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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP02 Sep 2024 12:23 p.m. PST

…silently admitted defeat


"I you've been following the news recently, you could be excused for thinking that the blockade in the Red Sea by Yemen's Ansar Allah — commonly known as "the Houthis" — has been defeated. In recent months, we've heard barely a squeak from foreign policy "experts" about the insurgency. Does this mean the matter has been taken care of? Not quite.

Today, the blockade is stronger than ever, and the American military has given up on trying to lift it. Just a fortnight ago, faced with a deterrent bolstered by zero US aircraft carriers, the Houthis managed to board a Greek-flagged oil tanker, plant some explosives, and chant "Death to America! Death to Israel!" as the vessel went up in flames. Last week, the Pentagon quietly admitted that the tanker is still on fire and now appears to be leaking oil…"

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Armand

Personal logo The Virtual Armchair General Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Sep 2024 1:55 p.m. PST

"Millions in tribute, but not one cent for defense!"

How good the "Woke" and "peace loving" must feel knowing that "Karma" makes everything come out nice.

Gawd Help Us….

TVAG

Nine pound round02 Sep 2024 3:51 p.m. PST

They'll feel it at the pump and the store- closing the Suez Canal lengthens a lot of supply chains.

SBminisguy02 Sep 2024 4:46 p.m. PST

A failure of leadership -- the US military could cripple the Houthis in 24hrs if authorized to do so.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP02 Sep 2024 6:37 p.m. PST

Agreed with all those comments. They see the US leaders lack the will to do what it will take to cripple these terrorists. Again, the USA's top leaders' predilections for being risk adverse and fears escalation is well known by all our enemies. And they will continue to use it to their advantage.

The USA's dogma has cost many more deaths starting with the A'stan debacle. Which demonstrated to Putin, Iran, etc. that the USA's leaders don't have the right stuff. Resulting in the invasion of Ukraine, 7 Oct, the interdiction of shipping in the Red Sea region and the PRC/CCP preparing for war/threating to capture Taiwan.

And more bloody hands …

Cuprum202 Sep 2024 7:10 p.m. PST

The problem is easy enough to solve – you just need to stop the massacre in Gaza. It seems to me that those killed in the Hamas attack have already been avenged a hundredfold…

doubleones03 Sep 2024 3:52 a.m. PST

Cuprum2 is right, you know.

pzivh43 Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 5:36 a.m. PST

I don't agree that Cuprum2 is right. It's not about revenge. It's about getting rid of terrorist bullies. Appeasement never works, it just gives them time to do more. If the terrorists surrendered, there would be peace. If Israel surrenders, there would be genocide.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 5:52 a.m. PST

The deaths of the Palestinians are on the heads of Hamas. Hamas surrenders, it ends. Simple.

There is no peace with radical Islam, as has been proven for centuries.

One might even say: There is no peace with Islam. This is a "NATO ally". But what should one expect from a country where the head of the country rants about sending troops to fight Israel.

Subject: Two US servicemen violently attacked in Turkey by anti-American protesters in shocking video: 'Yankee, go home!'


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Cuprum203 Sep 2024 7:24 a.m. PST

Such methods of war do not lead to the destruction of Hamas. On the contrary, they lead to the radicalization of the Arab population and the increase in the ranks of Islamic terrorists. Everyone who has lost their relatives at the hands of the Israelis will take revenge. This is natural. Violence will grow. In the end, the entire region may explode in war. Another step towards a world war.
How long has the operation been going on? Almost a year. In a limited area, with overwhelming superiority in all types of weapons, Israel has no clear results. What do you expect as a result? The destruction of all Palestinians? Their rejection of Hamas? Hardly – for them, Hamas is now the only defender.
Yesterday, the Israeli TV channel Channel 12 reported that, according to their sources, Hamas has received three thousand new fighters who have undergone training and has resumed operations in the north of Gaza, in those territories that Israel has already swept through with fire and sword several times.
"This music will be eternal…"

The operation against the Houthis had already been announced and was even carried out. There are no results. You can bomb their clay and tin slums as much as you want – it doesn't scare them. A ground operation is needed there. Are you prepared?

