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FusilierDan Supporting Member of TMP26 Nov 2024 4:37 p.m. PST

Independent researchers in Arizona have unearthed a bronze cannon linked to the Vázquez de Coronado expedition

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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian26 Nov 2024 5:44 p.m. PST

Now there's a scenario!

PzGeneral26 Nov 2024 7:09 p.m. PST

Kewl!!

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP26 Nov 2024 8:13 p.m. PST

It has sprue marks!

Stryderg Supporting Member of TMP26 Nov 2024 9:10 p.m. PST

Cool find, but is a canon considered a firearm?

panzerCDR27 Nov 2024 3:35 a.m. PST

"It has sprue marks!"

LOL! Hopefully the flashing on it wasn't too bad! ;)

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2024 6:14 a.m. PST

The author doesn't help by calling it both a firearm and a canon.

Choctaw27 Nov 2024 6:43 a.m. PST

Wow, the builder didn't even attempt to file down the sprue marks. How gauche.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2024 8:41 a.m. PST

Probably didn't bother to prime it, either. Philistines!

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2024 8:51 a.m. PST

The wall guns wee either large hand guns or small cannon. Take your choice.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2024 9:01 a.m. PST

It's not exactly a handgun, is it?

Dagwood27 Nov 2024 10:34 a.m. PST

More a bazooka

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2024 11:05 a.m. PST

"Draw!"
"Un momento, por favor!"

evilgong27 Nov 2024 2:48 p.m. PST

Jingal

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2024 9:55 p.m. PST

Sometimes referred to as a wall gun, the unearthed cannon was an early type of firearm requiring two people to operate. Designed primarily for use along fortification walls, the expedition reportedly utilized them as an offensive weapon to breach wooden or light adobe walls of domestic dwellings in the cities they encountered.

Measuring 42 inches in length and weighing about 40 pounds, the cannon type would typically make use of a large wooden tripod.

M-2 machine gun weighs about 80 pounds and uses a tripod.

Mk 19 grenade launcher, which is arguably a portable cannon, weighs almost as much as the M-2 and uses a tripod.

The wall gun, like most early cannons, was intended for direct fire.

So I think it's OK to call it a firearm.

Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP28 Nov 2024 1:53 p.m. PST

Very cool. Although I could do without the negative tone of the article: "went in search of these legendary cities in hopes of stealing gold and precious stones, claiming land and enslaving large populations for forced labor."

After all, what do you think the natives were doing at this point in history? <cough, cough> Aztecs anyone?

I also wonder about this line at the end, "This discovery provides the first known firearm from the Coronado expedition and offers insights into early Spanish-Native American interactions in the Southwest."

After all, how many insights can you get from an unfired cannon? I think this line is standard one added to all 'academic' papers without even thinking about it.

Zephyr128 Nov 2024 3:25 p.m. PST

Well, "insights" is the preliminary to "We need more funding/grants to further study this subject."
;-)

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP29 Nov 2024 8:22 a.m. PST

Insight: 1.) It was heavy to lug around and didn't wind up having any necessary military use.
2.) The natives had no idea what to do with it, either.
3.) Despite its obvious cost, the soldiers reached a point where that cost had ceased to matter, and "getting a frickin' move on*" became the higher concern of the day.

*Only expressed in Spanish.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP29 Nov 2024 9:34 a.m. PST

After you've eaten the mules, who's going to carry it?

Zephyr129 Nov 2024 3:36 p.m. PST

It's main use was probably to make loud noises to scare the natives. If one actually got hit by it and was splattered all over the place, that would certainly amplify it's terror effects on the rest… ;-)

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