"Great russian army, attacking on crutches" Topic

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Downright pathetic. Is this what the russian army has been reduced to! Two unarmed men, one on crutches tries to "assault" Ukraininan positions.

I'm waiting for "You know who" to show up and explain how it means that Russia is winning.

Or…

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Next in the line – widows, nuns & orphans plus old men with stomach problems and are hard of hearing.

I'm sure some will say this is all part of Putin's cunning and extensive deception plans …

These soldiers are moving towards Ukrainian lines. So it is ok to engage them. If they want to surrender they can easily do so, tie a white rag around the crutch or stand still and raise your arms. They are actively trying to defeat the drone so they are not unable to defend themselves even if they are injured.

Soon they will be sent to the attack even without crutches, with the order that you take the crutches from the fallen comrades. Old traditions.

I'm not buying it. Those men don't look to me like they're under fire, even when they're throwing planks at the drone.

So the Russians have joined "The Crips"?

Nine pound… there are dozens of video showing how the Russians send their wounded to the front line… even when they surrended they tell what was going on in their Second of the World most Powerfull Army…

Also how the Russians punished their own soldiers because they don't want to go to the meat waves… I have put some of them here…

Not mention the new kind of "vehicles" they have to use in attack…

Note: Nobody knows (even in russia) what happened to the soldiers who return because of the prisioner exchange with the Ukranians because they are sent directly to Belarus for "recovery" without any communication with their families…"

Armand

Are these "Les Invalides"?

Not venturing an opinion on any of that, Tango- it may well be true. What I'm saying is this: after viewing it, this video does not appear to me to show any of the signs I would expect to see in an "assault" on Ukrainian positions.

I didn't see anything that looked to me like defensive fire: no tracers, no little spurts of dust where the bullets hit the ground, no bursting indirect, etc. The men in the picture show none of the urgency of men under fire: to be honest, they sort of look like they're just walking around scavenging. They seem to regard even the drone as more of an annoyance than a threat, for whatever reason.

Does anyone really think it helps the Ukrainian cause to post this, and make claims that are disproved by viewing? I'll accept correction if I missed something, feel free to point it out, but this doesn't appear to me to be a video of an "assault."

We can't really tell direction from the video but it looks to me more like two wounded guys flushed/spooked by the drone and just trying to get away rather than any kind assault.

The premise of any war is that those wounded in combat must be evacuated… depending on their wounds they may or may not recover to return to the front … but the wounded in combat must be fully recovered for that… of course that does not happen when fighting is in a besieged place… which is not what has happened in Ukraine since the fall of Mariupol… therefore… seeing the physical state (not to mention the mental state) of these soldiers, they should be recovering from their wounds in a military hospital in the rear… not dodging drones…

Of course there are exceptions… but when the videos pile up there is no doubt, and even more so when those who manage to surrender tell their story (unless you think they were tortured to say that)… on the other hand there are videos of the Russians themselves who have not yet been sent to fight again complaining that they would do so very soon and how poorly they were treated their wounds…

On the other hand… frontline combat has changed in this war like no other… before Ukraine combat was an exchange of fire between infantry and artillery weapons… now the drones begin the hunt as soon as one shows his face near the enemy defense line… and further back as well…

The only ones who attempted an "old-fashioned" attack were the Koreans… compact groups of infantry advancing at full speed against the Ukrainian positions… they were quickly decimated by the new artillery that with a single projectile slows down to twenty explosions… after that, the remainder was hunted down by the drones… it is estimated that some 4,000 Koreans fell and for the moment they were withdrawn to regroup awaiting more reinforcements from Kim…

I remember when the comments about the behavior of the Russians started on Ultramodern Forum, I criticized that the worst thing about them was the lack of humanity towards their own troops (not to mention the enemy or civilians)… with several other criticisms and friend Cuprum 2 was the only one who happily accepted that point… it seems that it is the norm that the Russian soldier is just something disposable that fulfills a single purpose and it does not matter how or his condition is… I thought that with the centuries that could change… but I see that not at all…

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Armand

All you see here is Ukrainian drones attacking the lightly wounded, who are moving deep in the Russian rear. Thanks to relay drones and "aircraft carriers" (large drones that carry several small drones), ordinary kamikaze drones can penetrate up to 15-20 km behind the front line. That is why they do not have weapons, since the possibility of a clash with the enemy in this area is extremely unlikely.

