"Games workshop's BS website" Topic

Trying to buy a bunch it their over priced paint.

Can't even enter all payment details.

You can't see the bottom and there appears to be no button to click on.

You'd think they would have had that bit working when screwing around with it previous.

Most annoyed.

Certainly not buying it for fun, and they made that doubley sure.

Why on earth would you buy their paint from the manufacturer's own website when it's available at a discount from hundreds of other sites?

Just curious, asking for a friend.

And I hear that other paints are available….

This might work, you may not be able to see the entire page as you may have your browser zoomed in. Try going to the page and setting your browser to 75%. I've had to do this in the past for some web pages and then I can see the entire thing. Just a thought.

Try another browser.

Try Army Painter or Vallejo paints, the same or better quality and you don't have to deal with those stupid paint pots that dry out or spill.. dropper bottles are *so* much easier to deal with… no spills, no drying out. I walked away from Citadel paints years ago after using them for a long time.

I'm the complete opposite.

I have no problem with GW modern pots.

They don't dry out, well not fast, the ones I use are emptied before then.

They don't fall over.

I like the look, nostalgia of the screw tops, but, well…

The dropper bottles are the nightmare.

Tips screwing through lids, clogging up, seperation issues, clear liquid coming out without pigment, can't get the last of the paint out.

I'm sure there are ways to muck around fixing some of the issues, but with GW the only issue is occasionally using a sculpting tool to clean the build up around the edge of the lid. And that's all, apart from buying more.

I suspect it may be because other people (as they are the ones at fault, not me) use many colours. I typically only use maybe 10 at most. All the other paints just sit there, probably drying out, until maybe used one day for some odd bit or other.

I think is coat de arms who do the original GW paint?? Do they do larger pots, like 250ml? That would be handy.

GW paints, at least the ones I use, just work. Have been wanting to mix my own cheaper ones, but it's just another thing on the to-do list.

GW do free postage.

I'm looking at eBay, as I get extra security, but will have $10 USD postage.

Potato, potato, or what have you.

It's not a zoom issue. Just another company not trying their site on all possible devices and setups. Or, logically just placing all the important bits at centre, rather than at edges where problems are most likely to occur.

"It's interesting how people complain about Games Workshop, yet they forget that it's a massive company that has built an entire hobby from the ground up. Sure, their paints might be pricey, and their website could use some improvements, but without GW, we wouldn't even have the wargaming industry as it is today. They've invested in developing high-quality miniatures, paints, and an entire ecosystem that other companies try to replicate.

People should be grateful that we have a company this big supporting the hobby, even if their business practices aren't perfect. If you don't like their prices, there are plenty of alternatives, but let's not pretend GW hasn't played a massive role in making wargaming what it is today."

Who are you quoting, just out of interest.

GW rep?

Or the new management?

Tiny wargames- I have to disagree that GW is responsible for what wargaming is today.
GW did not build an entire hobby from the ground up, it only came into existence in 1975. Donald Featherstone had several books out on wargames before this. Brigadier P Young had published Charge or how to play Wargames in 1967.

GW may have got the marketing right to become a highly profitable organization, by just promoting itself but its certainly not played a massive role in making wargaming what it is today.

It produces no historical figures so cannot have promoted Ancients, Napoleonic's, ACW, WW2 – etc etc.
It charges vastly inflated prices for a lot of its figures eg a combat patrol of 12 plastic figures for £100.00 GBP Other companies are managing to sell boxes of 30 plastic figures of similar quality for around £30.00 GBP

The crown of making wargames what they are today goes to the goes to likes of Tony Bath, Donald Featherstone, Brigadier P Young and others like the Wargames research group to name a few. The vast majority of wargames manufacturers that are small businesses, many of whom are as old or older than GW.

GW did do historical figures, and many non GW games, so it certainly helped push non GW centric popularity. Perhaps even created it's own now competition.

It certainly drew many thousands into wargaming who may not have even known about it otherwise.

Just look a LOTR, as but one example. Many, dare I say millions of people were exposed in some manner that may never have heard of GW or even wargaming.

Remember, out side this sphere there is great ignorance.

