they could before it sunk."

Doge has revealed the most massive, destructive and sustained public theft in human history. And we haven't even really seen the audit trail on the Ukraine War yet have we? Remember Zelensky saying that Ukraine has only gotten $75 USD Billion of the $200 USD+ Billion sent by the US? Where is the missing $100 USD BILLION!?!?!

What's the saying about Payback and all that?

Oh look – another study says that the US Medicare program made $1.1 USD TRILLION in "Improper payments."

A lot of political insiders and cronies have made a LOT of money on the backs of the US taxpayer and driven our country towards debt and insolvency.

I dont disagree with your end result conclusions, SB, about the need for reform. I guess it is our choice to trust or not trust Musk, and I don't believe him or trust him…there is too much info about DOGE incompetence and his obvious conflicts of interest, which have driven his move to involve himself in government, not some sort of patriotic passion. Musk has only just be given the limits you describe after the cabinet heads complained that he didn't know what he was doing and made their jobs difficult.

The immediate firing of all IGs was neither normal, nor justified. These people are more impartial and more competent about how government works than Trump or Musk combined. They went after Biden on hundreds of issues. Getting rid of the watchdogs sounded like a first move toward an authoritarian rule, IMO. The chaotic nature of the current management practices will hopefully settle down. Good things can still happen if the right people are included.

I guess it is our choice to trust or not trust Musk, and I don't believe him or trust him…there is too much info about DOGE incompetence and his obvious conflicts of interest, which have driven his move to involve himself in government, not some sort of patriotic passion.

Sources -- that's a big allegation, can you back it up with more than a gut reaction of you don't like him for reasons?

The immediate firing of all IGs was neither normal, nor justified.

Obama fired Bush-era IGS -- did you freak out about it?

Getting rid of the watchdogs sounded like a first move toward an authoritarian rule, IMO.

YES, because this is what Authoritarians do: Declare that Free Speech is an inviolate Right and dismantle government censorship tools and agencies, and then they bring an outside auditors who bring a level of transparency and accountability to government and who recommend closing down agencies and reducing government power, and then they move to reduce regulations and taxes and promote free market economics… totally an Authoritarian thing to do…

Say, you know what the reaction to DOGE remind me of? The reaction of the Al Capone Mob to the auditors who reviewed their crooked books and ultimately put him in jail.

Capone was able to skirt the law because he was highly adept at shielding his illegal activities from direct proof of involvement -- everything went through middlemen and cut-offs, and people who snitched ended up in a ditch. But when the FBI asked IRS to do an official audit of where Capone's income came from, all the dirt was revealed and he went to the slammer for tax fraud, even if they couldn't get him on his crimes.

And when that audit was happening, do you know what the Capone mob did? They threated the accountants and their families, tried to kill them, harass them, spread malicious slanders about them via paid-off journalists, and forced them into hiding to complete the audit.

Isn't the reaction of the Democrats-Left the SAME as the Capone Mob?? Organized violence against the auditors, death threats, intimidation, malicious slanders being spread in the media, attempts to shut down the audits…

Why is that?