35thOVI, this is the East… Do you expect the Turks to sympathize with the infidels?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 8:58 a.m. PST

I was listening to a writer this morning. He has been in Gaza and the West Bank currently and in the past. He said most Palestinians support Hamas. That supports polls and what I have read elsewhere.

Israel stops, Hamas will grow. Israel continues, Hamas will grow. Israel does nothing, Hamas will grow. But if option 1 and 3 are tried (again), Hamas will just launch larger attacks and kill more civilians in the future. Option 2 allows Israel to kill those joining.

The attacks against Israel will never cease. The Muslims view them as an enclave of non-Muslims. Just as the Crusader States. Israel shows weakness or division and those around them will sweep in and destroy them, as Muslims have always done in the past.

There is no peace with radical Islam. I believe everywhere, where countries have allowed Muslims to migrate in large amounts, they will see that, in the not too distant future, as they have to smaller degrees already.

It has not been a religion of peace, but one of expansion by any means, since the 600's. Only superior military strength in the west, has kept it temporarily in check.

Central Europe and Spain should be familiar with this, as should Russia. Give them time, weapons, large populations in western countries and they will be back. Iran with nuclear weapons…..

But as I said: Hamas surrenders, this ends (for now).

Fitzovich Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 9:02 a.m. PST

I must agree with Cuprum. The Hamas attack in October was horrific, but Israel that got caught completely flatfooted has likely done more damage to themselves and their future with the response. They are creating more anti Israeli sentiments each and every day in the region.

Nine pound round03 Sep 2024 9:22 a.m. PST

Here's a thought experiment for you. Go back and reread Cuprum's post- and make the following mental substitutions:

- For "Hamas," substitute "the Ukrainian government."

- For "Gaza," substitute "Ukraine."

- For "Palestinians," or "Arabs," substitute "Ukrainians."

- For "Israel," substitute "Russia."

If you emerge with a corrected version that looks like anything else he's had to say over the past two years, you can safely conclude this is advice given in good faith.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 9:46 a.m. PST

No matter what Israel would have done, it would cause anti Israeli sentiments. Nothing has ever changed that, since Israel reemerged. Any time Israel responds, they are condemned. Poor innocent Palestinians killed, poor innocent Lebanonize killed.., and so on and so on. But when poor innocent Israelis are killed.. "Israel sit back and take it, maybe we'll send you some vaseline so it won't hurt as much".

Israel needs to do what they feel is necessary to protect their country and people.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 10:51 a.m. PST

The problem is easy enough to solve – you just need to stop the massacre in Gaza. It seems to me that those killed in the Hamas attack have already been avenged a hundredfold…
That is the dynamics of fighting terrorists, especially islamists who don't care if they die for their cause. You kill someone's daddy, mommy, brother, sister, etc., etc. then some of their surviving kin now go on jihad. We saw similar in Vietnam with the VC.

I don't agree that Cuprum2 is right. It's not about revenge. It's about getting rid of terrorist bullies. Appeasement never works, it just gives them time to do more. If the terrorists surrendered, there would be peace. If Israel surrenders, there would be genocide.
That is how I and many others see it … Since even before the 1948 first Arab Israeli War. There have been only a few long periods of peace in that region. Eventually many of Israel's enemies have figured out going to war with the IDF accomplishes little. But more dead and maimed.

Who still thinks they can "drive the Israelis into the sea" ? And actively seeks conflict, a conflict that has been going in '48, '56, '67, '73, IIRC '82 and 2006. With frequent terrorists attack in between. To paraphrase Bill Mahr, about the Arab Israeli Wars, asking the Arabs, "So how's that working out for ya?" …

At this point with USA's current leaderships' failures in dealing with Iran effectively. Iran's theocratic leaders who hate the Jews are supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis. The USA's leaders were completely out touch, with the reality of what taking on Iran diplomatically, etc. really means. As with in A'stan the US gov't was and is completely wrong. Which many don't want to believe or admit …

On the contrary, they lead to the radicalization of the Arab population and the increase in the ranks of Islamic terrorists. Everyone who has lost their relatives at the hands of the Israelis will take revenge. This is natural. Violence will grow. In the end, the entire region may explode in war. Another step towards a world war.
A partly incorrect evaluation of the situation and not only I believe that IMO.

