"Canadian Scenario" Topic

Thoughts?

If Trump invades Canada, the key will be rapid advances in the opening 48 hours to take advantage of Canada's odd force disposition.

The country's political and economic center of gravity is the urban corridor from Toronto to Montreal, but a significant share of the Canadian Army is dispersed, with large garrisons in Quebec, Halifax, and the western provinces. Only handful of brigades are garrisoned in the critical theater.

The war will be won quickly and decisively, without massive destruction of Canadian cities, if American forces can establish blocking positions to isolate the urban corridor from peripheral Canadian garrisons. In this maneuver scheme, we utilize highly mobile elements including 1st Cavalry Division and airborne forces to block the highways into Toronto, while an eastern screening group isolates the urban centers from reinforcements scrambling in from Quebec.

We envision inserting HIMARS at operational depths via Chinook slings, saturating Canadian road traffic with rocketry. A mobile firebase ("Firebase Maple") will be established north of Toronto near Lake Simcoe that will have a dominant position over the city's northern approach.

With reinforcements unable to scramble into the critical theater and Toronto severed from the cities in the eastern corridor, the Canadian 31st and 32nd Brigade Groups will be isolated and destroyed. Unconditional surrender is anticipated within 14 days.

Completely unrealistic based on current US commitments.

Force structure is conjectural and notional. Zero consideration given to the Sustainment Concept of Operations. Remember, the Tyranny of Time and Distance.

There is absolutely zero consideration given to IPB, at least as presented here. I'd be interested in knowing where this came from.

For the record, 10MD isn't really a Mountain Division, that's merely an honorific. It's a Light Division.

That's because I belong to the 86 IBCT (MTN), the Army's only actual brigade of Mountain Infantry.

My two shillings.

Eric

🤔 Or we could just simplify things and put justin trudeau back in charge.

Do we get The Canada Health Act or do they get the Affordable Care Act?

Just go with the "Canadian Bacon" war plan.

I am not sure what armor element is going from MI to Ontario is, but none of the bridges from the US to Canada are rated to carry the tonnage of a MBT.

As a fun scenario, why not?

Perhaps it makes sense for Canada (and Greenland) to turn to the "civilized world" with the idea of ​​uniting against the aggressor?)))

Absurd.

Is this Trumps attempt to play Risk? Remember, you need Kamchatka, Iceland and Central America. Then you can tak South America and establish a bridgehead and n Africa.

FFS

A bit of fantasy… My opinion: Trump is just playing realpolitik. There are US interests – and he is trying to achieve them. "Pax Americana" has already collapsed along with the global neoliberal project. Now the world will change rapidly – it's strange that you don't see it. The US "defatted" Europe, eliminating a competitor (and Britain got out of harm's way in advance). Nothing personal – it's just business. And tied Europe's hands with a cold war with Russia, holding back two of its competitors at once.
Now the US is trying to control one of the important sources of resources for the next century – the Arctic. Having gained control over Canada and Greenland, the US will gain control over a huge part of these territories.
And the US also needs control over Southeast Asia (as a very promising market) and the US will try to squeeze China out of there…
Welcome to realpolitik)))

There will most likely be no war with Canada. There will be economic pressure and some form of vassalage. But Greenland may well leave Denmark as a result of a referendum (this territory theoretically has such rights) and join the United States (Crimean scenario). )))

Interesting times are coming))) Turkish proxies are already fighting against US proxies in Syria. And things could easily come to a direct confrontation between the overlords.

What scope for "what if…" scenarios!

But it seems the plan is to also be at war with Panama and Denmark at the same time and maybe even Mexico… within the first 100 days! He's keepin' promises remember.

And going to war with Denmark and Canada would also meet the promise to get the US out of NATO.

Well, occupying Panama is already a tradition)))
However, like the war with Mexico…

Has the USA actually won a war against a foreign power in the last 100 years without allied help? Did they turn up on time?

The US will always find allies. It is too big and too rich a country. How many countries will dare to oppose it? Few. The time of the "great powers" is returning.
And, by the way, it's not about Trump. It didn't start yesterday… Biden's team was just solving the same problems, but using different methods and tools. Different paths led to the same goal. Trump is just a businessman and prefers to take a more direct path. He prefers to chop off the dog's tail at once, rather than in parts)))

It will all be taken care of in A three day special operation! ;)

I believe the whole thing is a bunch of bluff and bluster.

NATO Articles 1 and 4?

Yes you have uncovered it all!!

Der Führer … OPPs 😳 I mean Trump, had agreed with Xi and Putin to split the world up. Russia will get all of Western Europe. China, all of Asia including Japan, India and many Pacific Islands. The US, North, South and Central America, including many islands and of course Greenland and possibly Iceland. The rest will be used to extract their natural resources and their people will be used to extract them for the 3 super powers.

How you have all uncovered this is beyond me.

Yes, we are calling this "The 666 Alliance" and the Anti C… OPPs 😳 I mean Trump, has planned it all. Maybe this comes as a "Revelation" to some of you.

🤣😂

35th, I think your sarcasm may be lost on the cool-Aid drinkers.

David,

The Pentagon has numerous invasion plans for every country in the world. In fact, they probably have at least 20+ different plans which are updated/reviewd/changed constantly. That is part of their preparation for any possible crisis that, no matter how unlikely, may arise.

Every developed country worth its salt probably has the same type of planning.

On a side note…

Has North Korea declared war on Ukraine yet?
Can the Ukrainians now sink Russian and South Korean ships in the Indian and Pacific oceans?
Can South Korea now sends troops and hardware to Ukraine?

