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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian26 Dec 2024 10:58 p.m. PST

Sword is among striking objects unearthed from Anglo-Saxon cemetery near Canterbury

The Guardian: link

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2024 4:03 p.m. PST

Good find!

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2024 6:01 p.m. PST

Seems a little like grave robbing. When exactly is it okay to start digging up people and objects from a grave? In the U.S. there is the NAGPRA law that prevents the digging at Native American graves. Previous removed items have to be returned to the tribes.

noggin2nog27 Dec 2024 11:39 p.m. PST

UK guidance:
"Research excavation of unthreatened burial grounds or areas of burial grounds is only acceptable if interments are more than 100 years old, and the proposed work is acceptable to the living close families of those who are buried, if known."

Martin Rapier27 Dec 2024 11:51 p.m. PST

I think you'll find the practice of archaeology generally involves digging up dead people.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP28 Dec 2024 6:44 a.m. PST

As a point of clarification, NAGPRA does not prohibited digs -- it lists the process that must be followed to dig on federal or Indian land. Also, it does not apply to state land or private property.

Cerdic28 Dec 2024 8:30 a.m. PST

Don't worry Old Contemptible- the people in the cemetery are our tribe!

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2024 5:39 a.m. PST

" Seems a little like grave robbing. When exactly is it okay to start digging up people and objects from a grave? In the U.S. there is the NAGPRA law that prevents the digging at Native American graves. Previous removed items have to be returned to the tribes."

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So ….,

Items must be "returned to the tribes".

So all "native Americans" are the same? You dig up a Hopewell object, you must return it to a shawnee, Apache, etc., tribal member? How are they directly related, other than some common DNA? If I was to find a Hopewell or Adena cultural item in Ohio and are told to give it to the Shawnee tribe because they were last in this area, how does that make sense? The Shawnee came into Ohio at the invitation of the Miami, to be a buffer. I believe they came up from the Carolinas.

So all caucasians are the same? You find a Roman sword in Egypt, it must be returned to the nearest Caucasian? By the logic of the US law, it makes as much sense.

So if you miraculously find an Aztec artifact in the Dakotas, just hand it over to the nearest Sioux tribal member. They are all the same. 😉

Augustus31 Dec 2024 4:34 p.m. PST

That is because the whole argument over cultural "ownership" is highly specious and by itself, disturbingly racist. Current "insert applicable" are as much Ancient "applicable" as I am a Martian – the argument makes no sense; they were not born "Ancient applicable" and the genetics are probably spread all over the map. At best, they may bare a few more physical resemblances, but are otherwise a product of the modern world, just like everyone else on this mudball.

The only truth is in finder's keepers.

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