"The Gorge spoilers" Topic

Can't find my original topic, if it was one, so I'll pull a dunderbar instead.

Yes, The Gorge spoilers…

So, from the trailer, it appears that the plane is Pegasus, oh, didn't you know?

Well you'll fall off you seat when I tell you the Delorean from back to the future is as well. Ever wonder why a Delorean? It has wings!

So, the plane is shaddowfax, sorry, Pegasus.

Of course, the hero rides it, carrying Medusa's head, sun, lightning, what have you, to "light our darkest hour", hmm… is that another one? Calibos, Megatron/Galvatron, hmm…

Back on track boy.

In the trailer we only see an old man and a woman on the plane.

So, if that's out hero, like what!?

Exactly.

I had expected the sniper chick to be sigorney Weaver. But if that's the hero on the plane, then it's the wrong wrong way round, unless they are going wokey pokey and she's the hero?

He is given the "welcome to edoras" speach, so I'm assuming he's Gabe.

Yeah, gotta watch cliff hanger next.

So what is Medusa's head? A bomb? A gun? And what is the kraken?

I feel the snow men are white wizards. As Aragon has one and so does, oh I don't know, Grima!

I'm not sure where everyone's favourite owl Gimli fits in yet, as I can't see a short metal guy in the trailer.

But I now have Pegasus locked in with the plane. It's white, it has wings, you can fly in it.

Calibos. Taking aim at Pegasus? Or is she wokey pokey Perseus about to capture it? Or the two scenes are not actually in the correct place at all?

Honestly she looks a bit like a grizzled ranger of Gondor to me. "It's the beards."

But who is on that plane is perhaps key.

Either one of the two people or a tower will die. Like the lone pine mall/Isengard.

Who is the old man who is initially a monster/dead? Perhaps the black guy? He has Gandalf's "welcome to edoras" line.

Does he help him capture the plane like doc helped Marty get the Delorean?

But what are they doing if he's meant to be at a tower?

There is a film called don't tell mum the babysitters dead. If you see the trailer you think your going to see a film about kids at home mucking around. If you see the film its something about an intern.

The Gorge trailer is doing similar, I suspect. They may not get to the towers for a while, like edoras or the chicks tower in ancientgreekville. Yeah I know legalas stole Gandalf's "welcome to edoras" in clash of the titans (80s, of course. Well, like da) but what you gonna do?

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Hands are important.

Calibos hand cut off. Marty's fading hand, the white hand, Marvin Berry's cut hand.

The Gorge has the hand on the ledge, hands on the windows.

Something tells me I won't be watching the Gorge for a few years.

Sorry, old man, don't understand your lingo …

I would like to know what he's smoking, so I can avoid it.

Same old same old

Speaking of the three witches.

Been watching Two Towers and clash of the titans.

Seeing the girly boy and creepy wizard geting married was not quite what I had in mind, but does suggest many surprises ahead. Hopefully more to my taste.

Actually I think elf boy gets used as a girl a few times. Or vice versa??

This is one of the best starts I've seen.

Perseus and eomer both putting on the helmet and disappearing was nice.

Lines up very well.

With the gorge I'm thinking nuclear bomb on the plane??

Also perhaps the plane lands near the chicks tower?? Perhaps she captures it then uses it to take a bomb somewhere.

But that's no good. No one else rides Pegasus. Except Jennifer at the end of back to the future. and the plane has 2 on board, plus crew. Although I'd count crew as part of it. (I suspect the dog in the Delorean was actually the baby in the sea.)

Pegasus, the Delorean and shaddowfax were hidden at one point in a cage or such. This may suggest a hanger.

I'm thinking sigorney Weaver as the old man, black guy as the friend.

Oh, yes. The creepy guy spying on the princess in the tower. George, calibos, Grima.

Either that's the guy in the other tower, but probably not, or the monster. You see his hand, so maybe it's cut off like calibus.

Still no idea who the owl is, snowman? Photo on wall? He's supposed to fall out of a tree (or deliberately off a horse). He talks to pretty much only the hero and is carried by his friend. Possibly something the black guy has maybe radios between the two? That would probably work, he can talk to it and the friend could carry it.

The owl also attacks and basically defeats someone who imprisoned the princess, George v biff, owl v vulture, Gimli v Grima.

They are also similar, but smaller than their opponents. School boys, birds, chaps?

I don't see a snowman fighting anyone. Unless it's used to put out a fire. Which are both elements.

Perhaps a radio could jam a bigger one?