Looks like this conflict is heading to a resolution with some unexpected outcomes. Information you won't see in the zombie(msm, their dead but still shambling) media.

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From the very beginning of the war I thanked the West for imposing sanctions. It was the best thing that could have happened to Russia. The West returned her economy to her. Despite some difficulties, Russian business received enormous opportunities to develop its own market, captured by foreign companies as a result of the tragedy of the 90s.
Ending a war is much more difficult than starting it… However, the winners and losers in this war have long been clear. Russia will win, the USA will benefit most from this war (as always from a big war in Europe), Ukraine will be defeated (the range of possible consequences here is wide and will depend on many factors), Europe has already lost, having inflicted monstrous damage on its own economy.

Yeah it's all the Wests fault !!!! Cause those were NATO tanks, APCs, etc. crossing the Ukrainian border over 2 years ago …

Nothing about this video suggests that unarmed and wounded soldiers are attacking anyone. Chest puffing and flag waiving aside, Cuprum's explanation is the most probable.

Very good comrade!
Keep saying a lie long enough and people will believe you!

The truth I am sorry to tell you is Russia has become a 3rd rate power from a prewar level of a 2nd rate power.

Russia has lost close to a million men and has a declining economy. Even if the war ended today, it would take 30+ years for Russia to recover.

The West will rebuild Ukraine. Perhaps China will help Russia, But who knows what it will cost you?

Despite some difficulties

Like 7.5% inflation, 21% interest rates, at best a 2.1% GDP growth on a tiny denominator and running out of what was once a very large currency reserve by September 2025?

Like losing 50%+ of the Black Sea fleet and losing so many troops as to need North Korean help?

Like seeing NATO grow by adding Finland and Sweden while suddenly 75% of NATO countries are hitting the 2% GDP target for defense spending with a genuine trend toward 3.5%.

And they say the Brits have a talent for dry understatement.

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Armand

McKinstry, for a country that has been fighting for the third year against half the world (directly or indirectly) and is under sanctions unprecedented in history, this is an outstanding result that we can be proud of)))
Note that Russia has no national debt, unlike most Western countries. All these losses will be quickly and more than made up for after the war is over.
We will restore our country and our part of Ukraine ourselves. We have enough resources. And plus you will return to us the money you stole)))
The Black Sea Fleet suffered 50% losses only in your dreams – I recently gave a visual diagram of real losses here somewhere. They are serious, but the very concept by which this fleet was created is outdated. Time changes everything))) We will build a new fleet – on other principles.
The number of Koreans who perform allied duty on the territory of Russia, according to Western (!) estimates, is from 9 to 12 thousand people. The warring Russian group numbers about 700 thousand people. Do you really think that the Koreans are seriously deciding anything? They are just gaining experience in modern warfare.
Do you mean NATO, which is now discussing a possible war between the USA, Denmark and Canada? I congratulate Sweden and Finland on their choice))) The population of their countries will now feel much calmer, knowing that Russian nuclear missiles are now aimed at their cities)))
What difference does it make what your defense spending is, if no one is going to wage a conventional war with NATO? If this war starts, it will be a nuclear war. And victory in it will not differ much from defeat. Do you want Armageddon? Well, let's go to war.

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JMcCarroll – naive young man)))

McK +1

Like seeing NATO grow by adding Finland and Sweden while suddenly 75% of NATO countries are hitting the 2% GDP target for defense spending with a genuine trend toward 3.5%.

Yes Putin and his intel proved to be very faulty. From underestimating Ukraine's Combat Forces. And then concerned about NATO moving East. NATO gained two new members since Putin's invasion. Plus NATO was awakened … an old enemy raised his head in Europe. NATO decided the would have none of that … NATO was created to stop the "Red Hordes" crossing the IGB. Well things have changed greatly. Many of the USSR's WP allies now belong to NATO. Hmmm ?

