
"Caucasian Uniforms?" Topic
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SuperDuperFork | 14 Nov 2024 4:11 p.m. PST |
Hey all! I'm having trouble finding sources on the uniforms of the three Caucasian nations (Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia) from the RCW. I would imagine that it would be similar to Tsarist/White army ones, but again- no sources! Thanks in advance. |
John the OFM | 14 Nov 2024 4:49 p.m. PST |
Just hazarding a guess here. Did they previously serve in the Russian army? Were these countries rich enough to have an independent industry to make uniforms? |
Rocco Siffredi | 15 Nov 2024 3:15 a.m. PST |
You should check out the Lead Adventure Forum where there is a very knowledgeable regular from Russia. FWIW, the few pictures I saw at the national history museum in Tblisi did not feature anything that looked especially "ethnic" and different to that of the Czarist army. |
Mark Plant | 15 Nov 2024 5:22 p.m. PST |
Try Cuprum on LAF. There's very little out there, even in Russian. The Armenians and Georgians seem to have used ex-Tsarist. The Azerbaijanis were heavily supported by the Turks, so may have had some equipment from there on top of the Russian base. They were also fond of low fur hats. The Imperial War Museum will have photos of the Armenians around Baku. |
TimePortal | 15 Nov 2024 10:10 p.m. PST |
I agree with Mark on fur hats whether or not they were veterans. I did a series of articles called The War That Would Not End. The Central Caucuses was the focus on one or two articles. |
Cuprum2  | 16 Nov 2024 8:23 p.m. PST |
SuperDuperFork,, your assumptions are correct. The basis of the uniform of these peoples was the Russian uniform, but there were some peculiarities. The Georgians had two types of troops: the army and the Red/People's Guard (party militia formations of the ruling socialist party). Officers and soldiers of the Georgian army had shoulder straps of the Russian model and insignia on them. Soldiers' shoulder straps were crimson or field shoulder straps – protective color with red edging. The People's Guard had no shoulder straps or insignia. The infantry uniform was prescribed to be of the Russian Caucasian Cossack army model with a national headdress – a small cap of black or protective color. The Circassian coat was gray, the beshmet (Caucasian national under the Circassian coat) – crimson with white edging. Gray trousers tucked into high boots. Black leather Caucasian belt. But more often they used the regular Russian-style uniform with Georgian insignia. Officers could also wear both the regular Russian-style uniform and the Caucasian Cossack Army uniform. Gray harem pants with a narrow crimson edging. They wore a small fur papakha on their heads. The cavalry was supposed to have a Russian dragoon-style uniform: a protective tunic, gray-blue harem pants with a narrow crimson edging, gray overcoats. But as far as can be judged from the photo, the cavalrymen preferred the Caucasian Cossack Army uniform with Georgian insignia. Around 1920, British uniforms began to appear in the Georgian army. It was primarily received by the People's Guard. The Russian-style cockade had national Georgian colors – black, white, crimson (from the center). Here is a topic on my forum dedicated to the Georgian army of this period. Unfortunately, many photos have disappeared, but you can still get some idea of what the Georgian army actually looked like: link The Georgians fought during this period against Turkey, Soviet Russia, Armenia, and the Volunteer White Army. To create the Georgian army, you will need figures of the Russian army in a regular field uniform and in a Caucasian uniform. Later, I will give you brief information on other armies that interest you. I am very busy now, sorry. You will have to wait for a few days. |
SuperDuperFork | 17 Nov 2024 1:12 p.m. PST |
Thanks all for the information! I made an account to ask this and didn't realize there would be a waiting period to comment, but y'all have been a big help! |
Cuprum2  | 18 Nov 2024 12:41 a.m. PST |
The Azerbaijani army participated in military operations only against Armenia. When the Red Army entered the republic, it did not offer any resistance. The uniform of the Azerbaijani army was supposed to consist of a Caucasian-style uniform: a small fur cap of gray or brown fur, tapering towards the top, a gray Circassian coat with a black beshmet, red shoulder straps (field ones – gray or khaki). The cockade is an eight-pointed gold star above a crescent. In fact, Russian uniforms with Azerbaijani insignia were worn. Turkish and British uniforms were also encountered. Quite often, a Panama hat of the Turkish type was used as a headdress. Here you will find some photos of the Azerbaijani army: link
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Cuprum2  | 18 Nov 2024 12:52 a.m. PST |
From left to right: 1. Private artilleryman of the Azerbaijani army, 1919. 2. Lieutenant of machine gun units of the Azerbaijani army 1919. 3. Private rifleman of the Georgian army, 1918-21. In Fig. 1 ordinary artilleryman of the Azerbaijani army in a tunic-type blouse of the type common in Turkish units stationed in Galicia during the First World War. The lieutenant in Fig. 2 has Russian-type shoulder straps with the Azerbaijan code word. Insignia and uniform of the Russian type, a sabre of any Eastern type. Some museum uniforms have blue shoulder straps. I don't know who was entitled to them, but perhaps in the Azerbaijani army, as in the Russian, the color of the shoulder straps indicated the place of the regiment in the division (1st – red, 2nd – blue, 3rd – yellow). |
John the OFM | 18 Nov 2024 5:26 p.m. PST |
It looks like one could get away with 15mm Battlefront Russians, or dismounted Cossacks for the fur hat. Maybe even Old Glory. But not Peter Pig. They're full dress with Caftan. "Paint conversions", which you can get away with in 15mm. I just sold my FoW Russians, so I'm familiar with the brands. As usual, I went whole hog on everything in the books. |
TimePortal | 18 Nov 2024 9:56 p.m. PST |
Maybe 19th Century in the Crimean War. |
SuperDuperFork | 07 Feb 2025 12:01 a.m. PST |
Peter pig sells fur-hatted russian heads under their spare bits range-- while they're meant for soviets, from a cursory glance they seem to be the older design. |
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