Perhaps it's the black guy and he beats a guard at the girls tower?

It would be helping to rescue her or, like the owl, Pegasus, the plane. Remember also that Gimli was perhaps rescuing Rohan as much Eowyn, thus the horse symbolically.

There's a story wanting to develop there.

I'll throw a few other knowns at it.

I'm forgetting bits of back to the future, so that's due a watch.

Interesting factoid. Jailbird Joey. The vulture with a cage. The black hunched Grima.

Is this the one with Anya Taylor-Joy? Hubba Hubba!

I'm going to have to use google translate. Does anyone have a suggested "from" language?

Gibberish?

"Anya Taylor-Joy"

Sorry born about 15 years too late.

I guess I can understand the ignorance of the others. I only cottoned on a few years ago myself.

It's like I've come down the hill with an armful of stone tablets or something.

Back on track.

I may have mentioned Pegasus being shaddowfax,and, aragons horse. I believe they have a change over at edoras when Gandalf leaves and then Aragon leaves in another direction.

Chiasmically, as only shaddowfax is shown first, they split at edoras, then they are both at helms deep.

If aragons horse is the gifted one then that changes things, but I bet it would still resolve itself.

Aragon gets wet.

I suspect this may be the shower scene in The Gorge. Mostly because it's the only wet scene shown? and it has our assumed hero. Perhaps he's falling in love with the girl??

Assumed hero. As Perseus/Pegasus is split between Gandalf and Aragon, it's possible that the same may occur between our tower folk in The Gorge. Just to complicate things.

(PS. Not sure now. It's really Pegasus that's split, although Gandalf flies down with the sun at the end. But then Aragon flies across the bridge. So maybe both are split after all.

Of course Gimli the owl helps out by blowing the horn. "The Horn of Helm Hammerhand will sound in the deep, one last time!" So a metal hand, like a metal owl grabbing Medusa's head, will sound in the deep, or act in the ocean, one last time, well it is his last major act. Interesting)

For Dagwood.

Trying to plot the upcoming film the Gorge by looking at related films.

The Gorge has two towers, a flying white thingy with wings, lots of hands, and a bunch of stuff.

This places it with the two towers, back to the future, and clash of the titans. Which seem to play well together.

Perhaps cliffhanger, Rambo 3, too, I'm yet to check. No doubt many more.

Thorough these films it should be possible to plot The Gorge.

The end of the 3 films all have a hero on his flying mount bringing with him a pre told powerful thing which defeats the pre told enemy.

The mount being Pegasus. White with wings.

The pre telling of the enemy is the head of the goddess telling folk of the girls sacrifice in 30 days (isn't it team America with "in exactly 5 minutes" or something?). It would likely be doc telling Marty they need a great power source for the Delorean. The knowledge of the coming of the army of Isengard.

The for telling of the weapon. The witches telling of Medusa's head, the revelation of the lightning on the clock tower, Gandalf telling Aragon "Look to my coming on the first light of the fifth day, at dawn look to the east."

Look, look. East.

Perseus looked in the shield. Then cut east. Interesting.

The chick in The Gorge looks through a sight, then the shell is east. Just saying.

They both pick up the dropped object.

The shell is metal, Goldy coloured. There are a lot of guns. Used for communication…

You know where I'm going.

Perhaps the guns are the owl?? Just an idea, but worth further thought.

She should place the shell in something red. But perhaps it's the bullet placed in a bloody wound?

Perhaps after she picks up the shell (I still get the feeling it hadn't actually fired and had been tampered with, just my gut), then at the plane someone checks the guy? And mentions or looks at the bullet in a bloody wound. The target would probably have had to be in contact with the witches eye.

However the witches said that the proximity of the eye allowed the red cape? To protect Perseus from Medusa's blood.

This perhaps the target actually had a bullet proof vest, granted by the witches.

So no red cape then? I'll keep looking.

Spoiler Alert: They don't serve peanuts on the plane (something about allergies) so nobody dies from those… ;-)

It's like at school when kids don't want to learn. Once they are mature enough they start to understand, but by then it's often too late.

Sheesh, the film out in less than 2 weeks. I ain't got that long to wait!

I'm thinking this at the moment:

Jumping into the gorge/being in there, is crossing the styx on the way to helms deep.

Not sure on the payment as yet.

Once there the hero sees the face of death, aka a face of styx, aka the skull in the tree. (I'd say the hobbits journey on tree beard through the forest is the journey with the ferry man across the styx. Styx/sticks, get it? Also perhaps the urukhi trip, payment? One leaf.)

