"Romanian court annuls result of presidential election" Topic

Thoughts?

Do you buy this?

Subject: Romanian court annuls result of presidential election first round

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Subject: Romanian election: What the hell is going on? – POLITICO


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Total bovine feces.

Sounds fair, they have the cahoneys to stand up to election meddling. This is probably harder on the candidate Lasconi who was expected to win the run off. It can't be labelled anti right wing.

Sounds fair to me. I am sure Romania is still jumpy when it comes to Russia. Everyone should care about foreign influence in their elections.

Yeah, I buy it. I have my own conspiracy theory. The Russians interfere as much as they can in every election, including ours. I have no personal knowledge, just rabid certainty.

Hardly surprising in the apparent circumstances and entirely within the courts remit. There is fairly good evidence that Russia at least dabbled in the last two UK referenda. More grey-zone BS.

"Small earthquake in Chile, not many killed."

Well, 35thOVI provided us with the leftist bbc view on the matter, but here is another take on it:

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Stone, I asked if people accepted those views. 😉

I myself, have doubts about anything anymore. Especially when they lead with "Russian Interference". That seems to be like the wolf cry of "Racism" has become in the US.

But I'm interested in all perspectives.

I don't equate believing the Russians practicing political espionage with racism, 35th.

Tort, I was giving "like" examples. 🙂

Cries of "racism" now are so common, they have no meaning.

"Russian Interference" in the U.S. is cried now by the Democrats before, during and after elections. It started in the 2016 election and has not stopped.

Would Russia attempt it.. sure. Would China? Of course. North Korea? Without a doubt. England? Yes. US yes. I believe We all do it.

But the left leaning parties have been using "Russian Interference" because it scares so many people.

I suspect Romania is doing the same.

Could I be wrong? Of course.
Can they be lying? Of course.

Got it..but I think Russia had our number from the start and is particularly expert in interfering with American life via social media. And their tech abilities in the modern era are highly developed in this arena. As I said, this is my belief, and I think the right has grown too soft, my opinion.

The 2nd place getter was tipped to win the run off and was also annoyed at the verdict. Why is election interference questioned, but stolen elections are accepted as gospel truth?
It is entirely feasible for Russian interests to weaken Nato/EU leaning countries as a strategy to weaken Ukraine support.
What Romania, as a sovereign nation, choose to do is entirely up to them.

"What Romania, as a sovereign nation, choose to do is entirely up to them."

I don't disagree. But some need to remember that stands true for the US as well. 🙂

Tort,

My point… "Russian Interference". "Tulsi is a Russian asset". 🙄

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To use Legion's expression…does MAGA have the "right stuff" to deal with Putin and the Russians? No question for most of those here perhaps, but not all, I suspect.

35th, I didn't say you endorsed that position, but simply spoke to the source of the article.

Of course Russia is trying to interfere in Romanian elections. Sure, the West also seeks to influence elections. The West seems to be more subtle and more successful. The Ukraine war started-off when Putin's attempt to install a friendly government was met by a popular(?) uprising. Isn't one of the stated reasons for the current war supposed to be to replace a "criminal" government made-up of Nazis, in power through non-democratic means? The same is playing-out, to one degree or another, in Georgia, Moldova and Armenia, of which I am aware. Given my geopolitical view, I tend to believe that being aligned with democratic free-market countries (no matter how distasteful) is preferable to being aligned with a dictator that has invaded neighbors and is now threatening nuclear war when his hostile invasion isn't going well. That may just be me, however.

Putin is a bully and regardless of your view of the world, it cannot be denied that the Soviet Union and then Russia does not have a good track record when it comes to playing well with others. Since the end of WWII, I am not aware of any Western-aligned country that has used military force to impose a government on another country in Europe. The same cannot be said for the USSR/Russia. Off the top of my head, I can think of Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland, East Germany (?), Chechnya, Armenia, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine. I read an article last night that an operative turned himself into Polish authorities claiming that he was hired by Russian security services to assassinate Lukashenko in Belarus and make it look as if it was a Polish operation. It is sad that such a false flag operation does not sound farfetched to me. I fear that the more he loses face, the more dangerous Putin will become.

IIRC it was MI5 who warned recently that Russia's foreign intelligence apparatus had been badly degraded by all the expulsions of "defence attaches" post the Ukraine invasion – to the point where they were relying on enthusiastic amateurs and less able agents who might do something stupid…

Never a bad moment to repost the old cliche- "Russia is never as strong as it looks, or as weak as it looks."

🤔 The plot thickens.

"That if the Russia-neutral party, which just won the election in Romania, takes power, that party which campaigned on ending all support for Ukraine in the war against Russia. That would massively cripple NATO's ability to carry out a successful campaign on behalf of Ukraine, because Romania is the main weapons trans-shipment point from all CIA and UK arms that are warehoused in Pakistan.

There's a There's a major sea bridge, there's a major airbridge that allows US weapons, which are warehoused in Pakistan to support, initially the Mujahadeen in the 1970s, and then Al Qaeda, and now, ISIS. Serendipitously, this is happening the same week that ISIS just took effective control over Syria. Actually, they're now the sitting government.

But those arms initially flow from Pakistan, from the south, and then obviously, Turkey through the north. But there's There's this trans-shipment route from Pakistan to Romania, Romania into Ukraine. If those weapons, caches, and munitions are stopped because the sitting government in Romania does not want to be hostile to Russia and therefore shuts off the military aid to Ukraine, there goes Ukraine.

Here they are sitting there essentially with their thumbs up their butts, trying to think of a reason to cancel the elections so that they can continue their war on Russia.