How many Arab moslem nation Arab are actively attacking Israel ? The Arab world is not one monolith construct. As we saw in '48, etc. Most the Arab islamic nation do not want to destroy the Jews. The Arabs in the region not only are divided by two major versions of the same religion. But as e.g. A'stan there are tribal differences that go back for a very, very long time.

There will not be all the Arab nation ganging up on the Jews, as was seen in the past. Mostly likely Egypt, Jordan and Iraq will not join this "jihad". Nor the KSA, or many of the other moslem nation in the region. So again, the threat will only be as we see currently. Iran supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis.

That is not a World War. Any more than the concept of Russians invasion of Ukraine will cause WWIII.

Do you expect the Turks to sympathize with the infidels?
As we see with the Turks becoming less secular and more religious that may be a bit of a problem. With Turkey having the second largest military in NATO. When they joined NATO their religion at that time really did interfere. The Turks wanted to become more like Western Europe back then.

As we know many followers of islam see those that don't follow their religion are considered "infidels". Even the Sunni and Shia refer to each other as infidels, at times. ISIS calls everyone else who is not ISIS – infidels. Nothing new there.

FWIW, those Marines were most likely briefed to avoid conflict with the local islamists. I.e. that could be considered the "ROE". Had that not been the case. Those Marines would have put their attackers on the ground with injuries, etc. But of course, that is not good geopolitics nor optics.

Which seems to be the bottom line currently, and even in the past.

SBminisguy03 Sep 2024 11:20 a.m. PST

The problem is easy enough to solve – you just need to stop the massacre in Gaza. It seems to me that those killed in the Hamas attack have already been avenged a hundredfold…

Exactly! I mean, by the time the Soviets had defeated the Germans at Kursk they'd already avenged the casualties inflicted on them, so there was no need to prolong the war and continue to attack all the way to Berlin and dig the Nazi leadership out of the Furher Bunker!

pzivh43 Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 12:28 p.m. PST

+1 Legion

And SBminisguy, why didn't we send aid convoys to Germany during WW@. We were so barbaric!

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 1:01 p.m. PST

Nine pound round + 1


There's nothing better than seeing the straw in someone else's eye…

Israel should give the Palestinians the opportunity to enjoy the benefits of its economy by forcing the young population to study in non-religious schools/universities and giving them good jobs… in a couple of generations the problem would be solved by 80%.


Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 3:16 p.m. PST

Interestingly, 20% of Israeli citizens are not Jewish. They are moslem, Christian, etc. And there are some moslem citizens, especially females that don't seem to have a problem living in Israel.

Again all those that want to destroy Israel and kill Jews, well that is not going to happen. For all the reasons I posted before. And probably more …

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 4:14 p.m. PST

Legion

"Again all those that want to destroy Israel and kill Jews, well that is not going to happen. For all the reasons I posted before. And probably more …"

Actually it will, if the Jews in Israel keep allowing themselves to be divided. Also if the rise in antisemitism that we are seeing on the left, continues to foster here and elsewhere. Did you see Columbia University today?

You will also see it as enclaves of Muslims, such as in Minneapolis and areas of Michigan, allow people like Talib and Omar to be elected and bring their anti Israeli beliefs to Washington. Along with others indoctrinated in the concepts of "oppressed and oppressors". Israel is viewed by many of the last 2 generations out of our colleges, as "white oppressors" and the Palestinians along with Hamas, as "the oppressed".

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 4:53 p.m. PST

I think the Jews will remember their past during WWII and afterwards and all the wars they fought. And they will in the end still be one.

Saw what is happening at Columbia today. What we see is IMO the fact that the leaders of the universities don't have the skills to handle useful dupes supported by wealthy woke leftists. Most are intellectual academics out of their element when not in the classroom. Really know little about reality. The mayors of these cities are not much better. They all don't want to offend anyone, so the vocal minority has the advantage.

