"The KelTec SUB2000 GEN3" Topic

"Founded in 1991 by George Kellgren, and based out of Cocoa, Fla., KelTec has proven itself as a firearm innovator. Its operation staff is comprised of outside-the-box thinkers that design and manufacture unique products. One such offering is the SUB2000 pistol-caliber carbine…"

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Armand

Price of shit!

This looks like a product in search of a market – not sure what gap this fills

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Armand

Keep in mind that the company is an engineering company.
They like to try to create and innovate in the firearms that they make.

In the past I have owned and fired their RFB and their SU16. All their product are machined well where they need to be. It is often the look, feel and weight of them that truly throw people off.

What did I find. On the RFB the machining was actually very good. Better than a lot of G3s and FNs that I have come across. I found that the gas system was overly sensitive to the point of having to be tuned finely for the ammunition you used each time. Perhaps over-engineered. A very nice solid build though.

The SU16 was actually the lightest rifle I ever found in 5.56mm. One of the fastest trigger resets I have ever found too. The plastic stock did feel incredibly cheap I have to admit. Probably why it does not sell so well. But it contributes to the incredible light weight and ease of handling. Keep in mind Glocks and Tavors are the same 'Zytel' plastic and I don't hear complaints about them.
For a light and handy backpacking rifle, it is hard to beat.

Never got into the Sub2000 or their newer RDBs though.

Don't let the price get into your opinions. I have also owned some very pricey 5.56mm rifles too.

Thanks

Armand

Frederick,
indeed PCCs don't really have a niche in "official" (say law-enforcement or military) use anymore-similar type military weapons such as the Uzi or MP5 have been, for the most part, supplanted by assault rifle (5.56/6.5mm) sized carbines.

However, for civilian self-defense enthusiasts, PCCs have a value. Primarily, your typical 9mm pistol, which a semi or fully skilled civilian shooter would be comfortable engaging targets at 7-10m, now has a weapon with comfortable engagement ranges at 50, and even out to 100m. Insta-carbine. Having shot and competed with these modification packages (many are just that, conversion packages for standard pistols), and the ease that a normal self-defense pistol can be converted to a PCC, they are a efficient way to move to short carbine ranges without the added expense of a full size AR. And on top of that, you can shoot them on almost all pistol ranges with no modifications, and in just a few minutes, convert them back to concealed carry.

that's you market. Not for everyone, and not needed if you have easy access to firing ranges (and the will to spend more for those rounds) that support AR sized weapons. But for the more "urban" folks with limited range support or land to shoot, the PCC fills that gap.

PCCs are great fun.

If your area has some kind of liscenesing problems for pistols they are cheaper and easier to train with.
Using pistol rtounds like 9mm is way cheaper even for reloaders than 5.56,mm. It is also easier for things like training and recoil.

The Sub 2000 is ok but if you truly want cheap and ugly, look up the HiPoint Carbines. Truly hideous in the looks department. However, the manufacturers philosophy is that everyone deserves the right to defend themselves and he priced it to be that way so it is in everyones affordability envelope. Cheap and ugly are the most heard descriptions. Function wise, that carbine is top of the line and unbreakable,,, no seriously,,, unbreakable. There are lots of videos out there f people deliberately attempting to destroy the things. It takes quite a bit of effort to do deliberately.

Do I have one? Absolutely, it's great fun.
Before you go think I like just the cheap stuff, It sits in the safe next to a FAMAE made SAF. Kind of opposite ends of the bookshelf as it were.