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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian05 Jun 2024 10:28 p.m. PST

For the 80th anniversary of the landings, AFP photojournalist Olivier Morin spent three weeks documenting the remnants of the supposedly impregnable defences designed to keep the allies at bay

The Guardian: link

14Bore06 Jun 2024 1:11 a.m. PST

Just too many miles to cover, even on the landing beaches it was uneven enough they failed. D-Day has become my favorite WWII battle these last few years. My FiL was in the 149th Combat Engineer Battalion HQ company

Fitzovich Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2024 2:18 a.m. PST

And it failed in much less than 24 hours.

42flanker06 Jun 2024 2:51 a.m. PST

"Der längste tag…Der längste tag"

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2024 3:31 a.m. PST

No, the Germans didn't win, thank Heaven. But would they have been better off without prepared defenses?

Bezmozgu7 Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2024 4:08 a.m. PST

Mostly forgotten on the D-Day anniversary is the sacrifice of Canadian lives at Dieppe two years earlier which helped pave the way for the 6 June 1944 success. Dieppe taught the Allies a lot about how to and how not to assault a fortified coast. It also convinced Hitler that his Atlantic Wall was impregnable, which contributed in part to the handcuffing of a more rapid German response to the initial landings.

OSCS7406 Jun 2024 4:28 a.m. PST

Robert Piepenbrink +1, also the resources spent trying to neutralize them.

Personal logo Jlundberg Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2024 7:21 a.m. PST

The prepared fortifications delayed the landing and increased the allied planning – resulting in a greater chance of success

42flanker06 Jun 2024 8:10 a.m. PST

THe Dieppe raid may not have been a focus of today's 80th anniversary commemorations- which is hardly surprising.

That is not an indication that it has been forgotten, any more than St Nazaire or Bruneval.

I thought the issue at Dieppe was not fortifications per se but the objective of capturing a port intact by direct assault.

rmaker06 Jun 2024 9:59 a.m. PST

Don't forget the fact that the Atlantic Wall wasn't finished, in part due to the diversion of workers and material to fix the Mohne and Eder dams.

Bill N06 Jun 2024 10:03 a.m. PST

Did the Germans believe it was possible to build a system of fortifications capable on their own of actually keeping the Allies out? I thought the idea was 1) to prevent the Allies from achieving a secure lodgment by launching a quick cross Channel (or cross North Sea) dash; and 2) to hold up a larger assault long enough for the Luftwaffe and local reserves to come up.

JMcCarroll06 Jun 2024 3:13 p.m. PST

"2) to hold up a larger assault long enough for the Luftwaffe and local reserves to come up."

How true, both Me-109's were the deciding factor!

Yes Hitler did his part to make D-Day a success.

Korvessa Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2024 3:17 p.m. PST

And now t is a cafe

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14Bore08 Jun 2024 7:59 a.m. PST

As posted on the What if D-Day Failed thread
I am starting to realize failure was a slimmer possibly than taken foe granted. Maybe later if the Germans could build the coastal defense better, but it was to sparse in June 44 and they got overwhelmed. Consider the Allies hit 5 beaches and only Omaha was a give or take for a few hours.

David Manley08 Jun 2024 2:32 p.m. PST

If you can get onto the MOD testing range at Shoeburyness you can see copies if German bunkers that were built prior to D Day to test the various weapons used by the Allies against them

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