Help support TMP


"Guardships - what exactly were they?" Topic


5 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

Remember that you can Stifle members so that you don't have to read their posts.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the Age of Sail Message Board


Areas of Interest

Renaissance
18th Century
Napoleonic
19th Century

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Ruleset

To the Sound of the Guns


Rating: gold star gold star gold star gold star 


Featured Workbench Article

Homemade Palm Trees

Dervel Fezian returns from Mexico with a new vision for making palm trees from scratch.


Featured Profile Article


Featured Book Review


505 hits since 8 Feb 2025
©1994-2025 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

NotNelson08 Feb 2025 4:31 a.m. PST

What exactly was the role of a Guardship? Some ships, even as large as 1st Rates, were assigned to this role for part of their careers. It appears that their role was limited to a geographical area or port but I assume that as they are not described as 'Guardhulks' or Floating Batteries that they remained able to put to sea. Presumably it would have been unnecessary to fully equip the vessel with stores if it was not making long sea voyages but did they reduce the crew or reduce the armament? Did they have any role in providing and accommodating crews for guard boats for the harbour or providing sentries for the port?

Woollygooseuk08 Feb 2025 9:24 a.m. PST

From what I've read they're tricky to pin down because they didn't have an exact role – or rather the term could be applied to ships fulfilling a number of roles.

As best I can tell active fleet ship through to hulk was more a spectrum than a clear-cut hierarchy. As such 'guardship' could include ships expected to go sea and ships not expected to sail.

A role seems to have been as a ready reserve for local defence. All navies of the era appear to play the bureaucratic numbers vs economy games during peacetime, and many of the ships listed in the fleet would actually have been 'in ordinary': no crew, de-stored, possibly even de-gunned and de-masted. It would take months to get them back to active status so guardships fulfilled an intermediate state as at least partially crewed & stored and able to sail in a few days for local operations.

Another significant consideration until steam came along was prevailing or fickle winds preventing the main fleet from coming to the rescue. I read of one case where a ship waited 4 weeks to get out of Portsmouth! Certainly for the British a French fleet sweeping down on Plymouth & Falmouth whilst much of the fleet were held up at Spithead and Chatham seems to have been a significant concern.

Finally, given the ships were there they'd undoubtedly pick up extra duties as some or all of flagship/headquarters, training ship, receiving ship, stores ship, etc.

NotNelson08 Feb 2025 9:41 a.m. PST

OK, so I was sort of in the right area in my thinking – thanks!

138SquadronRAF08 Feb 2025 12:07 p.m. PST

Dr Alexander Clarke gives you an explaination here in his, um, idiosyncratic style here:

YouTube link

NotNelson09 Feb 2025 2:42 a.m. PST

Ha – interesting style but informative! One point I would make though is that British Napoleonic ships were not entirely uncrewed when In Ordinary – the ships retained a number of key senior rates like the Carpenter etc.

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.