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Baranovich18 Jun 2024 10:25 p.m. PST

I had a number of left over Perry plastic confederates in hats and waist-length jackets. I also had the slouch hat and head metal conversion pack that Perry makes so you can change up hats. The Perry confederates all having the short jackets gave me an idea for giving them an alternate use.

For my modest, small Union army in 28mm I wanted to have at least one "typical" looking Western theater Union Army regiment, maybe from the Army of the Cumberland, Army of the Ohio, etc.

So, from my years of reading and studying, I remembered a reference I came across of some Union soldiers that had been issued frock coats who cut off the skirts, and converted them into improvised shell jackets of a sort. The skirt cloth was then saved for general clothing repair patches, gun cleaning patches, etc.

This made the coat somewhat cooler as it removed the cloth that would be hanging around the hips and upper legs.

The regiment that was referenced was a western regiment I believe, but the exact regiment escapes me now.

However, there was some suggestion that the practice may have been more prevalent than some realize, perhaps in both the western and eastern theaters. Of course, it was probably also forbidden in certain commands to modify the coats in this way. And of course many commands would start campaigns in the fatigue blouse and ignore the frock coat altogether. So there's a whole host of potential scenarios. If my memory serves correctly, Union soldiers as a general thing were often given the choice of taking the fatigue blouse or the frock coat as their primary garment when a campaign opened.

Another historical reference I used was the common practice of cutting down the issue Hardee hats and making them a "one story affair" instead of the taller height they were issued at. Another common practice was to crease and reshape the crown of the Hardee hat to the soldier's liking.

The resulting general look is what we imagine when we think of the western federal armies, as a general thing.

So here I'm loosely representing a Wisconsin regiment in standard federal issue gear, with the cut down issue hats, possibly some of them with the modified frock coats, or issue shell jackets. One of the flag bearers is the lone Perry Union plastic figure in the regiment, he has a fatigue blouse, and is indeed the only figure in the regiment with a fatigue blouse.

But bear in mind, my regiment is simply representing a very wide cross-section of what a "typical" western federal regiment may have looked like based on what we know about what was issued and what soldiers did with the clothing they got.

I had this Troiani painting in mind when making up the regiment:

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johannes5518 Jun 2024 11:54 p.m. PST

These look nice!

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2024 12:57 a.m. PST

Very nice indeed!

huron725 Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2024 5:29 a.m. PST

Those there are great looking.

Personal logo KimRYoung Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2024 7:19 a.m. PST

Great painting

You left out the most important part of the regiment though that I hope you include. The regiment is the 8th Wisconsin and you need to include "Old Abe", the eagle that is being carried in the picture:

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Years ago I did this regiment in 15mm and had to hand sculpt the eagle for the command stand. Hopefully you can find one in 28mm you can adapt.

Great work so far

Kim

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2024 7:59 a.m. PST

Very nice work even if they are Yankees.

TimePortal19 Jun 2024 8:13 a.m. PST

Great use of miniatures. Very innovative.

Perris070719 Jun 2024 8:24 a.m. PST

One of the high schools in my town has Old Abe as their school team's mascot. Nice job on those Wisconsin boys.

Baranovich19 Jun 2024 11:39 a.m. PST

@KimRYoung,

Reading your story about sculpting your own Old Abe is very impressive! I do fear however that I would lack the sculpting skills to create a convincing eagle in 28mm scale.

However, your idea sparked a thought as soon as I read it!

I own a copy of the old GW game "The Battle of Five armies." It's 10mm scale. Came out way back in 2005.

Included in the set are a unit of great eagles. Just so happens that giant eagles in 10mm are pretty darn close to being the perfect size for a normal eagle in 28mm!

Also, there are a number of Etsy vendors who 3D print elf armies in 10mm. They have units of eagles for sale which are also very close to what you'd need for a 28mm historical eagle!

All I'd need to do is clip the eagle off the fantasy stand and glue him to a perch which could be made from a flag bearer with the pole shortened.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2024 1:10 p.m. PST

Great painting.

Personal logo KimRYoung Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2024 2:58 p.m. PST

Baranovich,

Those eagles look awesome should work for Old Abe.

I have a lot of generic western regiments, but having that 8th Wisconsin has always been source of pride and pleasure. You'll feel the same when you finish yours!

Kim

Baranovich19 Jun 2024 3:14 p.m. PST

So I dug out one of the eagles from The Battle of Five Armies box. My instincts were pretty good, the scale of the great eagles in 10mm seems just about right for a 28mm eagle.

It looks pretty good, but the only problem is that the eagles in that set are all in a flying/soaring position so they don't have their legs and talons extended. So it's a little wonky that its belly is resting directly on the perch.

I might still opt for the 3D printed ones since one of them has its talons outstretched which is a better position. Or I'll remove the eagle I have and add a bit so that it looks more like he's actually standing on the perch.

Baranovich19 Jun 2024 4:08 p.m. PST

Ah, so this is much better! I removed the eagle and added a rectangular bit to represent the eagle's legs. Now it looks normal, like he's grasping on to the perch!

Michael May19 Jun 2024 7:25 p.m. PST

Good lookin' bunch of hard marchin' Yanks!

smithsco19 Jun 2024 10:01 p.m. PST

There is a small memorial in my home town where Company G of the 8th embarked to travel down river to head to Madison.

My wife is descended from the band of Ojibwe that originally captured Old Abe and sold him. The family legend is that their ancestor was the other person present with Chief Big Sky. They have no proof and I doubt it's true personally but it does show how much of a symbol Old Abe is still

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2024 12:21 p.m. PST

Nice work! Great grandpa was in the 4th Minnesota – another Western regiment; love the addition of Old Abe and also love Smithsco's story

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