"Israel attacks Iran" Topic

Looks like Israel has attacked Iran directly with several missile strikes on military targets. I was hoping they would take out the nuke program.

Do not forget that Israel is the only nation on earth that is not allowed to win a war. That would upset diplomats.

So it appears they hit missile manufacturing sites and air defences/radars. In other words, an entirely politically driven hit that will not affect Iran in any meaningful way. Waste of time.

" In other words, an entirely politically driven hit that will not affect Iran in any meaningful way. Waste of time."

Not if they plan on follow up attacks!

Can't see any follow ups happening, unless Iran does something stupid.

Agree with Gunny B. Take out the refineries and Kharg Island and their economy collapses, no more money for the proxies.

"Can't see any follow ups happening, unless Iran does something stupid."

It's Iran. Of course they will do something stupid. Just a question of what. 🤣

I suspect that US had some input. So, no meaningful attacks as Gunny B said. But the degrading of air defense paves the way for future strikes.

Also, it strikes me that if any Western nation had been attacked as Israel was, it would be a full-on war. Imagine if Cuba launched 200 ballistic missiles on the US.

See my post above.

As mentioned above, the key to the whole thing is Iran's oil exports, which while operating at limited capacity, provide the country with hard currency and funds its client states. My guess is that the U.S. persuaded them not to attack those oil facilities for two reasons; 1) The price of oil would definitely go higher, even though other countries could probably increase output. 2) The Biden regime, much like the Obama regime, still believes that if handled right, Iran could become the dominant player in the Middle East where all other countries would align with them. That way the U.S. (and by extension other powers) only have to deal with one country and not several. Crazy and sounds like a pipe dream, but I've heard multiple State Dept. people mention this over the years.

I'd like you to be correct OVI, but those freaks have been in power since the late 70's. Whatever else you say about them they do know how to keep hold of the reigns and not lose control.

Having said that, internal terrorist acts within Iran have been on the increase over the past 6 months. Good summary of this from ISW. But still a long way to go before the leadership is overthrown, a long way!

" That way the U.S. (and by extension other powers) only have to deal with one country and not several."- aegiscg47

How about Turkey, revive some modern version of the Ottoman empire?

I Think most of you miss the point. Iran could have done far more in its attack than it did. It could have hit Israel's nuclear operations and the major cities. It did not, it showed restraint. Had Israel not show restraint it would have had another major war and Europe would have finally got fed up with the Americans and Israel with there irrational and inhumane response and taken action to impede any further ill judged actions.

Do you honestly think Iran limited its strike to show restraint and mercy?? On this point we will have to disagree.

As for Europe taking actions to stop Israel, now you're just joking right?

Do not forget that Israel is the only nation on earth that is not allowed to win a war. That would upset diplomats.

Bingo !!!!

So it appears they hit missile manufacturing sites and air defences/radars. In other words, an entirely politically driven hit that will not affect Iran in any meaningful way.

Well Israel has to respond in some way. No nation should fire drones, etc. at another and don't expect to be attacked in return. However, IIRC the IDF has an SOP. Something like respond not in proportion. But many times over.

There may be more to come ?

not to attack those oil facilities for two reasons; 1) The price of oil would definitely go higher, even though other countries could probably increase output.

Agreed, the price of oil would be affected worldwide. E.g. in the US the price of gas is much more expensive than it should be. Based currently on the USA's economic policies, etc.

2) The Biden regime, much like the Obama regime, still believes that if handled right, Iran could become the dominant player in the Middle East where all other countries would align with them

That is a very, very bad geopolitical understanding of the reality of the situation, IMO. I can't imagine where or what would have convinced them this is a workable solution. The US POTUS/admin has given them billions of $, IIRC. To what end ? Buying friendship ? DOH !!!!

Crazy and sounds like a pipe dream, but I've heard multiple State Dept. people mention this over the years.

That belief would be/is just reinforcing failure, to say the least. I don't know where some of our elected and appointed leaders come up with concepts like this. Are the just intellectual academics with "book smarts", etc. ? Who really should not be anywhere near DC/WH ? Don't they understand reality, the real world, etc. ?

Do you honestly think Iran limited its strike to show restraint and mercy?? On this point we will have to disagree.

As for Europe taking actions to stop Israel, now you're just joking right?

