| Tango01 | 24 Oct 2024 4:55 p.m. PST |
From OldSarges Wargame and Model blog
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 deadhead  | 25 Oct 2024 1:05 a.m. PST |
It takes you to the Sherman Minutiae pages of course, which are a terrific resource and invaluable if you are a Shermanoholic. |
| Col Piron | 25 Oct 2024 1:53 a.m. PST |
Sherman School: Identifying Variants of the Iconic M4 YouTube link |
| Royston Papworth | 25 Oct 2024 10:48 a.m. PST |
Wow. I thought there were only 2 versions, a Sherman and a Sherman Firefly…. |
| Tango01 | 25 Oct 2024 3:55 p.m. PST |
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| Cerdic | 26 Oct 2024 7:14 a.m. PST |
Royston – there were actually three. You forgot Oddball's Sherman… |
| Col Piron | 26 Oct 2024 12:02 p.m. PST |
there were actually three. You forgot Oddball's Sherman… Four actually , you missed the battle of the bulge version .  |
| Erzherzog Johann | 29 Oct 2024 3:12 a.m. PST |
Didn't Oddball himself have both a couple of 75mm and a 76mm Sherman? |
| deadhead | 29 Oct 2024 10:34 a.m. PST |
He had a Jugoslavian M4A3E4 with VVSS, which they had managed to fit out with a 76 mm gun. It had been thought, in WWII, it could not be done, hence the T23 turret was designed. AFAIK the other two were also 76mm armed. |
| Tango01 | 30 Oct 2024 3:53 p.m. PST |
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| Mark 1 | 31 Oct 2024 3:14 p.m. PST |
He had a Jugoslavian M4A3E4 … with a 76 mm gun. It had been thought, in WWII, it could not be done, hence the T23 turret was designed. It was actually done in WW2. In 1942 in fact. The US 76mm M1 gun was specifically designed to fulfill the requirements for a gun to go in the Sherman tank to match the ballistic performance of the 3-inch gun already going in to the M10 TD. Ordnance was ready to replace the Sherman 75mm with the Sherman 76mm E4 version (for M4, M4A1, M4A2, M4A3 and M4A4) for all 1943 production. The Armor Board conducted testing and rejected the design. It did not meet their requirements for ammo stowage and fighting efficiency. The "T23 turret" was not designed for the Sherman. It was developed for the T23. That tank went into production in 1943. Several hundred were built before the Armored Board and Army Ground Forces (AGF) rejected it for deployment overseas due to the poor experiences the first training units had with the engine and drive. The turret, though, was quite acceptable and fit the same turret ring as the Sherman, so it was lifted from the T23 program and put into production for M4A1, M4A2 and M4A3 Shermans at the end of 1943. At the end of WW2, the Sherman M4A3 76mm(w) HVVS (M4A3E8) was selected as the US Army standard, and most of the rest were seconded off to military aid partners. Many asked for upgrades, so the E4 program was re-started to provide up-gunned Shermans without the cost of whole new turrets. Most aid partners were not as picky about crew space and stowage as the US Army. -Mark
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| Tango01 | 31 Oct 2024 4:01 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the good info…
Armand
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opens a box of dirt roads with shellholes and tread marks on them.