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Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2025 7:22 a.m. PST

There is YouTube series about WWIII. In it the Russian hack out airlines and fake out the altitude info causing planes to crash.

We have had so many recent flight incidents that I hope we looking into the possibility of hack attack.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2025 8:35 a.m. PST

I don't believe so, no. I think all of these are going to be operator error and/or equipment malfunction.

Nine pound round14 Feb 2025 9:36 a.m. PST

I'll go out on a limb: no.

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2025 11:27 a.m. PST

No, apparently the US air traffic control system is so old and creaky (still using manual written strips in a system that was world leading in the 70s but not now) that its a surprise more accidents and near misses don't happen

Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian14 Feb 2025 12:38 p.m. PST

The US ATC system is antiquated and has for years been the subject of denied funding requests. Both parties are guilty of letting the system decay while funding other priorities.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2025 6:51 p.m. PST

Yes I agree with many posted here … US ATC has to get updated into the 21st century. As we she in the news. The US has gov't employees' paper files in a mine 250 ft underground in PA. That started in the '50s. If reports are correct, they are using tech from the last Century.

I think they moved the helicopter flight routes over the river. For now …

Red Jacket Supporting Member of TMP15 Feb 2025 9:32 a.m. PST

I'll put on my tinfoil hat and say that it is possible. There were a number of reports that brother Vlad was spoofing air traffic control in the Baltic Region. There have been unexplained instances where marine traffic has been "spoofed," including GPS issues in the Black Sea. It is easier to chalk navigational problems up to human error when everyone is "convinced" that their electronics are secure. Didn't the Russians demonstrate the ability to interfere with weapon guidance in Ukraine? It strikes me that the modern answer to problem solving of throwing more computers into a system is shortsighted. I believe that anything computerized can be hacked, given the proper motivation.

I seem to recall a James Bond movie with Pierce Brosnan (the best James Bond in my opinion) where the evil genius developed a device that spoofed GPS to try to start a world war. The American character dismissed the claim because American technology was so cutting edge, until he was shown the device. It is that mentality that scares me – "it can't happen to us because we know that we are too smart." That is generally never the case. I hope that our military recognizes that possibility and is prepared.

Nine pound round15 Feb 2025 5:08 p.m. PST

Cui bono?

What on earth would they hope to gain by randomly killing 67 people? It serves no strategic purpose, contributes to no very obvious cause, and, if discovered and proved, would lead to some kind of consequence without any countervailing gain.

Of what possible benefit could this be? I don't doubt Putin would kill far more people if he thought it somehow served his cause, I just don't see how this particular midair collision would do that.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP15 Feb 2025 5:35 p.m. PST

9lbs Rd +1

As I have said before accidents happen by 1) Human Error 2) Equipment Malfunction … in that order.

This sadly appears to be human error …

korsun0 Supporting Member of TMP16 Feb 2025 8:57 p.m. PST

It's not beyond the realm for a bad actor to try and cause problems. In pre internet days it was propping up civil unrest groups or similar. With the cyber capabilities now, attacks are aimed to cause annoyance or steal stuff or close functions down, all on a mass, usually a country. I don't see anyone gaining a result by randomly downing a passenger aeroplane.

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