Gunny B +1

Had Israel not show restraint it would have had another major war and Europe would have finally got fed up with the Americans and Israel with there irrational and inhumane response and taken action to impede any further ill judged actions.

Major war ? With who ? Only Iran and its proxies, i.e. Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are making attacks, the vast majority being on Israel. Recent history is shows us that the other moslem Arab nations really don't want another war with the IDF. They did not fair very well in the series of Arab-Israeli Wars in the past. The Jews will not be killed or pushed into the sea.

Or are European forces going to invade Israel and fight the Jews ? Or punitive actions against the US ?

Had Israel not show restraint it would have had another major war and Europe would have finally got fed up with the Americans and Israel with there irrational and inhumane response and taken action to impede any further ill judged actions.

Had to repeat it, as I am in awe. Irrational & inhuman you say ? 7 Oct was in the news and all over the place. Anti-Semitism is still alive and well it appears.

The IDF's continuing battle vs. Hamas has been handled pretty well. Both tactically and operationally, I am not the only one to say this. Many GEN. Ret. have said the same. They used combined arms i.e. Infantry, AFVs/MBTs, FA and CAS support. With very skillful use of CEs in the combined arms teams to clear mines obstacles, booby traps, etc. And push into Gaza to defeat their enemy. Plus free the hostages Hamas took.

Especially being an urban insurgency. Fighting on the insurgents' territory, where they use their own people as shields. With the tactic that the more of their people die the better it is for Hamas's "jihad". To get the world's sympathy and turn on the Jews[again].

The IDF tried to limit CD, but in the situation I just described. This would be in inevitable. The Israeli's knew they had to prevent Hamas, etc. for doing another 7 Oct again.

In the end Gaza will have to be re-occupied by elements of the IDF. The IDF left Gaza in 2006. Giving the Palestinians the chance to govern themselves, etc. So not only will Hamas have taken very high losses including many of their own civilians. The Gaza Strip will be under the IDF's control… again.

I agree with the level of response by Israel, Iran's massive missile attack was clearly aimed at military targets, so to respond against Economic and Nuclear targets would be a provocation inviting Iran to strike back, rather than deciding honour had been satisfied.

Leaving economic/nuclear targets also allows Israel to threaten them if Iran continues attacking Israel.

Well done IDF, and its nice to see F-15s in action again!!!

If Israel really had wanted to eradicate the Palestinians people, they could easily do it.

As I've said from the beginning: Hamas surrenders the war ends.

Iran "limited its strike" for one reason and one reason only. Iran was terrified of what Israel could do in response if it was severely damaged.
Israel has nukes, don't you know? Iran doubtless has more information than we do.
This whole exchange is a diplomatic farce. Iran feels it must show support to its stooges, errr allies, who are doing all the heavy lifting. So it launches a strike that they know in advance will only show that they attacked.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Iran and Israel had back channel "talks" about what they would tolerate.
Similarly, Israel attacked targets that are symbolically important, but with no real damage. It was a "You do know we can do much more damage, right?" attack.
Gentlemen's agreement.

"I Think most of you miss the point"- UshCha

The USA probably convinced Israel that Europe would suffer unduly from any interruption to the oil markets. This is about you being able to afford to fill up your fuel tank so I think you missed the point, again…

"Europe would have finally got fed up with the Americans and Israel with there irrational and inhumane response and taken action to impede any further ill judged actions."-Ushcha

Fantasy…?

Mazel Tov, Israel! When will people learn not to mess with Israel or the Jews?

Buck215 – Seems the Palestinians/Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran just keep getting schooled …

Iran "limited its strike" for one reason and one reason only. Iran was terrified of what Israel could do in response if it was severely damaged.

Yes., Iran's theocratic leadership is much disliked by about 80% of its population. They know if the US and/or IDF AF wanted to, they could do massive amounts of damage. Making Iran's leadership even more shaky.

Israel has nukes, don't you know? Iran doubtless has more information than we do.

I think the IDF would only use its nukes in retaliation for someone trying to nuke them. If anyone would be the first to use nukes, it would be radical islamists bent on the destruction of Israel. If it came down to who would use nukes first between Israel and Iran[if Iran does not have them, they will] IMO it would be the fundamentalists of Iran's theocracy …

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Iran and Israel had back channel "talks" about what they would tolerate.

