"Prussian caissons" Topic

I'm looking for contemporary pictures of Prussian caissons, especially suitable ones for the 1813-14 period. Would be grateful for any help, since it's something I need to make.

Hi,

You might want to look at this .

The sculpting and production is magnificent.

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Choose your scale too.

Best wishes,

Chris

For now try (whilst searching for contemporary images/drawings):

Browse thru the contents of Dr. Stephen Summerfield's edited series called "The Smoothbore Journal" published by Ken Trottman books in the UK. (On Military Matters has them if you are in the USA/Canada)

I have seen detailed accounts of them there. Also, Kevin Reily does a deep dive into the subject. He has two volumes that include siege and fortress guns. Volume 1 is probably the one you want. (I have vol 2 but Vol 1 was temp out of print when I tried to order.) link

Well when the leading light of 18mm Napoleonics seeks our advice, we must try to help.

Now I have gone through my library and I can find obscure caissons (not limbers with an emergency ammo supply) for Saxony or Bavaria but not Prussia.

Niels Rullkotter has done two and four wheeled caissons for Perrys in 28mm and I suspect he will have researched these thoroughly. Happy to e mail him if you want. I have found him very helpful in the past (and generous with freebies, like you)

Upper right corner, the back end rack seems to get used for baggage , forage or anything that needs to get carried.
Blue Moon UK

Some drawings of a Prussian Munitionswagen (caisson) as described in 1816 (3 MB, will be available only until Sunday morning):

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Unfortunately, an awful quality (scanned microfilm). The original (design drawings of 1816 for the new Prussian artillery material) lies in the British Library (Hs 74/1114).

Unfortunately the following work doesn't have the answer though it has excellent drawings of later Prussian artillery equipment:
Zeichnungen des Königl. Preußischen Artillerie-Materials
W. Berger
Published 1857
Volume 1 – Feld Artillery: PDF link
Volume 2 – Festungs und Belagerungs Artillerie; Maschinen: PDF link
Volume 3 – Train und Truppen-Fahrzeuge: PDF link

Also unfortunately no illustrations in Dawson, Dawson & Summerfield's book – though it hints at the M1768 system being in use (if I haven't misinterpreted the intent). These caissons were larger than the Gribeauval ones & drawn by 4 horses. Spare wheels and carriages were carried in so called "rack wagons" drawn by 4 horses.

The Prussian 1816 Munitionswagen, with the changes made until 1838 (by Kameke):

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The description to Kameke's plates:

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And a description of 1833:

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Have a look at this kickstarter

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Hi, that is the same product I listed which is now available and I have purchased.

The sculpts are terrific.

Scales can be selected too.

Best wishes,

Chris

There do exist some nice plates about caissons of about 1790. It is difficult to say what they used in 1813 because there wasn't a lot left after the catastrophe of 1806 / 1807, a lot artillery material was given for example to the Duchy of Warsaw. Also they would be very scare, and in no need to equip the numerous newly raised batteries and the Prussians used whatever they could get their hands on, also using material such as tack and artillery equipment from the United Kingdom. In case you are interested of those 1790 caissons let me know your e – mail address and I would be more than happy to send them to you.

My reading the few English gun batteries were given the whole kit from the British not just the guns. And would assume the couple French 12pdrs captured, the caissons might have as well been too.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed : I've left it a little while to see if anyone had any more info. My enquiry is really for pictures or plans so I can make my own models for AB, rather than wanting to buy caissons for my armies.

It seems we are still somewhat uncertain about the precise vehicles used during the wars, but the house-roofed long caisson, rather similar to the Gribeauval type ,seems to be the best bet. That of course in the one in the 1816 drawing. I've pursued the Summerfield Ordnance Journal series, but nothing of use is apparent in the listings, and Kevin Keily's Volume I is also still out of print, it seems.
Oliver, thanks for the Links to the drawings, which I have downloaded.
Von W, I tried to pm you ,but your email address doesn't show in your particulars. If you could email Eureka UK they will pass your message and address on to me :
info@eurekaminUK.com
Again , Thanks to all for your help.

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