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hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP16 Jul 2024 3:58 a.m. PST

Hello everyone ,

Only one thing of which I think I am certain is that in the French infantry regiments under the Second Empire, the standard was normally – when it was taken into combat – carried by the second battalion and carried into combat by a sous-lieutenant.

But I don't know what it was like in Crimea and what happened to the French cavalry?

And you ?

On the other hand, I really have no information on the ranks of those who carried the standards of the British, Russian, Turkish and Sardinian infantry and cavalry units at the various stages of the Crimean War and if even their standards were taken into combat and nor the number of standards in each of their units?

And you ?

Artilleryman17 Jul 2024 3:11 a.m. PST

I cannot help with other armies, but the British system was little changed from the Napoleonic set-up. The cavalry did not carry their standards on campaign. In the infantry, each battalion had two standards or colours each carried by an ensign, the lowest rank of officer (later replaced long after the War by second lieutenant except in the Guards).

The colours were the Queen's Colour based upon the Union Flag and the Regimental Colour based upon the facing colour of the regiment with a Union Flag in the upper staff canton. Of course the Guards were different with the Queen's Colour being scarlet and the Regimental Colour being the Union Flag. You can see the details easily by going to the GMB site and having a look.

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Hope that is a start.

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP18 Jul 2024 10:28 p.m. PST

@Artilleryman

Ok thank you and also for the link.

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hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2024 1:40 a.m. PST

So for Adolfo Ramos
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as for Great War Miniatures
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and GMB Designs
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all the flags of the Russian infantry regiments in Crimea were identical?

These manufacturers offer the standards of the Russian Imperial Guard and the Russian Grenadier Corps which, however, did not send any regiment to Crimea and therefore did not participate in this war.

For the cavalry that I saw on the sites of Adolfo Ramos and Flags and GMB Designs , that they distinguished the flags of the Russian cavalry in relation to the color of the buttons and the sleeves of the riders?


But in battle, Russian cavalrymen wore coats that hid their distinctive colors.

Adolfo Ramos offers several flags per battalion of the British Guards, company flags???

Do you think that in the British Royal Guard regiments there was one flag per company?

For the French army there are no regiments of chasseurs in the French army, but battalions of chasseurs à pied and none had flags because the corps ofchasseurs à pied was a subdivision of the french infantry.

This light infantry corps created by the Duke of Orléans from 1837, is recognized by the unique flag of the Chasseurs à pied, symbol of their unity and the cohesion of this elite corps.

Later, other types of chasseurs à pied would appear, such as the chasseurs alpins in the late 19th century, chasseurs cyclistes and chasseurs portés in the 20th century.

For the chasseurs à cheval, their flag (one per regiment this time) indicated "Chassuer à cheval" on their standard after the regiment number.

Apart from the three manufacturers mentioned, do you know of any others?

Personal logo Nashville Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2024 9:39 a.m. PST

and the order of the flags for guards was opposite of the line …

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2024 11:33 p.m. PST

@Nashville
What order of the flags?

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