@14Boron
Certainly, before the revolution, but it was not a change of government that happened in 1789, but a change of regime.
It is the French extreme left which is currently very virulent today which believes that France was born in 1789…
But they do not say what it was before..?
@robert piepenbrink
Yes, the Franks were swallowed up by the Gallo-Romans who gradually managed to regain power "at home"…
@Dagwood
1453?
It's an idea like any other but this date was never mentioned.
@Herkybird
In 507 AD – The Battle of Vouillé about 8 or 9 years after the baptism of Clovis and yes most countries have a confusing founding date, for example I still don't know when the word "French" appeared?!
So you are in favor of the first proposition?
Historiography, based on the History of the Franks by Gregory of Tours, has long fixed this date at Christmas 496, after the battle of Tolbiac but it would rather be located in 498 or 499 according to the majority of historians, even if some lean towards a later conversion, in 505 or even 508…
But we must put into perspective the importance of the baptism of Clovis in the eyes of contemporaries.
First, the populations of Gaul were already mainly converted to Christianity by the middle of the 4th century (all the Gallic senators in Rome were Christians in 400).
Then, baptisms were done in the time of Clovis at Easter and not at Christmas.
Finally, declaring oneself a Christian by a profession of faith or before a court was sufficient to be so, baptism only becoming a rite consecrated by the Church in the middle of the sixth century.
You should also know that the baptismal font, a pipe of which was found in Reims, only allowed the simultaneous entry of three peoples.
The baptism of 3,000 Frankish warriors, concomitant with that of their king, is therefore legendary.
@CAPTAIN BEEFHEART
Of course this is an evolution and not a date.
As I wrote above, I still don't know when the word "Français"appeared?!
Maybe this is the best time?
@TimePortal
It's an idea like any other butthe reign of Louis XIV was never mentioned.
Louis XIV is an option for the birth of a modern state but I have never heard from anyone that France was born under his reign…