"Why tournaments are a kind of hell..." Topic

This is just bizarre (IMHO)

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Surely all this needs is a marker which can be flipped to be "flying"or "Ground Adjacent"

I find the idea of a ground based unit wanting to charge a flying aircraft just a little bit of an…odd…thing to request in the first place….

(I realize I am completely wrong )

Well, to each their own. Some people want tournament play where winning on technicalities is still a win. They want this kind of play, and while I am tempted to disparage it with terms like "fussy" or "rules lawyering" I will refrain. If this is your cup of tea, good for you. I am too old to waste any energy raining on someone else's parade.

On the other hand, for my money, this is an A+ example of how not to play a game. When I write rules I try to write way around this. At the table I would just say, Hey, it's a giant mech, it can reach up and smack that thing; the pilot is trying to get low enough for a good shot without getting smacked by the giant figure, so maybe it happens and maybe it doesn't. If I'm doing well in the game I might just let my opponent have his way. Or I might, as so many rules suggest, roll a die to see if the charge can happen. Or let it happen with a penalty. It would make a great story after the game in any case.

The rules should support fun, not get in the way of fun.

Lifetime ban? Apparently there is some context not fully described and someone has made themselves unpopular.

Is it really any wonder that so many people in and out of miniatures gaming roll their eyes at the mere mention of Warhammer. I'm not sure if Sigmar has elicited a similar reaction, but I think Frost/Star/Grave does not.

Warhammer, there is nothing quite as endearing as selling a kidney to afford the figures to flesh out (pun intended) an army, cuz we all know non-Warhammer figures are anathema, then table them only to find you can catch a rules lawyer as easily there as at a 15mm TSTAF game, knowing full well your entire investment will be as valuable, and useful, as earwax as soon as the next Codex comes out.

"I find the idea of a ground based unit wanting to charge a flying aircraft just a little bit of an…odd…thing to request in the first place…. "

If the infantry are equipped with jet/jump packs, I'd allow it… ;-)

(though they'd be removed from play afterward, having used up all their fuel… ;-)

That seems fair – as long as the plane isn't flying too high.

The argument put forward in the video seemed to imply any ground unit….the whole decision to be made being based on where to measure from. I don't see how a Rhino charges even a low flying aircraft.

The measuring to parts of a model is always tricky – take a Titan link it has "knees" so it can bend/squat. If I choose to model it in a stooping position am I cheating? If I choose to model it with an arm above its head brandishing a weapon am I cheating? Both will affect LOS and measuring distances – my guy with a big gun way above his head will be great for anti-aircraft use! The squatting guy can hide behind large terrain.

In this case I prefer base to base measurement. Then a non-standard base is clearly cheating.