Well I don't know if it has got to that. But Israel hits ADA and missile supply points, etc. Clearly military targets. Anytime you blow up your enemies' stuff is good.

I think Iran has a lot to lose if the IDF AF decided to attack in full force with their air assets. E.g. missiles and aircraft, maybe even drones. And Iran knows it …

But they don't need missiles, planes and drones to stay in power. And whilst the Ayatollah's rule Iran they will represent a permanent and very real threat to Israel either directly or indirectly. They need to go, (and then the West in general can get on with reducing the muslim influence everywhere else.)

Currently it seems like the israeli planes encountered something, which we do not know, perhaps electronics, and didnt dare enter iranian airspace. They fired some missiles over iraq and returneed. They only hit one factory. Also it sems like they called of the second wawe of attack. Nope it does not look good.Iranians clearly have anti missile and antaircraft which works.
And israel is now open for attack. Iron dome do not not work against ballistic missiles, and they are clearly running out of anti air missiles. The US battery only has few missiles in its capacity and against an attack 2- 400 misslis it will get hit.

@hornblaeser

Source?

Everything you've just typed hornblaeser isn't supported by ISW and you know what, I'm probably going to believe them.

Subject: Were Iranian ballistic missile capabilities damaged in Israeli strikes? – The Jerusalem Post


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Multi tasking.
I hear there is a waiting line in the Islamic Hall of martyrs. The newest one has number 999,9967. They are currently serving number 76. Virgins are back ordered for the next 20 years.

Subject: Three Hezbollah commanders eliminated in southern Lebanon: Israel


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But they don't need missiles, planes and drones to stay in power.

No they don't, however, they know that the Mossad, etc. has agents working with the Iranian Resistance. The "Free-Iranians" could ally with the IDF and/or get log support. IDF SF could be on the ground working with the resistance calling in IDF AF, etc. on the Ayatollah's forces. Especially the IRGC …

Iran without missiles, aircraft and drones will make them vulnerable to the "Free-Iranians" as well as others in the region. E.g. KSA and of course Israel.

Today a nation without air and anti-air assets is extremely vulnerable.

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If this is true I think Iran will be much more quiet and "reasonable" as they are now wide open to attacks.

Israel can demolish them as they please if necessary. Iran knows this.

I think the current lull will last until after the election. Meantime, the IDF will study the BDA and track the responses to the recent attacks to see what rocks their opponents scurry back under. Bomb, rinse, repeat… ;-)

There was a comment about ISW and they simply copied the other sources Like NYT etc. There is other sources than the israeli bubble, and there are no sattelite pictures to support it. If you go outside the western circles there are a lot of sources and independent persons analysing pictures, videos etc. just like in ukraine. Do not make the mistake of pentagon of only believing their own words. By the way today was the 40, visually confirmed, merkava tank blown up on the lebanon border, and it was reported that the USA pays for 70% of the israeli war budget. Hope you enjoy your taxes.

Show some videos of the blown up Merkavas. And no BS like "you can easily google it". You prove it.

@Hornblaeser

Can you provide a link to your sources to back up any of your claims? Can you be an adult and provide your source as requested instead of insisting we do research for you to prove your claim? Right now you come across as another smack talking European with nothing to back it up…

Shades of Ned Ludd, same debate style…

The US does not provide 70% of the Israeli military budget.

Israel can demolish them as they please if necessary. Iran knows this.

Yes they do … but they still want to push the envelope. As they know the USA's leadership is risk adverse and fears escalation. The WH/many in DC have other priorities …

I think the current lull will last until after the election.

So very true … And I already voted !

By the way today was the 40, visually confirmed, merkava tank blown up on the lebanon border,

Seems a bit high … I'd like more intel on this …

The US does not provide 70% of the Israeli military budget.

No where near that number.

And another one for the stifle list…. No issue with people disagreeing with me, but I don't come on here to read utter rubbish, especially from terrorist supporting vermin.

Gunny, everybody in the pro-Hamas protests are telling him it's all true. 😉

Yeah, I guess that really is enough for some people.

Another US soldier dies in the Mid East … I thought some were saying no Americans have died under the current US elected and appointed leadership ?

Guess they don't count, like those in Jordan/Iraq and before that in A'stan ?

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