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16 Aug 2024 9:10 p.m. PST
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hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP09 Aug 2024 2:17 a.m. PST

Hello everyone,
Apart from the eternal Irish and Germans, what ethnic regiments are there in the ACW?

rustymusket09 Aug 2024 3:01 a.m. PST

Lots of Germans from St. Louis,Missouri area. Gen. Franz Seigel.

HMS Exeter09 Aug 2024 3:04 a.m. PST

The Garibaldi Guards, 39th New York. Italians.

The Confederates accepted a number of "regiments" raised by local leaders in the Indian Nations.

FilsduPoitou09 Aug 2024 4:11 a.m. PST

55th New York Infantry Regiment (Gardes de Lafayette) was made up on French immigrants.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP09 Aug 2024 4:40 a.m. PST

The 79th New York was made up of Scottish vets from British regiments – they even had kilts for full dress! They also served in pretty much every battle in the Eastern theatre

Lou from BSM09 Aug 2024 6:07 a.m. PST

Several Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Illinois units comprised of various Scandinavians, with the 15th Wisconsin being primarily Swedes.

TimePortal09 Aug 2024 6:35 a.m. PST

Mostly ethnic companies. A lot of French descendants in SW Alabama who came over after the first fall of Napoleon or left New Orleans when the French sold Louisiana to US. Scots in my area of east-central Al. Germans from the NW part of the State. The were the Foreign Guard and the Irish Guard raised in Montgomery county raised to protect the CSA capital before it moved to VA. I will check for more.
Do remember that Union sentiment was strong in some areas. They had to have multiple votes to join the CSA. In fact Winston county declared itself to be theFree State of Winston.

TimePortal09 Aug 2024 7:59 a.m. PST

Nope checked but no ethnic regiments. The Alabama 21 out of the Mobile area had the French Guards and the Spanish Guards. The Alabama 8 Regiment had the German Fusiliers and the Emerald Guard (Irish). Several companies used Highlanders in their name. Names can be misleading as using Native names like Choctaw, Cherokee, Chickasaw and Hillabee (Creek). These did not have Native Americans in them.

Wackmole909 Aug 2024 8:24 a.m. PST

Most of the NM Volunteer units were Mexican or Spainsh.

rmaker09 Aug 2024 10:30 a.m. PST

Wisconsin had at least one Norwegian regiment.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP09 Aug 2024 10:39 a.m. PST

The Confederates had an Hispanic and native American general.

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP10 Aug 2024 10:45 p.m. PST

@rustymusket
Yes, after the Irish, the Germans were the most numerous immigrants?

@HMS Exeter
Yes, the Indians, like the blacks, were in separate units.

Are there also Jewish regiments in the ACW?

@FilsduPoitou
French immigrants???

So people born in France or a mix of French speakers?

There must not have been many?

@Frederick
Scottish vets from British regiments who wore kilts for their grand dress, but alas not in combat!

@Lou from BSM
I suppose that many immigrants were not English-speaking, hence the interest of such units?

@TimePortal
Were they obliged to serve?

Because I believe that they did not all have American "nationality", if this concept existed at the time.

This is off topic but for example I read somewhere that during WWII American soldiers received American citizenship in the middle of the Italian campaign?

@Wackmole9
Interesting, Mexicans will fight for the Confederates rather than for or against Benito Juárez García?

@rmaker
Unbelievable these ethnic regiments.

@Shagnasty
Ah yes, question of ranks, they must not have gone very high in general?

Lilian11 Aug 2024 10:05 a.m. PST

The Garibaldi Guards, 39th New York. Italians.

far to be an Italian regiment
in my Don Troiani's book depicted as
the most cosmopolitan of all volunteer regiments
Hungarians Italians Spanish French Swiss and Germans

55th New York Infantry Regiment (Gardes de Lafayette) was made up on French immigrants.

far to be a French regiment
in august 1861 650 men of which 200 French only, the rest were germans

French-speaking you have migrants in New York indeed such as the 53rd NY d'Epineuil Zouaves merged with Indians, but whole regiments…
whole french-speaking companies by the French-Canadians immigrants in some regiments from both Northeastern States with french names Maine and Vermont

obviously in Louisiana where by the simple fact of the demography there were still two French créoles for one anglosaxon inhabitant in the years 1830'

TimePortal11 Aug 2024 2:27 p.m. PST

As I stated earlier, nicknames do not indicated ethnic composition or special skills of the company members.

A good topic to research is for CSA units. The use of replacement policy versus reinforcements being the sending of new companies or squads to fill the ranks of active companies. However new regiments or battalions later in the war were raised in Alabama.

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP11 Aug 2024 10:49 p.m. PST

@Lilian
650 men of which 200 French only,it's logical…

@TimePortal
Nicknames with a real ethnic composition could have attracted volunteers.

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