Most regular folk who do know about wargaming may only be able to say Warhammer or toy soldiers.

Even comps like Perry's, Warlord and Mantic would definitely have never existed without GW.

D&D may never have had an impact in Britain without them.

Warcraft and many other games look like GW influenced.

Kids coming off GW as adults often move into historical.

Like it or not GW very much has dramatically influenced the current wargaming sphere.

I stopped carrying GW in 1985. I did not like their order minimums per item nor required monthly orders.
I stayed in business without them.

You sure?

Just because people aren't buying GW from a certain store doesn't mean they didn't start out with it, or are still buying it elsewhere.

Many wargamers buy from different companies and ranges.

So if people were 10 75-95 and are adults buying any wargames now, it's likely they have been influenced by GW.

Obviously older generations are less likely so, but some of them are anyway, so there.

Plus, depending what's sold, the likes of Warlord, Perry's and probably anything produced since the 90s is likely influenced by GW in some way shape or form.

Their customers may be GW/ex GW players, the push to "wargames" plastics around today was mostly GW efforts/influenced, they went lead free with metal (no doubt others followed their lead, yes and some likely independently as well), figure design, greenstuff??, Slots bases (according to GW anyway), various tools and materials like static flock/contrast paints/games design/likely colour rule books/funny dice/boxed wargames/higher detailed figures/so on.

Think of world war Z.

Honestly who looks like Bead Pitt?

None of us are immune.

"Don't like GW, kids stuff, grumble?"

Your being influenced.

Don't like GW stuff/practices so don't sell it anymore?

Influenced.

Still not sold?

The competition are, so their actions influence other businesses, thus they are all being influenced by GW.

@Just A Few Orcs – I find myself inn the awkward position of both agreeing and disagreeing with you.

There's no doubt that GW are standing on the shoulders of giants….but equally they are a world dominant company in the wargaming sphere and probably a very small % of their customers know, or care, about WRG, Tony Bath, etc.

It's a bit like the movie business, where relatively few people really care about the early groundbreakers. I'm not saying it is right, but it is the way things tend to go.

@ 20thmain. – yes you have valid points.
I am not knocking GW per se, They have built up a very prolific following, they produce quality (if expensive) miniatures and playable rulesets. While I do not agree with some of their business practices, it has led to them becoming a worldwide company, and lots of people playing their games.

In the UK their influence in the clubs or the many shows I have attended as (both a punter and working with various traders) is of a minor genre. GW players tend to attend GW events or pure GW clubs.

There is of course some interaction between the two, but not much in my experience. Possibly because if you play GW games at any GW event or shop you are forced to only use GW figures. Likewise non GW affiliated wargamers see no need to limit themselves to a single companies products, or to pay GW prices, so tend not to buy or play them.

The main exception to this was the Warmaster and Warmaster Ancients rules brought out by Rick Priestly as a part of a GW special division. This is probably the most played GW ruleset in non GW clubs, although as time passes it has waned.

Warmaster Ancients and to a lesser extent Warmaster fantasy did have a positive affect on the general hobby as several figure manufacturers already produced 10mm figures that fit in with this ruleset. I believe this is what made it popular with non GW affiliated players.

So I would still maintain the GW influence has been almost exclusively on its own GW games and systems. It has had limited effect on the rest of the wargaming hobby and consequently has not built it up from the ground.

"It has had limited effect on the rest of the wargaming hobby and consequently has not built it up from the ground."

Pure nonsense.

There was wargaming before GW. There is wargaming during GW.

They are two different worlds.

I refer to my long, yet incomplete list above.

With the exception of essentially lead soldiers painted bright enamal, GW has had an influence.

Even then shop stock orders of traditional figures would have been dictated by GW and it's influenced competitors products.

Unless your shop only stocks lead enamal, but then your customer base is being swayed by promotions of shops making money also selling GW and it's influenced.

Perhaps there is no escape, as I suggested earlier.

No offence, but it must be the hair. Brad's is styled by Hollywood's finest.

"Warmaster Ancients and to a lesser extent Warmaster fantasy"

And warhammer historical for 28mm.