What they've done here is something that was attempted to be done here in the US in 2016. If folks remember, Norm Eisen and the legal hatchet blob team in 2016 tried to get members of Congress to annul the election results on January 6th, 2017, by arguing that Russia had interfered on US social media."

This has a ring of truth to it, that and the current leader and favorite finished a distant 3rd.

Oh and…..
That last paragraph…What?!! Leftest attempted to overturn the election of 2016??!! I thought only Trump did that. At least I'd been told that by the MSM. "Say it ain't so Joe! Say it ain't so!"

But…
It's alas, it was true…. And Norm was an Obama guy too. 😳

Subject: ‘It's Like a Powder Keg That's Going to Explode' – POLITICO Magazine


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Subject: The Anti-Trump Electoral College Effort Is Only The Beginning


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35th, I don't think any efforts in 2016 came close to the national effort to change the outcome of 2020. Nor did a whole huge section of the country continue to assert this over the next four years after 2016 and up to the present day.

My guess is that a media mention assessment would show that the 2020 effort was undeniably more widespread, multi-faceted and sustained and became part of MAGA doctrine and lore, unique in US history. Today's efforts are small potatoes, going nowhere. Dems across the board blame their party for the loss and do not have the same mindset that a loss must be because they were cheated that MAGA does. Dems are in deep depression instead. My opinion.

Tort,

2016 was widespread, just not reported by the MSM. As the MSM was in as big a shock, as was the Democratic Party. The MSM meltdowns then were a site to behold.

The fact Hillary was not in office at the time, was the main difference.

What is so funny about 2016 is that those most responsible for Trump's victory, were the Democrats and the MSM. They both went full force to destroy any Republican candidates who they viewed as real competition to Hillary. They then gave constant media coverage to DJT. He was on all news channels daily. They laughed at him and assured themselves "that there was no way this clown can be elected!". Hillary thought she had all her ducks in a row. Nothing could gain say her being President. Then when she lost…. Desolation and despair!😩

Then they started to make "their" attempts. But they weren't prepared, too shocked. But the attempts to undermine and destroy his 4 years never stopped. Never.

They never understood that they built what Trump became. They also never understood that Hillary was so despised by so many people. I knew no one personally, who could stand her. Same with Harris… I know no one who could stand her. Those who voted for her that I know, were life long democrats, 1 agenda voters (gay, abortion), or hated Trump. None said anything positive about Harris.

You are right about those two Dems. I hated to say it, but they just grated on me and I did not feel the trust I was looking for, no matter their abilities or lack thereof." Deplorables" really bothered me.

I think the deep dissatisfaction that so many feel enabled the rise of Trump, a billionaire, not self made and with his own personality issues. But he gets sales and he tapped into the resentment that I think both right and center felt about where we were headed.

Red Jacket, Maidan in Ukraine began because President Yanukovych postponed association with the European Union. The reason for this was that there was duty-free trade between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine's agreement with Europe would have hit the Russian market with virtually unimpeded penetration of European goods into the Russian market, and Russia threatened to immediately terminate these agreements (which would have caused a serious blow to the Ukrainian economy, which was then largely oriented towards Russia). Time was needed to resolve these issues. But the West, deeply interested in immediately developing the new Ukrainian market, was not ready to wait and decided to resolve the issue by force, simply replacing the Ukrainian government with the help of Ukrainian nationalists.
By that time, Yanukovych had only one year left in his presidential term.

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It was Europe that planted a bomb under Ukraine (and under its own well-being) and lit the fuse…

I propose an excellent criterion for assessing the fairness of elections: any elections that are not in favor of the globalists are elections rigged by Russia))) And then you can do without any evidence of interference. The results of the elections themselves will serve as proof)))

Before the recent US elections, Zelensky almost openly campaigned to vote for Harris… Can this be considered Ukraine's interference in your elections? No need to answer. The question is rhetorical)))

"Maidan in Ukraine began because President Yanukovych postponed association with the European Union."-Cuprum

He went against what his constituents desired and was deposed by the Ukrainians.

"which would have caused a serious blow to the Ukrainian economy"-Cuprum

Which would have caused a serious blow to the Russian economy.

"Time was needed to resolve these issues. But the West, deeply interested in immediately developing the new Ukrainian market, was not ready to wait and decided to resolve the issue by force,"-Cuprum

Russia had a tantrum and decided to resolve the issue with force.

There I just translated Cuprums pack of lies…

There is no worse lie than lying to yourself…

Armand

He was overthrown by only a part of the Ukrainians, which naturally led to a civil war. Ukraine has been split into conflicting western and eastern parts for many centuries, and this is not the first civil war on its territory. Starting from the 16th century. Anyone who does not take this into account in Ukrainian politics is simply an idiot.

No, it was the Ukrainian economy that was destroyed by these events. Europe only needed Ukraine's raw materials and its markets. Its industry was not needed, with the exception of the enterprises of the first processing. Russia suffered much less damage.

Russia gave an adequate response to inadequate actions. Idiot Putin still believed in "playing by the rules" at that time. You have finally weaned him off this. All sensible Russians understood much earlier than Putin that your rules are only for savages. The White Sahib changes the rules at any time if they are not beneficial to him)))

There are parliaments and laws to solve such issues. The West prefers to solve issues on the periphery of the world with coups and proxy wars.

Although – why only on the periphery… Now organizing riots, falsifying elections and persecuting or even attempting to kill political opponents in the West is common practice. The boomerang returns… By acting this way in other countries, you will certainly not resist the temptation to do the same at home.