The 2 headed dog, warg riders, are perhaps the lurking monster in the gorge???

Then wer are into Medusa's lair with looking through a site and killing east, dropping shell, picked up.

Then perhaps someone checking a bullet wound at the plane. Like Perseus bagging the head.

Calibos stabbing the head to make scorpions??? May be guards at the plane?

Getting the owl to get Pegasus may be the black guy flying the plane, if he's the owl, or using a radio on the plane??

Then it's flying off to kill the Titan. Whatever that is.

The snowmen:

The only ?? scene in two towers with 2 white things facing off? The battle between Gandalf and sauroman in the halls of edoras. One with Grima, one with Arogon. I have to check, but one should have a friend and the owl with them.

I believe this the scene with the two gods, Zeus turning calibos into an ugly chap. As opposed to Gandalf doing the reverse to the king.

PS

Checking the trailer.

Can't see the friend and owl with snowmen, at this point.

When he falls, looks like someone blew op the cable anchor point. Possibly a rocket launcher or such. Maybe that heavy gun he was using.

The kraken made Perseus fall. Warg leader, sent by sauroman made Aragon fall. So it's possibly an agent of the bad leader making him fall. Could be the gun used via remote?? Or just a chap using it or another weapon.

I'm feeling the black guy is the old man.

The photo is the guys father? As Perseus saw Zeus in the shield, which was a gift, like a photo left there.

Funny also the riders of Rohan have Aragon in a circle of steel, when Gimli is told to be a son, and the riders gift them horses.

I'm feeling the biblical story is to do with the father, the son and the holy Ghost. Gandalf, Aragon and Gimli/ the old guy, Perseus, the owl/doc, Marty, George. Of course they all cut other ways, as God is both the father and the son or such like.

Think I 'll give it a miss, not my thing.

PS should have been "banter" rather than "lingo". Misquoted, there.

And in other news, there are only seven stories, the others are all just variants.

Or we could skip the intermediaries and read Propp's "Morphology of the Folk Tale."

Yes!

Thanks for the positive input.

There are apparently larger lists of story types also.

I feel I was hitting the hero's journey.

However, why does it have to have Pegasus? Why couldn't a hero just walk, for example?

There is definitely more deliberate copying going on, as you find many scenes in films are spot on duplicates. That's more than just following a similar story line.

Still, I feel I'm on the right track (or getting there) with the Gorge, as far as the trailer will allow.

Are you ok HMan?

Are you still offering painting service?

Is this the script that won The Black List award in 2020? ( Previous winners include the ORIGINAL Ellison script for "City On The Edge Of Forever" ).

It sounded fascinating then.

"Are you ok HMan?

Are you still offering painting service?"

Yes, and yes.

Thanks for asking.

I have a cat scan coming up. Apparently a piece of bone came off the side of my foot. So I'm dressed like Michael Jackson at the moment.

Luckily it wasn't my hand! Got an Ork army to paint.

People are welcome to keep sending models.

If surgery is required I doubt I'll be out of action for long, painting wise.

"The Black List award in 2020?"

No idea.

""City On The Edge Of Forever" "

It has a quick long journey, like time travel, or Perseus time lapse/journey to the ampetheatre. A hero and friend who carries a metal thingy (I'm assuming, have to give it another watch). Pegasus? The enterprise or shuttle? Maybe.

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Just read wiki synopsis. Looks like Joan may be calibos/kraken. McCoy Pegasus (although his going back in time did capture the enterprise like calibos and he turned ugly at the start too?? But Joan captured him and he returned at the end.) Spok and tricorder are friend and owl. From my quick read through.

Thanks.

I an seeing clash of the titans (my current base measure) in many more films.

Even Jurassic Park and JP lost world, which I didn't think played well together. Lost world reading to Hamlet, JP to Genesis.

Both starting with turbulence, a child, a coffin in the turbulence, a parent and child, a man shouting commands, just like titans.

Just noticed lost world has father and child taking communion, bread and wine.

I ran baby, seccret of the he lost legend. In my head, haven't watched for a while. An all time favourite film. Starts with a turbulent African crowd. A long walk. A bearded man with a blade, thrusting it forward. Photos of proof of mother and baby Dino's in an envelope. And their journey back into the turbulence. If I remember correctly. Just like clash of the titans.

Throw your puzzle books in the bin. Who needs them.

