"GW's Space Marine is Futuristic Fascism" Topic

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Well, yes, the Imperium is a fascist state. If your whole raison d'etre is to kill everybody you meet because the Emperor tells you to, there's really nothing else it can be called.

Not-a-Spoiler Alert: There are no "good guys" in the 40K universe.

(Well, maybe the Squats…)

All the Imperials feel they are good guys. Any that don't, well, that what the Inquisitors are for.

Of course, if I'm playing Space Hulk, the good guys are obvious.

What? Of course I mean the Genestealers!

IDK, I think the Orks follow their bliss.

he characters often feel clone-stamped,

Uh … yeah.

Also, the video game reflects the story of the tabletop game for the last 40 years? Mmmmmmmkay …

Of course there are good gusy in WH40K. The Imperium slaughters them by the millions every day for resisting the Emperor's will.

I fight a losing linguistic battle. "Fascism" is (or was) a specific model of a modern society, nationalist, and featuring trade or industry-wide organizations as an alternative to internationalism and government ownership. Anyone who thinks "militarism" and "autocracy" are the defining principles is invited to watch the parades at Red Square or Tianamen, and to visit the tombs of Lenin and Mao.

Redefining fascism as "any form (or aspect) of government I don't care for" reduces us to the level of T. H. White's ants.

I have real sympathy for the Emperor's forces. How would you like to be reorganized every five years, and regularly replaced by larger copies with more skulls?

Robert +1
The "with more skulls" line cracked me up.

Isn't the Imperium just a monarchy?

"GW's Space Marine is Futuristic Fascism"

Written by an obvious Chaos worshipper…

;-)

"I fight a losing linguistic battle."
That's why I like the 'nids, no government or bureaucratic agencies to deal with and the only "red tape" is tape, that is literally red.

robert piepenbrink+1

Editor-in-Chief Bill, the monarchy has many of the hallmarks of fascism (not Nazism), but implies the existence of official hereditary classes with official privileges of society.

"There are no "good guys" in the 40K universe."

Parzival…the Hive Mind would like a word. :)

Dinner will be provided, no need to dress for the occasion. ;)

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"There are no "good guys" in the 40K universe."

Which is why I don't care for the 40K universe. I don't like playing in a world with no hope, no nobility, and only war. Without hope life is pointless. That's why I use the figures in my own universe.

+1 Dn Jackson. The only 40K thing I play is Space Hulk, because the nihilistic fluff can be ignored. It's just an Aliens game with heavier personal armor.

Realize the critics of the game identify with the Tyranids, or the bugs in Starship Troopers.

It is an absolute dictatorship. Fascism indicates a production choice for the good of the State. The Imperium is a totalitarian dictatorship.

Robert ""Fascism" is (or was) a specific model of a modern society, nationalist, and featuring trade or industry-wide organizations as an alternative to internationalism and government ownership. Anyone who thinks "militarism" and "autocracy" are the defining principles is invited to watch the parades at Red Square or Tianamen, and to visit the tombs of Lenin and Mao".

I'm afraid my dictionary simply defines fascism as a dictatorship untrammelled by the rule of law, so I have to disagree with you. Autocracy is just another word for the same thing and is thus an accurate definition.

Once living in the Imperium of Man, you'll wish you could get fascism.

Fascism (not Nazism) is a natural reaction of capitalist society to a threat. The higher the threat, the less freedom. An absolute threat is an absolute absence of freedom. Even the existence of a state as such is not necessary here – it can easily be replaced by some supranational structure: a conglomerate of powerful corporations, a religious organization, a "council of nameless fathers", even a formal parliament or something similar. Fascism is the destruction of dissent.

Uh… no.

Fascism is not inherently tied to capitalism. They aren't even the same category of things. Capitalism is simply a recognition of the processes of any naturally occurring economic system which rises above the barter state. It has very little to do with government systems or processes, aside from the creation and maintenance of fiat currency. A straight, autocratic monarchy can be functionally capitalist, but so can a true democracy.
Fascism is a government system that places final authority on the head of state, whose dictates can affect any level of society, both functionally governmental and not so— Fascism assumes final, autocratic say on matters of economy (including commerce and industry), religion, education, labor, military operations, and external and internal policy. The truth is, it's a rather fluid term, as there is no hard and fast approach to fascism. Franco's Spain was fascist and enforced Catholicism as the law of the land; Hitler's Germany was fascist, but Hitler and the Nazis were neo-pagan in form, and rejected Christianity as anything other than a tool. And while it's true that the fascists most often had socialists as the preferred enemy, it wasn't so much truly on an economic front as on a dispute as to who would wield the power. Stalin, Mao, et al, may have been communists as far as their expressed economic views and systems, but they were effectively fascist in action. Flip sides of the same coin, and all of it based on government control over everything.

So any dictatorial structure is essentially fascistic in nature if not in name.

In any case, the 40K Imperium certainly adopts fascistic imagery and behavior in the fluff. They are not good guys.
"Everybody fights everybody"— that's the essence of the 40K universe.
Or really, "if you want to win, you have to buy more stuff."

Which, I guess, is certainly capitalist!

Cuprum2 I thought the Ukrainians were the fascist?

While I deplore the linguistic drift of "fascism" to mean "political system of which I disapprove", it's pretty much a lost cause.

I avoid the word unless speaking specifically of Mussolini's party.

Parzival, fascism is an image of society. A united society for the prosperity of one specific state. The unity of all classes in one specific state to achieve a common goal. The owners of the means of production and capital have a common image of the future with the proletarians (people who sell them their labor), under the leadership and absolute regulation of the state (leader, party, class). Everything else (the methods by which this goal is achieved) is unimportant and secondary.
In a communist (socialist) society, the propertied classes will be suppressed. This is the most noticeable difference from a fascist state.
Elements of totalitarianism in such a society will arise with a very high probability, as methods of suppressing dissent. These features are inherent to one degree or another in any state, even those considered democratic. For example, the United States, in which racial segregation existed – partly a Nazi state, oppressing part of its citizens on racial grounds (like the Jews in Germany). And the democratic system did not prevent this. The movement for the rights of blacks was suppressed by the "democratic" state.

dapeters, elements of Nazism are widespread in Ukraine. Hostility towards other peoples (towards Russians), calls for their destruction or expulsion since 2014 (in fact – earlier, but it was not mainstream), destruction of dissent…