deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 29 May 2024 7:53 a.m. PST |
Or so I am told by Ged. Must admit, never heard of them, but they come mounted and on foot in an addition to the Gringos40 range of American Indian Wars. To judge by his weapon he is many a century back. Painted by Andy Singleton
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 29 May 2024 8:44 a.m. PST |
thanks for posting Liam He is a dismounted Colonial Spanish Cuera trooper with an officers shield..troopers generally sported plain bull-hide ones.period early 18th Century..in conflict with the battke hardened Early Apaches..in a land named Apacheria! regards Ged gringo40s.com |
Grattan54 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 29 May 2024 10:56 a.m. PST |
I am waiting until this line is complete and then I am definitely getting these figures. I think this will be an excellent period to game. Just need to figure out what rules to use. |
Shagnasty ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 29 May 2024 11:16 a.m. PST |
Nice work! These were the guys who turned into he troopers in "Zorro," the Presidiales. |
Herkybird ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 29 May 2024 11:16 a.m. PST |
Interestingly, most Indian (native American) tribal names mean 'The People' in their native languages. The exception were the Apaches – whos name was from Spanish/Mexican 'Zuñi Apachu', meaning 'Enemy' The Apache called themselves Inde or Diné, meaning 'The People' like in other tribes. They had clans called Mescalero, Jicarilla, Chiricahua, Lipan, Kiowa Apache, Cibecue, Mimbreño, Coyotero, and Northern and Southern Tonto or Mogollon Apache. |
KSmyth | 29 May 2024 12:54 p.m. PST |
Great figures Ged. Later this summer I'll order Cuera and Apaches. The Cuera were modeled by London War Room. They were true 25's and serviceable, with both mounted and dismounted figures. These figures got the Gringo 40's treatment. I'm anxious to see where the range goes. Kevin |
jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 29 May 2024 2:29 p.m. PST |
Grattan54..Shagnasty..Herkybird and Kevin ..thanks for all your support and kind comments Gentlemen.i have to admit the start of the range has been totally absorbing and the deeper i go the more it fascinates. The Apaches were something else,with such a rich history and still here in the 1930s with the Tonto band..untouchable..without Mickey free or other Apaches to hunt them down! Grattan54 im looking at rules to do..Shagnasty i agree the uniforms are tremendous//uber cool! Herkeybird..the Dine is such an all encompassing word..almost spiritual…kevin im sure you will be a happy man. more updates soon chaps..kind regards Ged gringo40s.com |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 29 May 2024 3:34 p.m. PST |
Great figure and work… Congrats…! Armqnd
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 29 May 2024 5:32 p.m. PST |
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deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 30 May 2024 6:29 a.m. PST |
Well I have learnt much here.
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 30 May 2024 6:41 a.m. PST |
thank you for posting Liam its a really fascinating period the Apache/Comanche roadblock stopped the advance of Spain for many a year…….. regards Ged gringo40s.com NB figure is the rear view of the Spanish Cuera trooper….. |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 30 May 2024 3:41 p.m. PST |
Siempre un verdadero placer ver el eximio arte que nos ofreces… un abrazo fraterno y nada menos que admiracion de mi parte…. Armand
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 31 May 2024 2:39 a.m. PST |
Hi Armand…any chance of a translation my friend as my Spanish is not up to your standard !! Un agradecimiento muy grande Saludetes Ged gringo40s.com |
Herkybird ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 31 May 2024 3:38 a.m. PST |
@Jammy four: Google translate says: 'always a true pleasure to see the excellent art you offer us…a brotherly hug and nothing else than admiration on my part' |
jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 31 May 2024 4:32 a.m. PST |
Herkybird many thanks for doing that all "good to know stuff!!" regards Ged gringo40s.com |
deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 31 May 2024 9:32 a.m. PST |
All I know is Hasta La Victoria Siempre, but I am learning about the Cueras. Patria O Muerte, Venceremos
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 31 May 2024 10:22 a.m. PST |
