 Editor in Chief Bill   | 01 Oct 2024 6:42 p.m. PST |
A U.S. Navy aviator and TOPGUN graduate looks at the 27 Sep Israeli Air Force strike that took out Lebanese Hezbollah leader Hassan Nassrallah. Proceedings Magazine: link |
| microgeorge | 01 Oct 2024 7:34 p.m. PST |
Nothing kills like overkill. My two cents. |
| smithsco | 01 Oct 2024 8:36 p.m. PST |
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 John the OFM  | 01 Oct 2024 9:11 p.m. PST |
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 McKinstry | 01 Oct 2024 9:26 p.m. PST |
Given the difficulty in identifying the extremely high value, high priority target at a specific time and place, I doubt any reasonable planning would take the slightest risk of not using enough force. |
| Gray Bear | 01 Oct 2024 11:54 p.m. PST |
They had one opportunity to get Nasrallah so why not throw everything at him? Had the first try failed, there would not have been an opportunity for a second. After all, it's not like Nasrallah was being protected by the US Secret Service. |
| HMS Exeter | 02 Oct 2024 2:53 a.m. PST |
I'm reminded of a shootout that got caught on a police dash cam. It was a routine traffic stop. 2 cops were chatting amiably with a family in their car when a man exits the far side of the vehicle and starts shooting at the cops without warning. The family is caught in the crossfire, but no one got hurt. The perp had a loooong clip pistol, and the cops ran out of ammo quickly. While cop 2 was trying to evade the perp, cop 1 reloaded and got the drop on the attacker. He shot the attacker 16 times. Anticipating criticism for the number of shots fired, at the news conference, the sheriff said. "Evil can never be dead enough." |
| Blount | 02 Oct 2024 5:05 a.m. PST |
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| pzivh43 | 02 Oct 2024 5:42 a.m. PST |
There is no such thing as overkill. There is only Open Fire and Reloading! |
| Inch High Guy | 02 Oct 2024 5:59 a.m. PST |
Always use overwhelming force. Fair fights are the result of improper planning. |
 Sgt Slag | 02 Oct 2024 8:24 a.m. PST |
Israel's intelligence on enemies, and their plans as executed (sorry for the pun, couldn't think of another word for it), was impressively accomplished. I used to work as a Pager Technician, repairing them. I also worked as an Electronic Technician doing component level repairs. Planting explosives within pagers, and walkie-talkies, was astoundingly brilliant, and they pulled it off, impressively with phenomenal coordination -- that is one for the history books! Frankly, they wrote a new book on warfare with what they achieved. Looking at it from a military perspective, it was incredible. Again, the intelligence, the planning, and the fulfillment of the plan, was astounding. The word, Brilliant, is not sufficient to express how well they performed. Amazing what Israel has achieved. Cheers! |
 Legion 4 | 02 Oct 2024 8:41 a.m. PST |
Seems many agree … Making sure the target(s) are "terminated with extreme prejudice" … And besides we are talking about islamic Arab terrorists … To paraphrase an old saying, "The only good islamic terrorist is a dead islamic terrorist." Regardless, that is the reality currently … the GWoT continues. If dead leaders are replaced … they will be killed too, by our Allies or the US. ☠☠☠☠ |
| SBminisguy | 02 Oct 2024 10:05 a.m. PST |
Planting explosives within pagers, and walkie-talkies, was astoundingly brilliant, and they pulled it off, impressively with phenomenal coordination Remind me to NEVER buy a Hawuei or other Chinese manufactured cell phone! Maybe we should use bomb sniffers to safety-check all Chinese made devices! |
| Woollygooseuk | 02 Oct 2024 11:16 a.m. PST |
So 80 JDAMs and just one KIA…? |
| microgeorge | 02 Oct 2024 6:22 p.m. PST |
They killed more than just the gig guy. |
| LostPict | 02 Oct 2024 7:03 p.m. PST |
I just took a Navy Weaponeering course. This could have been our open book exam. JDAMs, when you want to send your very best. |
| Legion 4 | 02 Oct 2024 7:08 p.m. PST |
They killed more than just the gig guy
Yes, there were a number of his staff, etc. that died with him. |
| Disco Joe | 03 Oct 2024 4:33 a.m. PST |
You need to use whatever you need to make sure you get the job done. |
| Gunny B | 03 Oct 2024 8:13 a.m. PST |
…plus 10%. Just to be sure. |
| BenFromBrooklyn | 04 Oct 2024 9:55 a.m. PST |
Of course it gave some American officers "raised eyebrows". We like to give the enemy a reasonable chance.
After all, if we had done it Israel style at Tora Bora, we might not have had the fun of spending ten years, and all those lives and billions of dollars chasing Osama Bin Laden. |
| Legion 4 | 04 Oct 2024 3:56 p.m. PST |
Ben once again +1 … Also, a report I heard today said Nasralla's probable replacement was attacked by IDF air assets in Beirut. I'm awaiting a BDA … but he and some of his minions are probably dead … If not … they will be … gave some American officers "raised eyebrows". We like to give the enemy a reasonable chance. May be but my comrades that I served with. Overkill was fine if the ammo was available … the enemy should be given a 0 chance. That is the way we were trained. Again, most of the senior Officers and NCOs in the units I served with were in Vietnam. Sometime more than one tour … We learned from many that not only saw the elephant … but killed it … |