You will also see it as enclaves of Muslims, such as in Minneapolis and areas of Michigan, allow people like Talib and Omar to be elected and bring their anti Israeli beliefs to Washington. Along with others indoctrinated in the concepts of "oppressed and oppressors". Israel is viewed by many of the last 2 generations out of our colleges, as "white oppressors" and the Palestinians along with Hamas, as "the oppressed".
IMO Omar & Talbi should be investigated … but that won't happen as no one wants to be labelled racists, etc. They keep getting elected by the voters in their districts, etc. We can't deny that … that is the way our Republic works. However, many seems to be molsems first and Americans second. That may not be rare.

However, what is really means to be an American is getting watered down a bit by the wealthy woke left progressive minority. Don't know if that will be changed anytime soon. But we are based on freedom of speech etc. so that can be a double edge sword. But better that way than tyranny.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 5:08 p.m. PST

I saw people in that antisemitic Columbia crowd today carrying UAW signs. I even saw 2 orthodox jews marching with them. 😔

Cuprum203 Sep 2024 7:41 p.m. PST

35thOVI, Russia has been living with its Muslims (30% of the population) for 300 years and this rarely causes problems. All radical Islamic movements come from outside.
Hamas will not surrender. The war with the infidels is the meaning of their existence. The more extensive the war, the better for them. Islamic radicalism can only be defeated by an alternative, secular, tolerant Islam. How to do this? We need to think. But in addition to the stick, there must be a carrot.

Nine pound round, nothing to do with Ukraine. Just look at the number of civilian deaths – it is insignificant, given the scale of the conflict. In addition, there is no religious or ethnic component in the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, at least on the Russian side.

Three days ago we had City Day (Barnaul, Siberia). The second largest national component in my region is Ukrainians. There are many purely Ukrainian towns and villages. We have a Ukrainian cultural center in our city. No hate or bias…

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The first music video is a performance by a Ukrainian musical group, the second is by a German one (many Germans live in my region, there are also German villages and even a city).
The war is against Ukrainian authorities, but not against Ukrainians.

SBminisguy, you are distorting. Hamas is not a state. It's an ideology. You can't destroy an ideology with force of arms. And they are not occupying Israeli territory. More like the opposite…

Dragon Gunner03 Sep 2024 10:06 p.m. PST

It seems paying higher cost and longer supply chains are deemed an acceptable alternative.

The USA is slowly withdrawing from it's role as global cop.

Europe has the most to lose by a Red Sea shipping lane closure, perhaps they could pony up some boots on the ground…

SBminisguy03 Sep 2024 10:12 p.m. PST

@cuprum

SBminisguy, you are distorting. Hamas is not a state.

Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 and GAVE it to the Palestinians. The Palestinians elected Hamas, who the butchered the opposition to rule as the party of the State. A totalitarian rule that taught ethno-nationalist supremacy, religious orthodoxy and an expansionist vision of conquest to create a "Greater Palestine," and death to the Jews. If any of that sounds familiar, the foundational roots of Hamas are intertwined with Nazi Germany.

It's an ideology. You can't destroy an ideology with force of arms.

Ahhh…I'd say you definitely can destroy an ideology with force of arms -- witness the death of Fascist ideology in Germany.

And they are not occupying Israeli territory. More like the opposite…

See above. There has been no occupation of Gaza for almost 20 years, Israel withdrew in 2005. The truth you don't want to hear is that there already IS a Two State Solution -- and the Arab State is called Jordan, and it was created out of the British Palestine Mandate at the same time as Israel was.

The TRUTH is the Arabs rejected the Two State solution and after expelling their Jewish populations, the Arab States told the Arabs living in the new State of Israel to leave – that the Arabs would wipe out all the Jews and then the Israel Arabs could move back after the Jews were all exterminated and they could take over all the Israeli farms and homes. They lost.

The TRUTH is that then the Arab States largely refused asylum to the Arabs from Israel and they CREATED the "refugee" problem. On purpose.

The TRUTH is there was no "Palestinian" identity until it was CREATED by the SOVIET UNION and the ARAB LEAGUE in the 1960s as asynchronous warfare against their common enemy, Israel.