North Korea has not yet declared war on Ukraine and is participating in military actions only on the "old" territory of Russia occupied by Ukrainians. But it supplies weapons to the Russian army.
However, South Korea has also been supplying weapons to Ukraine through intermediaries for a long time.
Why should they fight in Ukraine? They can perfectly well organize a war on their own territory)))
Western mercenaries are already participating in the war against Russia, and in the attack on the "old" territory of Russia. Moreover, using standard NATO equipment.
Many NATO weapons systems, such as cruise missiles, cannot be used without the participation of NATO military specialists (guidance systems control). Which means NATO is directly involved in the war.
NATO ships are already obstructing Russian shipping in the Baltic Sea.
Welcome to the brave new world)))

By the way… The strike by the "Oreshnik" (non-nuclear weapon) on bases in Europe that repair Ukrainian military equipment and train Ukrainian military personnel – is this already a sufficient reason for a big war? The same as an attack on ships in international waters?

Just read… Iran plans to supply the Kurds with 1,500 kamikaze drones to fight against Turkish proxies, and against Turkey itself… The US supports the Kurds. Iran supports the Kurds. And all this – against a NATO country)))

Many fail to take Trump seriously while concurrently taking him literally. Very foolish and a big mistake.

Hopefully the JCS will realize that this is an unlawful order and refuse to comply. Canada is a loyal and trusted ally that stood with us in war and peace. This entire scenario is ridiculous. Only worthy of a cartoon.

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StoneMtn

"35th, I think your sarcasm may be lost on the cool-Aid drinkers."

Yes I believe you are correct. The Kool-aid is strong with this group. 😉

Or maybe just too much listening to the prophets of "The View". 😉 As we know, they are wise beyond their weights.

First off "Why?"
As in "Why would we invade Canada?

Secondly…

I'm looking at the map and wondering just where in the heck in US military current TOE all these shown infantry divisions are coming from….

Murphy, that's why we let all those illegals in. They've been arming and training them on the mean streets of the cities. The Leader..OPPs 😳I mean Trump, said he was going to deport them. He did not say to where. OHHH Canada our new home and native land!😉

Interestingly, I believe I read that the Premier(?) of Alberta(?) has contacted President Trump for "discussions".

Maybe there is some fire and not just smoke to this situation.

Might want to look up "Dolle Dienstag" when the allies marched into Holland. The advance came to a screeching crawl because of the masses of celebrating locals.

Most casualties will be due to getting hit by flying champagne corks.

"If Trump invades Canada, the key will be rapid advances in the opening 48 hours to take advantage of Canada's odd force disposition."

"The war will be won quickly and decisively, without massive destruction of Canadian cities…"

"Unconditional surrender is anticipated within 14 days."

Sounds like the briefing Putin got three years ago before he went into Ukraine. I hope Canada goes better. :-)

"Do we get The Canada Health Act or do they get the Affordable Care Act?"

What difference does it make? Both are economy killers.

"Which means NATO is directly involved in the war.
NATO ships are already obstructing Russian shipping in the Baltic Sea."

"The same as an attack on ships in international waters?"

C'mon Cuprum, don't be silly. We all know Russia doesn't have any shipping left since that country you guys were going to destroy in three days sank your navy.

Dn Jackson, it's a pity that geography is not your strong point. The Black Sea and the Baltic Sea are different seas))) And Russia also has the Northern and Pacific fleets)))

And you exaggerate the Ukrainian successes too much)))

So far, only 20% of the Black Sea fleet has been disabled.

True, small boats with crews of 5-7 people (half of the Ukrainian victories) are not shown here.

But yes, the Russian Black Sea fleet has been excluded from active combat. Well, it's just outdated. Although wait a minute… And how effective were the NATO fleets in unblocking the Red Sea? Oopsss…

The vassal Denmark has confirmed its readiness for dialogue with Trump on Arctic territories.

The Danish government has confirmed its readiness for dialogue with the new US administration on Arctic territories. This was stated by Danish Foreign Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen at a press conference in Jerusalem.

"The Americans have certain concerns about the security situation in the Arctic, which the Danish side also shares," Reuters quotes the head of the kingdom's Foreign Ministry as saying.

"Therefore, [Denmark], in close cooperation with Greenland, is ready to continue negotiations with US President-elect Donald Trump in order to ensure the legitimate interests of the American side," the minister said.

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When will Canada show understanding for the interests of its sovereign?

So who here wants to create a new USSR? Lies and propaganda in the media, intolerance and destruction (even physical) of the opposition, gerantocracy, imperialism and aggression… The wonderful world of democracy, "based on rules"…

I'm amazed this thread is still here. When is Current Affairs not current affairs.

It did run off the rails…

How can you run off the rails with a thread of: "If Trump invades Canada"? 🙂

How about a thread of: "If Trump puts all gays in concentration camps"? Ridiculous? Yes, but I know some gays who believe it with all their heart.

Or

"Trump will arrest all broadcasters who opposed him and imprison them"? Again ridiculous? Yes, but there are broadcasters who expressed this fear on their shows.

Is this topic only a hypothetical exercise? Or a thread that poses as hypothetical, but is really a political expression of belief.

There seem to be those posting in here that believe the former and some the later.

As I said at the beginning, if Trump wanted to really bring Canada down, he would have backed Justin Trudeau 110%.

I believe he is trying to turn trade in the favor of the US. Also more commitments from Canada militarily, especially in the Arctic. Stronger border security from Canada. After all, he will be president of the US and that is his job.