PS

Starts to throw up possible scenarios. Like is there supposed to be mother and child in the box, like in titans? Then does that suggest the rapter at the start of JP is pregnant? I feel Muldoon and raptor are parent and child enough, if required, but the Dino's are revealed to be able to breed, a major point in the story.

Just checked and The Gorge script was on the blacklist of most likely not to be produced films.

Didn't read much, for obvious reasons.

Disappointed to hear it may notvbevin cinemas. Had visions of me going in with reams of papers all messily written on, chattering incoherently to myself.

At least waiting to get the DVD will give me more time, if needed.

So,

In titans, calibos ring has two pearls on a crown, or such. Let me two wizards fighting over a king, perhaps. Or Levi and Drasa (Dr ASA?? Perhaps sigorney Weaver??), the snowmen fighting over, something?? Soon after something changes, the giant head falls off statue, theodens face changes, the two white gods when Zeus hand changes calibos.

Is the snowmen when/just before they fall in love?

Remember that's no urukhi torch he's holding on the zip line, just before a huge explosion. They are the white flowers he grew that he holds in his hand.

Like holding Medusa's head while on Pegasus, only for the kraken to blow them into the water far below.

The urukhi bomb and the kraken were sent by the bad white dude. So likely so was the person (or perhaps remote controlled gun) used in The Gorge to make the explosion. Note smoke of a previous explosion too, just to bug me.

Ok.

The Gorge.

"What do your Elven eyes see?"

"Queen to rook 5, with a zoom in on his chess set."

Queen being the hobbgoblits and the rook Isengard.

Similar to the vulture taking the girl to the swamp, from the tower.

Interesting that the cage is metal, like his chess set.

Also the scene in titans with the real owl, the metal owl, the forge fire. Like the normal chess set, the metal chess set and her fire. Her binoculars zoom also perhaps symbolises an owls eyes.

Notice her big eye binoculars are just out of shot? Because these are usually the owl.

Speaking off.

"What is your name?"

"We are not allowed contact "

Oh, the poor owl.

Goldy, owl shaped, mechanical (screw top and chain) flask, his friend can carry, and probably left there, or more likely game him as a gift, as the goddess gave Perseus the owl. But that means there's a real one the friend is keeping, like the goddess keeping the real owl.

Hmm… What does that flask look like?

A hand grenade.

And the weapon she used to shoot said owl? A gun with a long barrel aimed up and a large curved clip, perhaps like the tail and claw of a scorpion?

From memory, the owl was knocked into the river during the scorpion fight.

He next appeared when Perseus was the only man left after he killed calibos and the owl flapped his wings (or gimly his chain mail) to show he's ready and flies off to rescue Pegasus.

Also.

She shot in the air to get his attention, as when Eowyn had a flag fly loose and get Aragons attention in the two towers.

And.

The girl seems to be lying on a log?? When she looks up at the skeleton in the tree. Like Perseus looking at the ferry Mans skull after crossing the river Styx.

If that is correct (I'm suspicious, as her face is in yellow and the tree in blue), then she likely traveled on the branch.

And the whole parachute into clouds, then have a skeleton up a tree, is not lost on this Jurassic Park fan either.

PS

The fact she seems not to talk until he falls screams a place beyond the Pines where it's one guys story, until the cop shoots him (I think that was the middle), then it's the cops story for the rest.

This suggests he won't be talking, possibly for the last half of the film.

Of course this suggests the start of the trailer may include stuff from the end…

I may have just solved one of the big questions that has plagued LOTR film fans for decades.

Where did the Easterlings go, or equally where did they come from.

We are not supposed to see them in the rest of the film.

Why?

Because we don't see the scorpions in the rest of clash of the titans.

We see the gods a lot, (as we see Gandalf and sauroman) we see calibos as a statue that changes (as we see king theoden change), then calibos (Sam?) Makes two drops of blood (2 Easterlings) from Medusa's head (Easterlings unit) that changes into scorpions (as the hobbits a rock, also as per calibos was stone earlyer) then the Easterlings leave the 3 travelers (as 3 scorpions are left).

Once the Easterlings leave via the black gate unimpeded (as our hero's enters the hall of edoras via a door challenged), thats it. The scorpions had their scene.

Hmm… What does their armour and helmets remind you of? Scorpions. Complete with the bloody red sash that held the head of medusa, perhaps?

But that's not much of a fight, is it?

I suspect that's where long reaching clawed ladders and whipping grappling hooks come into play.