Some would say … Vlad, you and your boys ed up … big time …

Tango +1

The only ones who attempted an "old-fashioned" attack were the Koreans… compact groups of infantry advancing at full speed against the Ukrainian positions… they were quickly decimated by the new artillery that with a single projectile slows down to twenty explosions… after that, the remainder was hunted down by the drones… it is estimated that some 4,000 Koreans fell and for the moment they were withdrawn to regroup awaiting more reinforcements from Kim…

Back in '84-'85 when I was in the ROK for 22 months with the 2ID. We expected similar tactics from the North if the truce was broken and things got hot. Albeit we didn't have drones. But a lot of FA, CAS and Gunships …

All these losses will be quickly and more than made up

How about some hard data to prove that contention. A relatively poor GDP (a bit behind France at $2.24 USD Trillion), defense as an unsupportable long term percentage of GDP(nearly 6%) and a resource export dependent economy in addition to inflation(7.5%), a declining population exacerbated by the war (population has declined every year since 1972), and an autocratic centrally run economy regarded by virtually the entire planet as a kleptocracy.

If a not insignificant portion of the budget ends up in the oligarchs pockets, rebuilding will be glacial.

Let's compare this with the economy of another warring country – Ukraine. And everything will fall into place. You need to compare comparable things. In addition, the situation that you described is a situation under conditions of powerful sanctions. When the war is over, the sanctions will be lifted to a large extent and the Russian economy will grow significantly.
The structure of the economy should also change, since Russia is already actively replacing the products of departed Western companies with its own production. Those industries that were forgotten for thirty years are being revived (for example, electronics, shipbuilding, etc.). Yes – at first these will be military technologies, but they will immediately go into the production of goods for other purposes.
The problem of population decline is typical for almost all European countries. But as a result of this war, Russia received an increase in population (along with the annexation of new territories), and not a decline.
The economy of communist China turned out to be more effective than the US economy. What kleptocracy are you talking about? A combination of market and centralized management methods is much more effective than a pure market (and absolute planning). Otherwise, inside large corporations, various workshops would trade with each other on market terms))) The state is essentially a large multi-industry corporation.
Corruption in Russia is no greater now than in the West.
If Western analysts had even a remotely objective idea of ​​Russia, there would have been a different president here long ago, or a dozen new states would have existed on Russian territory)))

So no data merely opinion.

Claiming stolen headcount before the war ends is a bit specious but don't forget to include the 300,00+ Russians that fled rather than fight plus the current population of Ukrainian occupied Kursk.

Given that war has not ended any estimates of sanction relief is pure guesswork as is any estimate of the ability to find new markets or recoup old ones. Russia remains essentially an oil export dependent economy and given the new Administration's focus on energy production and the EU weaning themselves off Russian oil and gas, the long term price of a barrel of oil is unlikely to offer much in the way of salvation. Selling Hungary and Serbia gas won't pay the bills and both China and India won't go back to pre-war pricing. What shreds of reputation remains for Russian weaponry won't make much of a difference either without favorable financing which Russia cannot afford, not to mention a cozy relationship with economic basket case Iran pretty much locks Russian weapons out of the free spending Sunni states.

"Corruption in Russia is no greater now than in the West…."

I had to be hospitalized for a tremendous fit of laughter upon reading this… my jaw had to be repositioned…

Armand

McKinstry, at first there were 800 thousand people who fled. They are returning. But not everyone is allowed back.

If you look closely at the territories of the Kursk region that are occupied by Ukraine, you will see that there is only one small town there – Sudzha, whose population before the war was only five thousand people. After the start of the war and Ukrainian shelling, many people went deep into Russia. These are sparsely populated territories. According to Russian estimates, there are currently about 2 thousand people in the Ukrainian occupation. Just for information.

As for sanctions – this depends on how persistent Europe will be in destroying its own competitiveness. It will be interesting to see – which industry will collapse next?)))

Actually, the portfolio of import orders for Russian weapons has grown by 10% since 2022))) Everyone can see that BOTH sides in the conflict are fighting well with Russian/Soviet weapons, and Western weapons have not proven themselves to be anything special at a much higher cost.

Tango01, I find it funny too. And Trump is laughing with us)))

McK +1