thanks for posting Liam…or should i say Muchas gracias por su interés Liam.!! 28mm Gringo40s Spanish mounted Cuera trooper sporting a not often used red coat, normal colour mid blue and cheaper cloth,Supplies to the presdidio forts were uncertain so a lot of variation exsisted until the regulations of 1772 in New Spain..ie Apacheria figure from Gringo40s latest release in the New Apache and Comanche Wars 1700-1900 range. availabe now from gringo40s.com regards Ged gringo40s.com |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 31 May 2024 3:43 p.m. PST |
Good translation by Jammy… A little contribution to the thread…
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History of the creation of the Cuera Dragon Corps. Its organization, structure and uniform
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The Garrisons of the Prisons of New Spain PDF link Cuera Dragons. The Spanish Wild West link
PRISONS AND LEATHER DRAGONS
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The Cuera dragons against the Apaches. The Battle for San Agustín de Tucson
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Armand
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 01 Jun 2024 7:46 a.m. PST |
Armand many thanks for the excellent references…some top notch ones there best regards Saludetes Ged gringo40s.com |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 01 Jun 2024 3:35 p.m. PST |
A votre service mon cher ami… Snorri… link
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deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 03 Jun 2024 5:25 a.m. PST |
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 03 Jun 2024 5:41 a.m. PST |
thanks for posting Liam..another example of a Cuera Trooper 28mm Gringo40s Spanish mounted Cuera trooper sporting the , normal colour mid blue and cheaper cloth,Supplies to the presdidio forts were uncertain so a lot of variation exsisted until the regulations of 1772 in New Spain..ie Apacheria figure from Gringo40s latest release in the New Apache and Comanche Wars 1700-1900 range. top paintwork from Andy Singleton… availabe now from gringo40s.com |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 04 Jun 2024 3:16 p.m. PST |
You know that "Presidio" is jail no?… so mostly of those guys were in origin criminals… a long way before the idea to use them in first line as Putin did on our days… Armand |
deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 05 Jun 2024 1:21 a.m. PST |
A nice collection of the early Apaches, if a bit small to see well;
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 05 Jun 2024 1:26 a.m. PST |
Hi Armand…many thanks for your input. i know the ordinary Cuera soldiers were not paid a great deal.and their is evidence that some NCOs took part of their wages.im sure there were some unsavoury individuals…but desertion was not really an option!These frontier soldiers were recruited from among the Mestizo population and Hispanicized Native Americans. Most of the officers were Criollos and Mestizo, whereas very few of the enlisted men had this distinction. The soldados de cuera manned the presidios that stretched from Los Adaes, Louisiana, in the East, across Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, to the Pacific Coast of Alta California in the West.[6] There was no lack of volunteers for the service. Recruitment took place mainly among the local population, accustomed to the local climate, who were expert horsemen, and expert trackers who knew the country. For the poor general population the service as a soldados de cuera was attractive, with many perks; besides a regular pay, also medical care, the possibility land grants and promotions.[5] |
jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 05 Jun 2024 1:29 a.m. PST |
Liam many thanks for posting the Apache vignette of my figures! regards Ged gringo40s.com |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 05 Jun 2024 3:43 p.m. PST |
Great Apache vignette… congrats!… There is documentation from that time where it is established that the judges, in order not to have to pay for the stay of prisoners, sent them to serve as Soldados de Cuera… clearly… a) for this the "volunteer" had to sign that they were doing it for their own decision… b) of course the Judge charged a good bribe (commission) for each of them… Armand
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 06 Jun 2024 3:30 a.m. PST |
Armand….glad you like the vignette very interesting about the use of prisoners ..not normally mentioned in the usual histories but no suprise really…the Cuera Troopers even once they were stationed in the Prisidios had to "Give" part of their wages to the NCOS…im not sure how widespread this was..but it exsisted. still they had splendid uniforms to wear!! regards Ged gringo40s.com |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 06 Jun 2024 3:36 p.m. PST |
