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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2025 5:28 a.m. PST

Subject: Marine Corps Study: All-Male Combat Units Performed Better Than Mixed Units : The Two-Way : NPR

🤔 Could Pete be right? Someone should tell the Senators.

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Personal logo Sgt Slag Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2025 10:46 a.m. PST

Wow. According to that study, and the 1992 study referenced (along with studies conducted by US allies, but not specifically named), biological men and biological women are physically different in ways which directly impact combat capabilities. I will stop there, to avoid politics. Thanks for sharing. Cheers!

14Bore16 Jan 2025 10:59 a.m. PST

It's obvious males are stronger than females except that very few.
If It's a matter of getting enough bodies to fill the ranks sure, but better to have the best in front.

LostPict16 Jan 2025 3:06 p.m. PST

Should not be any surprise that the average male marine will out perform the average female marine when it comes to strength based evolutions. I wonder how the results may very if you compared men and women Marines that had the same fitness scores versus random volunteers? Also wonder did the mixed gender units outperform maleonly units 31% of the time and what were those evoltuions? Just curious. Do know that male only recruits will need to include draftees to meet current shortage of male volunteers.

Irish Marine16 Jan 2025 4:33 p.m. PST

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This tells you everything you need to know.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2025 5:26 p.m. PST

Yes, nothing most of us who were in the military don't already know. Pete Hegseth wears his 187 Infantry Crest on his jacket lapel. I was in the 187 about 20 years before he was. old fart.

Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, etc. like him because he understands the military from where the rubber meets the road. He being an Infantryman and officer, who served at Gitmo, then in Iraq and A'stan. Awarded a CIB and 2 Bronze Stars. Was a Plt Ldr and Co Cdr. He understands the "warrior ethos" and spirit. He's seen combat at the pointy end of the spear.

He hated as many did the weakening of the US Military by all the woke DEI, CRT, that was pushed from the top down.

Watching his hearing in Congress. With all the attacks on him, just demonstrated what a threat he is to the woke, DEI, CRT, socialist, etc., politicians.

The attacks were by some, especially by some females in Congress was particularly violent. One who was a, IIRC, a UH-60 pilot who lost both her legs in Iraq. She was the only one among that has CV to talk smack as she did. But I feel she forgot about the Brotherhood of Arms. She as well as some others their attacks revolved around not letting females into combat arms as then they wouldn't have the same opportunity to make higher rank.

So reality be damned, females must be combat arms so a few could get promoted to a higher rank. Now of course there are many Female GENs. But I don't think any have made it to the JCS levels ? It is just clear to me that these females and probably some males in Congress. Don't get what history and those who have "seen the elephant" know from first-hand experience. And lived to talk about it.

Many of these in Congress never served and if so certainly not in a line Infantry or tank unit. But they are willing push females into harm's way in the name of some form of equality or is it equity ? In the face of the realities that occur in combat.

He mentioned that combat units have quotas for females in those units. One of the females Congress berated him that she never heard of anything like. Insinuating he just trying to keep women out of combat arms, etc., etc. …


Some of you may relate to this paradigm. Of e.g. an Infantry Bn that now has females in the unit as trained Infantrymen. The "quotas" would be IMO, being a Rifle Plt Ldr and Mech Co. Cdr. Is something that inevitably would become a new situation to confront combat arms leaders.

Would you put all the female Infantryman or Tankers or FA crews, etc. in one unit? HHC ?

Or would you starting at Bn level, assign females to each unit ? Scattering them around line Companies and in turn in the Plts, Sqds, Fire Tms, etc. ?

Would there be all female tank and artillery crews ?

All in the name of equality/equity of the sexes ? Which is fine in most other jobs, outside the Military. I laud that … But do any of those in Congress understand what occurs in combat ? E.g. there is so much footage of pitched battles with the advent of cameras, etc. Much in some very good documentaries on TV, online, etc., etc. Those could probably give them a good idea.

It seems to me these elected officials don't really understand what combat units do ?

Another thing is and was not mentioned. No one talked about what happened to the Female IDF soldiers at the hands of Hamas rapists, murderers, etc. Sadly, it is well documented on GO Pro cameras used by those savages. And can be seen online. I won't even choose to view such horrors. Did any of those female and even male elected officials watch any of that footage ? And still would say females should be in Infantry, Tanks, etc.

Another point, of course, these elected officials forgot they work for us. But I am pretty sure none of these officials' will have to be concerned about their female kin ever going into the military or combat. Of course there is no draft anymore, and most likely those in DC won't have to worry about it regardless …

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP17 Jan 2025 6:05 a.m. PST

I am for the best conditioned and qualified soldiers to get the job done period. It's gonna be men in a lot of these roles, especially regarding the physical demands of combat. That's what it is.

My problem is that I think that while Pete is tooting around looking for woke and DEI, WW3 is gonna come up and bite him in the @$&.

Great soldier or not, dealing with corrupt Congressmen, defense contractors, weapons development, recruitment, managing a thousand issues at once while holding the reins of global command – not getting that vibe.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP17 Jan 2025 7:06 a.m. PST

I have mixed feelings about this subject.

1) in combat positions that require skill, I think women can perform them as well as men. Pilots, snipers, etc. They have in other wars.
2) If it requires strength, most cannot come up to qualifications and qualifications should not be reduced to accommodate them. Which we know, has not been the case.
3) Combined units do pose their own "unique" problems. When the going gets rough, it seems more "accidental" pregnancies seem to appear.
4) women have all the rights of men in the US. Should they not suffer all the same dangers then as well?
5) But I don't want our combat effectiveness harmed. So how do we rectify 4 and 5?

If you have equal rights, you should have equal danger. It's unfair for one group to suffer one, but not the other. Placing women in the back lines and supply, does not seem to me to fulfill 4. Pilots, snipers do, but that does not require that many women.

If not in combat, can we take away rights? 🤔 🤣 Right, that's going to happen!

So what do we do?

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP17 Jan 2025 7:53 a.m. PST

Stick with performance results and assign accordingly would be my choice. Avoid the politics of it. There are critical tasks. Find the best performing people for each.

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