The TRUTH is that after the '56 War, the '67 War, the '73 War and the War in Lebanon (started by Iran with Soviet and Syrian help), the Palestinians had managed to manufactured an identity while pissing off every Arab State in the region:

* The Palestinians staged a coup in Jordan and tried to kill the Jordanian King
* They tried to take land in Syria
* They destabilized Lebanon, plunging it into civil war and forcing an Israeli incursion to oust the PLO
* The PLO moved to Tunisa and after staging multiple attacks in Israel (never peace) the Israelis retaliated and the PLO was ejected.
*The PLO went to Egypt where they did the same thing, AND the Palestinians attacked Egyptian tourism sites while allying with the Muslim Brotherhood -- which is why Egypt sealed their border with Gaza.
*The Palestinians sided with Iraq when it invaded Kuwait, upon liberation Kuwait ejected several hundred thousand Palestinians

The TRUTH is the Israelis have tried to trade land for peace for 30 years -- at each step there was more violence to get more land, until in 2005 Israel GAVE the GAZA to the Palestinians and enabled the foundation of another TWO STATE solution. But in 2007 Hamas started the Gaza War and took over, killing any Fatah and opposition members too slow to run.

Then Hamas has spent over $ 20 BILLION in foreign aid on its leaders' princely lifestyle and homes in Quatar and on weapons, tunnels and terror training. In context, that money could have given Gaza an independent modern electrical grid, it's own water supplies from desalination plants, and modern communications, schools and civil infrastructure.

Nope -- Hamas runs Gaza like tyrants, they control all the aid money, they control who can start a business, they control the media, they control the schools, they control the legal system and military -- and if you're not sufficiently loyal bad things will happen to you. And they spend the last 15-16 years indoctrinating children into a dead-end death cult every bit as evil as what the Nazis did in the 1930s. As long as Hamas has power the Palestinians have no future.

Oh, and the TRUTH is that the Palestinian population has TRIPLED during this time period, not been subject to genocide. Oh and to western supporters who may be ignorant, Hamas rejects western norms of Human Rights, executes Gays and is highly intolerant, xenophobic and regressive. So that's the Truth that you do not like to hear.

Cuprum203 Sep 2024 10:43 p.m. PST

As far as I remember, it was Israel that supported Hamas as an alternative to the Palestine Liberation Organization. Supporting some terrorists against others is a bad game. While winning in the short term from weakening one of the parties, it ultimately leads to sad results for the one playing with the devil. Terrorists will definitely turn against such a player. This has happened many times: Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and others.

Given the right to choose to a people that has no practice or culture of democracy? Why? They will always choose dictatorship. They simply do not know how to live any other way. The people must "mature" for democracy…

As an option, this territory should have been transferred to the international administration of the UN. Just an option…

Fascist ideology has not died, it still exists and is not even banned in many countries. It is only a matter of time in which country it will again become the main one. National and racial hatred is flourishing, even in the West. And the problem of migration greatly contributes to this.

I am quite indifferent to your truth – it is not my conflict, not my interest. But I understand that the East, having exploded in war, will come to our borders. And that is what I do not want…

Want to fight? Make war. But I am afraid that modern politicians are so incompetent that they can easily blow up the whole world…

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2024 11:53 p.m. PST

Fascist ideology has not died…. even in Germany… For example, in Thuringia recently… what is striking is that this resurgence occurs MOSTLY in the areas that were under Soviet control… as well as in Hungary and other countries that enjoyed Russian prosperity…

Could it be that the Nazis were the same as the Soviets (as was claimed and shown in those days of WW2) and that now we see that they were right?


Armand

Cuprum204 Sep 2024 1:38 a.m. PST

Nonsense. Nazis are racial or national hatred. There is nothing like that in Russia and there never was. Russia has never been and will never be a mono-ethnic state.

I would say that elements of fascism are now present in most large states. But no one fully meets this definition. Well, any warring state, naturally, will also be very close to this form of society simply by necessity.

So no matter how much you want to stretch an owl onto a globe – nothing will come of it. Your owl will burst))) Russia is definitely not a more fascist state now than Ukraine. More precisely – less (any racial, national, class or other hatred is simply absent). There is no ideology in Russia – and without it, fascism is impossible. I would say that Russia has turned into nothing more than a pseudo-monarchy.
And maybe you can return to the topic of the thread? Your pathological hatred of Russia is already known to everyone, but another problem is discussed here.