(smile) Bribe… another great contribution to America from Europe… Armand
Armand
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 07 Jun 2024 1:45 a.m. PST |
Armand………….. its was everywhere my friend!! regards Ged gringo40s.com |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 07 Jun 2024 3:55 p.m. PST |
But there are some countries who made a way of life of it… (smile)… I could tell you… Armand
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 08 Jun 2024 12:58 a.m. PST |
Armand No podría estar más de acuerdo Amigo!! Saludetes Ged gringo40s.com |
deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 08 Jun 2024 6:40 a.m. PST |
and now an enthusiastic occifer of the Cueras;
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 08 Jun 2024 1:33 p.m. PST |
thanks for posting Liam! in the pipeline……….28mm Dismounted Cuera officer inspiring his troopers…another taster of whats to come!!Spanish 28mm Colonial troops in Apacheria! top paintwork from Andy Singleton. figure available from gringo40s.com. regards Ged gringo40s.com |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 08 Jun 2024 4:01 p.m. PST |
That's is really great!… Congrats again my friend…
Armand
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 09 Jun 2024 2:18 a.m. PST |
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Old Contemptible ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 09 Jun 2024 3:17 p.m. PST |
Outstanding! Great figures and excellent brushwork. |
jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 09 Jun 2024 5:13 p.m. PST |
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deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 13 Jun 2024 8:09 a.m. PST |
This chap is loading his firearm, something never needed in Hollywood;
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 13 Jun 2024 9:40 a.m. PST |
thanks for posting Liam ! indeed the Cuera Trooper is in the process of loading his Escopata Musket. regards Ged gringo40s.com |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 14 Jun 2024 3:42 p.m. PST |
Escopeta…. not Escopata… (smile) Armand
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 15 Jun 2024 1:02 a.m. PST |
Armand Escopeta was a light, inexpensive, .69 caliber weapon used by Spanish cavalry and militia in colonial Texas. It was popular until the mid-nineteenth century, …seems your right my friend! ..in Spanish..Arma de fuego portátil, con uno o dos cañones, que dispara cartuchos o perdigones y suele utilizarse para cazar. regards Ged gringo40s.com |
deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 15 Jun 2024 6:45 a.m. PST |
and here is the real thing
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 19 Jun 2024 1:23 a.m. PST |
thank you for posting Liam more pictures and infornmation to follow regards Ged gringo40s.com |
deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 19 Jun 2024 5:25 a.m. PST |
Ged of Gringos 40 asked me to post this image with some text, so here it is; just a note on Cuera pistols oddly enough there was always a shortage of these weapons.. possibly due the amount of workmanship involved in the Miquelet locks..in Apacheria the majority were not in good condition.. atmosphere..low pay..and inertia all contributed to poorly maintained weapons..not all though. attached a picture of a brace of pistold from the Spanish Colonial period used in Apacheria…" Caribbean Miquelet about 1770-1800 manufacture date . regards Ged
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deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 21 Jun 2024 6:55 a.m. PST |
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jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 22 Jun 2024 6:42 a.m. PST |
thanks for posting Liam ! indeed the Cuera Trooper is in the process of loading his Escopata Musket.Rear View gives a good idea of the uniform in reverse. regards Ged gringo40s.com |
Tango01 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 23 Jun 2024 5:05 p.m. PST |
Thanks my good friend… "Escopeta" is usually used for hunting birds or rabbits… but it also work against an oponent but no more to a low distance to you… Armand |
jammy four ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 24 Jun 2024 2:38 a.m. PST |
cheers Armand your help is always appreciated! regards Ged gringo40s.com |
deadhead ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 25 Jun 2024 6:41 a.m. PST |
Now this chap looks like he means business, but I hope the other guy does not have a bow and arrows;
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