Editor in Chief Bill ![Workbencher Fezian](boards/icons/workbencher.gif) | 29 May 2024 5:43 a.m. PST |
…the pier will be completely removed from its location in Gaza in the next 48 hours to be towed back to the Israeli port of Ashdod for repairs… Military: link |
Murphy ![Sponsoring Member of TMP Sponsoring Member of TMP](boards/icons/sponsor.gif) | 29 May 2024 7:40 a.m. PST |
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Legion 4 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 29 May 2024 7:54 a.m. PST |
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Shark Six Three Zero | 29 May 2024 8:10 a.m. PST |
I'm sure they will find someone to hold accountable….like an E4 or E5. |
Legion 4 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 29 May 2024 8:15 a.m. PST |
Yes that may be what happens. Someone has to be on the blame line for this well publicized muck up. |
Legion 4 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 29 May 2024 8:48 a.m. PST |
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Dagwood | 29 May 2024 10:03 a.m. PST |
Didn't the same thing happen in WW2 ? Blame the weather! |
Editor in Chief Bill ![Workbencher Fezian](boards/icons/workbencher.gif) | 29 May 2024 12:21 p.m. PST |
…The images show that less than a third of the pier remains intact, and there is no sign of the remnants of the deeper sections of the structure… Fox News: link |
Andy Maloney | 29 May 2024 12:24 p.m. PST |
Hope this isn't an indication of how our military will perform if the poop really hits the fan. |
OSCS74 | 29 May 2024 12:28 p.m. PST |
They should write it off as a total loss. Saving US taxpayers millions. |
McKinstry ![Workbencher Fezian](boards/icons/workbencher.gif) | 29 May 2024 1:18 p.m. PST |
It is entirely possible actions such as this may be needed in the Pacific. It is a regrettable performance and someone should be held responsible if it isn't an unavoidable weather related issue such as Normandy 1944 but more importantly, the entire engineering entities responsible need to learn now, not under near peer fire. As to holding anyone responsible, even an E-4 or 5, I doubt it. An AH-64 unit deploying to Afghanistan flies its aircraft to Corpus where they are shipped over to meet the pilots in Kuwait. One takes off but the tail wheel stays behind due to a missing pin. No huge problem but it is a delay and represents really sloppy maintenance. Nobody gets disciplined and one AH-64 with two pilots is a heck of a lot more expensive than the pier. |
Legion 4 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 29 May 2024 7:23 p.m. PST |
Hope this isn't an indication of how our military will perform if the poop really hits the fan. I don't think so even though it appears at times they may not be as Combat Ready as one may think. |
Herkybird ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 30 May 2024 1:29 a.m. PST |
Didn't the same thing happen in WW2 ? Blame the weather! Yes, on 19th-20th June at Normandy 1944, The British Mulberry (B) at Arromanches was damaged, the American (A) at Saint-Laurent-sur-Mer was destroyed. Parts from the American pier were used to expedite repairs on (B). |
Shark Six Three Zero | 30 May 2024 11:55 a.m. PST |
That pier is a symptom of the problem. Poor leadership, corruption, and an overfunded military industrial complex with a lack of training to execute. |
SBminisguy | 30 May 2024 1:32 p.m. PST |
Poor leadership, corruption, and an overfunded military industrial complex with a lack of training to execute. Gives me a kinda scary France 1940 vibe… |
Tortorella ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 30 May 2024 1:55 p.m. PST |
. I don't know if the concept is practical or not. Weather happens. The Mulberries are a good example. Somebody here want to hold Ike accountable? FDR maybe? I think the American Mulberry had been improperly anchored… wasn't this a joint Allied design? |
Tortorella ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 30 May 2024 2:23 p.m. PST |
The USN commander of "A" in 1944 became Chief of Staff to the admiral in charge of French coast ports and shipping after the invasion. "A" was not securely anchored to the seabed and could not handle the Channel storm. The damage was too great for repairs. Per Wikipedia. |
Legion 4 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 31 May 2024 7:54 a.m. PST |
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Herkybird ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 05 Jun 2024 10:17 a.m. PST |
I think the American Mulberry had been improperly anchored… wasn't this a joint Allied design Actually, like Hobart's 'Funnies' it was a British invention. My (sadly deceased) Dad said, at the time, the failure was due to the Americans taking shortcuts putting it together, but I think in truth the weather conditions are sufficient cause. Even the Arromanches pier barely survived. The DD tank is another matter, originally designed by a Hungarian, Nicholas Strasussler, it was originally built and modified by British engineers. The failure of the American DD tanks was due to being put into the water too early, and the crews trying too hard to land in their designated landing zone, this maneuver put many of them beam on to the heavy swell, which tragically swamped many of the tanks. These sad things happen in war, and I salute the bravery of all the participants in D-Day / Operation Neptune. |
Legion 4 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 10 Jun 2024 8:07 a.m. PST |
The US Pier is back in operation … link |
35thOVI ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 10 Jun 2024 8:51 a.m. PST |
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Legion 4 ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 10 Jun 2024 7:31 p.m. PST |
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