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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP26 Dec 2024 3:59 p.m. PST

Nice job!

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Hitman26 Dec 2024 6:06 p.m. PST

Those look great. Well done.

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP26 Dec 2024 9:03 p.m. PST

One of my favorite regiments of the British Army, actually, take that back, my VERY favorite regiment. So I feel I should nitpick a few things here, just to help the owner make corrections if he feels the need. First, this was a Royal regiment at that time, so the facings to the scarlet tunic or frock should be blue, not yellow (this regiment never had yellow facings in its history, actually; before royal status, they were dark green). The hose tops would be scarlet and green dicing; the pipe bag cover would be dark green, along with the cords or ribbons; and the pipers' sporrans were the two white tassels as shown but on grey horsehair. The piper would also be in a dark green frock (no facing colors), not a scarlet frock as shown. Pipers in Highland (or Lowland) regiments often wore some distinctive uniform tweaks. The drum shell would be blue with red rims.

Best of luck with these brave fellows!

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2024 2:39 p.m. PST

Happy you like them boys…

Armand

42flanker28 Dec 2024 7:03 a.m. PST

I'm not sure there were green serge frocks for pipers on active service. Judging by the group photographs from 1882 they may have worn scarlet frocks like the rest of the jocks who seem to have had self-coloured cuffs, rather than in facing colours worn on the doublets.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP29 Dec 2024 11:50 a.m. PST

My favorite regiment is the Gordon's. So I have no dog in this fight regarding proper facings.
However, a superb job painting the tartan!

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP29 Dec 2024 2:44 p.m. PST

Glad you like them too…

Armand

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP29 Dec 2024 6:37 p.m. PST

I'd love to discover more evidence on this matter, 42flanker! Will put out some further inquiries to some folks who make a study of the 79th/Camerons. My assumption is that the pipers wore the undress version of their regular dress doublet when the rest of the battalion was in service dress/undress. There are some *paintings* I've seen of pipers in scarlet same as other soldiers, but these were not done by eyewitnesses and get other details incorrect as well. Other paintings or military prints from that time never show pipers in red. So not definitive. They shift to khaki tunics when the rest of the soldiers do. It's really hard to distinguish dark green from red in B&W photos of the era, that's for sure. I'll see what else I can discover and report back. PS: my error above, if the regimental pipers displayed pipe ribbons at all -- and these would not normally be seen except on special full dress occasions -- they would most likely been in the regimental tartan.

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2024 3:19 p.m. PST

Here we go -- some fresh input from a knowledgeable piper friend who makes a study of army uniforms. First, some of his text, and then the period images he references. I agree that the pipers' frock looks a different shade in the B&W photos from the other ranks' scarlet frock.

"AFAIK the frocks for pipers were Archer Green.

"Obviously no colour photography then, so we have to rely on paintings.

"In the issue of Regiment magazine The Highlanders Part 2 there's a painting (unfortunately shown in black & white) by R. Wymer showing the Pipe Major, Officer, and Private of the Camerons in 1907, all in frocks, and the Pipe Major's frock is clearly darker than the others.

"It's obvious that the piper's frock has been painted as being a different colour than the others.

"The piper's frock also has the square silver Cameron Highlanders pipers' buttons, as can be seen in the 1882 photo below.

"The buttons alone suggest that pipers weren't simply issued Other Ranks frocks."

"Here's the Cameron Pipe Major (then called "Sergeant Piper") in 1882, he's stated to be wearing a green frock."

"Note the square buttons of Cameron Highlanders pipers.

"The fact that the pipers of the various Highland regiments seemed to have worn the doublet and frock interchangeably suggests that they're both green.

"Here, three frocks and two doublets, in India."

I'm not trying to be persnicketty, I just want to share the information; these things are just as important to me for my own army men! I sweat over the details.

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