PS

Just checked and The Gorge script was on the blacklist of most likely not to be produced films.

Didn't read much, for obvious reasons.

Disappointed to hear it may notvbevin cinemas. Had visions of me going in with reams of papers all messily written on, chattering incoherently to myself.

At least waiting to get the DVD will give me more time, if needed.

So,

In titans, calibos ring has two pearls on a crown, or such. Let me two wizards fighting over a king, perhaps. Or Levi and Drasa (Dr ASA?? Perhaps sigorney Weaver??), the snowmen fighting over, something?? Soon after something changes, the giant head falls off statue, theodens face changes, the two white gods when Zeus hand changes calibos.

Is the snowmen when/just before they fall in love?

Remember that's no urukhi torch he's holding on the zip line, just before a huge explosion. They are the white flowers he grew that he holds in his hand.

Like holding Medusa's head while on Pegasus, only for the kraken to blow them into the water far below.

The urukhi bomb and the kraken were sent by the bad white dude. So likely so was the person (or perhaps remote controlled gun) used in The Gorge to make the explosion. Note smoke of a previous explosion too, just to bug me.

"What a big gun."

Yes Callahan, to it certainly is.

Levi (yes I realised their names, subtitles. Hense the snowmen names also) has a big gun that aims upwards, you know to shoot down into the Gorge and all. It has one eye and has a fluctuation about it.

Not suggestive at all.

Of course sauroman has a pilanthia? that he operates to talk to a big fluctuating eye on top of a not at all falic vertical tower.

The hands on windows across the gorge also smack of this. Perhaps it suggests an unseen fluctuating tower with one eye? With two communicating over agrat distance using their hands.

Well, one hand…

Yeah a bit like Aragon and Arwen.

Another note is Drasa (no PHD, unfortunately) talking to a chap with a beard and long hair in a grave yard.

Hmm… Luckily there is no graveyard banter between the hero and a chap with long hair and beard in the two towers, or I would have to bring it up. Noting that Theoden (oops) does rock up again later.

Clash of the titans has Perseus talking to the guard by the burning body. He has a helmet, the Gorge guy a hat (note the colours, same as car and plane flags), Theoden a crown. The guard turns up later too, perhaps earlier than Theoden, but then Aragon has his good friend legalos to carry Gimli, the owl for him.

I feel the next best step is to crack the algorithm. That should fractal up and help immensely.

Also, as clash of the titans is about the same length, it should work like an ostrich egg in Jurassic Park.

There appear to be four or more all in one shots in the trailer. These would come after an algorithmic sequence and include the entire sequence in one shot.

Brings back memories of the start of proof of life. Top notch.

Just some things I'm thinking about.

PS

I think the algorithm may lie before "the gorge trailer begins now". It arrears to be 8. Which I find odd. However an all in one at the end (or beginning??) would make 9.

I'm going by the cistene Chappell 9 panels, Genesis.

Of course they could just be the algorithm for the trailer…

However the all in ones should provide the blocks, then it's just the order.

In the plane shot, and military HQ shot there appear similarly. I do like the owl, the little yellow hydrent. Cute.

Of course a long vertical pole with one eye, the traffic light.

The two towers either side the sign.

Bars in the wall, plays into the cage idea, but is probably liked to eve/ribs from Genesis. Also in the garden tank later. I suspect the girl usually fills that role.

There seems to be a sign front and back of the HQ, and the car may give that as well, as they are common in the trailer. Front and back. Or darkness into light, perhaps…

I guess there are Genesis style blocks, but then there are also the titans motifs, the fluctuating tower with an eye on top (in two towers, presumed in titans, possibly the witches in their high place, with one eye?), or all the owls, the flask, the hydrent, the big binoculars. These don't seem to be from the 9 paintings on the ceiling???

Ok, now I know the people who made the trailer are fooling with us.

The scene where she shoots in the air to get his attention, then shoots the flask, then bows with the gun… it's made up.

This is evident by the fact you can see cases hanging from the railing when she bows, that weren't there before.

The cases are shown later when she points to him to look down into the Gorge.

So she didnt bow after firing the pistol, but did she after shooting the flask?

Something to ponder.

The shot with the cases are another Allin one, I believe. To compare to the plane shot.

A case either side, like the cars. 2 fingers down, like 2 walking down. Look, like the scope. Probably more.

Now. What are the cases???

Gun cases? Unlikely, as there are guns floating around everywhere.

Speakers, possible, maybe she wire for sound?

Clothes? unlikely.

Any ideas?