Nine pound round04 Sep 2024 4:16 a.m. PST

Nazis were the party whose speakers once proclaimed "our programme is Adolf Hitler." Everyone likes to use the term as a label for toxic opponents, but the fact is that no party ever had less of a program than the Nazis did. They were the party of a man, and that man had little in the way of a strategic plan or concept- just his prejudices and hatreds, but at the end of the day, it was those moods, however momentary, that passed for a program. When he died, his organization died with him, and his followers' attempts to piece some coherent post hoc justification for their own conduct together amounted to, "we did what he told us." That's one reason why Germany was the only nation in Europe that generated no resistance.

You can pin the name on any opponent you like, but it's bogus and dishonest, and reveals only that you've realized the name allows your own hate a satisfactory release.

Cuprum204 Sep 2024 5:09 a.m. PST

They had a program and they implemented it quite consistently…

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Manifesto of the Italian Fascists:

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Nine pound round04 Sep 2024 5:18 a.m. PST

BTW, it's also false and dishonest to say, "there is nothing like that in Russia, and never was" when speaking of racial hate. Russian anti-Semitism has a long and notorious – to say nothing of well documented – history.

Cuprum204 Sep 2024 5:23 a.m. PST

I agree. Unfortunately, this phenomenon was widespread throughout Europe, especially Eastern Europe. But it was more of a religious intolerance than a national one. Baptized Jews enjoyed all the rights that existed at that time.

Nine pound round04 Sep 2024 5:27 a.m. PST

It's telling that your first link cites a program that dates from the years before Hitler took over the party and made it purely his instrument, and hilarious that the summary ends in the words "in later years, many points were ignored."

That you cite an Italian socialist manifesto as an instance of what the Nazis believed is likewise indicative that you don't know what you're talking about: Hitler's National Socialism was an endogenous phenomenon, not an offshoot of Mussolini's.

Really, you've got to try harder.

Nine pound round04 Sep 2024 5:28 a.m. PST

Cuprum, I've drunk vodka with far too many Russians to ever believe it's that simple.

Cuprum204 Sep 2024 5:51 a.m. PST

Just what? What are you trying to prove?

Hitler wanted "living space" – and he achieved it. Hitler wanted a paradise for the Germans – he achieved it. Hitler wanted the superiority of the German nation – he achieved it. Openly and relentlessly. The tactics could change – the final goal remained unchanged.

Nine pound round04 Sep 2024 5:55 a.m. PST

The obvious point, of course: that your dishonesty is meant to defend the indefensible. But you're helping me out considerably by pointing out something I knew but hesitated to say- that tolerance extends only to people who discard their religion.

Or is that what passes for tolerance in Russia?

Nine pound round04 Sep 2024 6:04 a.m. PST

What he achieved was a bullet in the head, as it all collapsed around him. The only goal Hitler ultimately achieved was his nihilist's vision of the alternative that awaited if he failed- spectacular, total defeat, on a scale so epic that even his tastes became toxic.

Cuprum204 Sep 2024 6:05 a.m. PST

You are talking about the 19th century. Since the Russian Revolution, Jews have held the highest positions in Russia. From Leon Trotsky to the very last days of the USSR: Yuri Andropov – Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR (head of state).

Since the revolution of 1917 and up to the present time, Russia is a secular state and a person's religion has no meaning (unless it is belonging to a destructive sect, of course).

No. Hitler with his ideas actually subjugated all of Europe to Germany and stood on the verge of changing the entire world order. At that time, humanity passed within a few millimeters of a world concentration camp, where the future would belong only to the "Aryan race". Hitler had a lot of chances for success and the fact that he was stopped is a great success.

Nine pound round04 Sep 2024 6:05 a.m. PST

If you keep going back and changing your posts, it's harder to cram everything into a single response- but perhaps that's the idea.

Nine pound round04 Sep 2024 6:08 a.m. PST

Really? That concept was explained to me by a Russian Jewish emigre with personal experience of it in the Twenty-First.

Tell me – is the phrase, "Beat the Jews, save Russia," or the other way around? I heard it from multiple Russians, but I can't remember whether I have it front to back.

Nine pound round04 Sep 2024 6:15 a.m. PST

That fact that you're talking so continually about Hitler reinforces the point I am trying to make: the Nazi Party was Hitler, and little else.

Cuprum204 Sep 2024 6:22 a.m. PST

It's not me who's talking about Hitler, it's you. I'm talking about Nazism. Hitler is just a talking head. And for some time now – a scapegoat, behind whom all the other Nazis tried to hide.

Here's a list of famous Russian Jews, for some reason far from complete, but it gives an idea of ​​their position in Soviet and Russian society in the 20th-21st centuries.
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And let's talk about the problems in the Middle East, which this topic is dedicated to, and not discuss the ideas of the Nazis and the problems of nationalities in Russia.

Nine pound round04 Sep 2024 6:41 a.m. PST

Suit yourself, it was you who raised the issue of fascist "ideology." You can go back to analyzing other people's problems, if you prefer.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP04 Sep 2024 6:50 a.m. PST

As I said, from all I've seen, read and heard, the majority of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank support Hamas(as it seems do a lot of US students, teachers and Muslims).

The world seems to be so concerned about innocent Palestinians being killed, but why no concern for the thousands of Nigerian Christians being massacred by Muslims. 🤔 Because those killing them are black too? Because they are Christians? Because it's not in, in our colleges, as they are not "true" oppressors and oppressed?

"Islamist terror groups Boko Haram and the Islamic State of West Africa Province, and predominantly Muslim Fulani militants, who originally were herdsmen." Are those massacring them.

If the Palestinians want this stopped, turn on Hamas and stop supporting them. If Hamas cares about the Palestinians, surrender. I'm not going to cry crocodile tears.

Others have pretty much given responses I would have.

Cuprum204 Sep 2024 7:31 a.m. PST

35thOVI, people only see what the media focuses on. The media is silent – the problem does not exist. In fact, this is manipulation of public opinion. Alas – this is a widespread phenomenon.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP04 Sep 2024 7:56 a.m. PST

Caprum that is true.

But people only see what the media presents, because they refuse to read and listen to sources that oppose what they want to believe. I read sources from both sides and after a period of time, I determine which have the best track record of truths. I would know nothing about Nigeria and the Christian slaughter, if I had not.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP04 Sep 2024 9:36 a.m. PST

As I keep saying.

Don't take the Asp to your breast and expect it not to strike. That is its nature.

"When we are in majority, we will take control of Germany by force. Sharia law will replace German laws. If Germans oppose Sharia, they will be punished. Gays will be thrown (off) a cliff from the mountains.""

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SBminisguy04 Sep 2024 11:16 a.m. PST

As far as I remember, it was Israel that supported Hamas as an alternative to the Palestine Liberation Organization. Supporting some terrorists against others is a bad game.

And Russia supported the Nazis in 1939 and jointly invaded and annexed Poland. How'd that work out for you? About as well as any Israeli support for Hamas under the table. Remember, above the table Israel spent a lot of $$ to try and make Gaza successful. But both sides need to want peace for peace to be possible.

Fascist ideology has not died…. even in Germany… For example, in Thuringia recently

Nah, that's just whinging from the German Establishment and Leftists that many Germans are angry about continued mass unsustainable immigration causing rising economic issues, violence and crime. In fact, the Establishment itself is much more fascistic than than the populist push-back in Thuringia -- punishing wrong-think, manipulating the vote count, banning people and trying to ban and criminalize political opposition.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP04 Sep 2024 1:43 p.m. PST

The USA is slowly withdrawing from it's role as global cop.
Well that certainly seems to be the case currently. However, it appears if the USA does not get involved in some situations, things don't always go that well. IMO, when the USA does not take the initiative or at least be present to be "on the team". A very good example is when the USA actually does not show leadership, etc. and our enemies see it they will take advantage of this void. This what we see in the WH/DC today.

Proof of this is again, the A'stan debacle, which was the match that lit the fuse. With the results being the war in Ukraine and Iran's puppets attacking Jews and even shipping.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP04 Sep 2024 2:47 p.m. PST

Another problem is when our military defeat the enemy and then the politicians decide that they should stay and "nation build"…. Iraq and Afghanistan. Trying to make democracies out of countries that could never support a democracy and don't want one.

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