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The H Man21 May 2024 6:11 p.m. PST

Apparently this new "doctor" has the lowest ratings of all the modern tat doctors first episodes.

Just under 4 million, as opposed to around 10 for all 5 earlier ones.

Of course, it usually drops from there.

However, in their corner is the fact the only people watching were probably their funny flag die hards, so the drop may not be as big this time around.

I'm guessing about 2-3 would be about where it lands.

The BBC may come to their senses, too late, and try to clean it up, but that would only result in losing those few viewers watching.

Houston, we have a problem.

Well the BBC does.

I say, can it for at LEAST 3 years, then pick up from the movie, ignore the rot and move forward.

Idea! Put a conservative person behind the he reigns of a family show!!

Wow! It's like I'm Einstein!

PS not sure on classic who first EPs, any one have numbers?

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian21 May 2024 6:45 p.m. PST

Dr. Who seems to no longer be available on BBC America channel on my service. frown

Goober21 May 2024 7:12 p.m. PST

Blah blah blah. Same story every time there is a new Doctor. Doom! Gloom! Woke agenda! The show evolves and represents the society of the time. Its a more caring, aware and accepting society now.

That said, I'm not convinced by the new Doctor. He seems a bit of a scaredy-cat in his first outing, and I could do without their being a song in every episode. But, I'll give the show the benefit of the doubt.

The viewing figures are also lower because of on demand TV. People don't tend to watch live broadcasts as much as they used to, even a few years ago, but usually recordings or catchup.

TimePortal21 May 2024 7:35 p.m. PST

In my opinion number ratings from earlier shows cannot be a valid total audience due to a vast increase in viewers which can be counted now.

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP21 May 2024 7:54 p.m. PST

A children's show run by groomers, what could go wrong.

fredavner Supporting Member of TMP21 May 2024 8:38 p.m. PST

The Doc is now on Disney

The H Man22 May 2024 2:03 a.m. PST

"A children's show run by groomers, what could go wrong"

"The Doc is now on Disney"

That got worse quick!

Well, if it were pre 2000s Disney.

"vast increase in viewers which can be counted now."

What vast increase??

Even modern tat fans are jumping for shore.

But I'd set up my bamboo hut with Milky Joe and the crew years ago.

"Same story every time there is a new Doctor."

Sorry? Your comparing this sad state of affairs to the classic run??

"Doom! Gloom! Woke agenda!"

Yes, it is.

"The show evolves and represents the society of the time."

I cringe to think of the society some people must live in. Sounds completely alien to me, so I guess that's fitting, in some sad, sick, barbaric way.

"Its a more caring, aware and accepting society now."

Caring of fans, aware of their desire not to have themselves or their children subject to such things, and accepting of such desire?

Or just ramming filth down people's throats who are stupid enough to watch in the first place?

Yes, that was me name of the documentary, fitting, isn't it?

The tide is turning, all going well kids will lose access to a heck of a lot of online brain washing, at least in Oz.

Losing classic fans with the modern tat didn't phase the production, but now losing the modern tat fans is hurting.

I am expecting the next doctor, if this madness continues, to be a dog.

The BBC can own that one and not pay royalties for K9.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP22 May 2024 3:29 a.m. PST

Your basic "facts" on ratings are not as clear cut as you make out. 10million was a peak – more typical was ~7 million.

And that was when there were only 3 TV channels in the UK.

And the current ratings don't properly capture streaming, and can't capture catch-up viewings weeks down stream.

I do get that you hate Dr Who. All the misogynistic and homophobic comments don't really help your complaints.

For what it is worth I have already said in another thread that Space Babies was a truly terrible episode – but maybe Dr Who just isn't a show for grownups, and it is returning to its origins and being aimed at children.

The H Man22 May 2024 4:11 a.m. PST

People who follow the shows ratings seem to think it's an abysmal start.

Yes, time will clarify things nicely, I'm sure.

"I do get that you hate Dr Who"

I'm not sure where from, as I am very much a Dr Who fan, hence my dissatisfaction with its current direction.

They continue to strip away anything that resembles Dr Who. Eventually they will nodoubt change the name too.


I very much do indeed like women.


As a homosapien I find that remark highly offensive.

"don't really help your complaints"

Because personal attacks do?

I'm not sure how what I say could not help my stance. Especially as I'm am but a drop in the ocean.

"returning to its origins and being aimed at children."

Only in the darkest pit of hell, from what I'm seeing.

Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt.

Prince Rupert of the Rhine22 May 2024 5:11 a.m. PST

Meh doctor who has always been crap as a British child I thought it was crap and as an adult I still think it's crap. If you want sci-fi shows done right leave it to Americans I say. I'd rather watch Firefly, Babylon 5, Buck Rodgers or either version of Battlestar Galactica over Doctor who any day of the year

The H Man22 May 2024 5:35 a.m. PST

The shows you mention, along with Trek, Gate and so many others, are usually single episode stories with 20odd episode seasons.

They also have around 10 characters and a multi room ship or base that viewers know all about going into each episode.

Dr Who is the opposite, at least good Dr Who.

There are good stories in the vein of those mentioned.

And epics like Dalek invasion of earth. More like a miniseries.

V, there we go, like V. Invading aliens, resistance.

GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP22 May 2024 6:12 a.m. PST

It is a TV programme not some sort of 'cultural icon'.

If you like it, watch it; if you don't like it, don't watch it.

No point in spouting in such frantic terms, just turn it off and watch old episodes.

forrester22 May 2024 6:19 a.m. PST

I am wary of ratings. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
We have more than 3 TV channels here now, and therefore no captive audience. Back in the day the telly would go on and you'd just roll on through Juke Box Jury, Doctor Who, and Dixon of Dock Green [and in the 70's, Basil Brush]. No rivals on Netflix or Amazon.
I suspect with ratings, a show doesn't have to beat everyone else [though its a prestige thing if that happens[, it just has to be enough for commercial viability.

I watched "The Dalek Invasion of Earth" and at the time, I was only little, missed the fact that it was set 200 years ahead, mainly because it looked entirely contemporary and for a long time wondered why in future stories a]no one recalled this catastrophic event and b] why the exiled 3rd Doctor never popped round to visit Susan. I sorted it out in the end.
Some of the old stories were really too long, but "The Dalek Master Plan" certainly felt like an epic-sad that we can now only see bits of it.

So Ive been watching this from the start and continue to do so, apparently Im a funny flag diehard..? Whatever one of those is.

And if you ARE such, then you'll have seen Episode 3 was much darker. The tone does vary. Definitely no song. If you are a new viewer this variation could be quite confusing as to what you're getting into. I cant see "Space Babies" as something to compel a new Disney audience?

I dread to think what sort of "conservative" anyone thinks should be put in as a future showrunner.Trouble is, I can think of some.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP22 May 2024 6:23 a.m. PST

" The Doc is now on Disney"
🤣😂 No more need be said.

Personal logo Flashman14 Supporting Member of TMP22 May 2024 11:39 a.m. PST

Whatever you think of it, ratings are the currency of the realm. Low ratings that balloon over time can come from a new vehicle, but for an established property like Doctor Who, viewers are sending a clear signal to the creators.

Personal logo Mister Tibbles Supporting Member of TMP22 May 2024 1:03 p.m. PST

To be precise, it's on Disney+, which is the streaming service.

JMcCarroll22 May 2024 1:20 p.m. PST

Is it too late to get Tom Baker back?

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian22 May 2024 1:54 p.m. PST

Is it too late to get Tom Baker back?

AI could do it. grin

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP22 May 2024 2:56 p.m. PST

You could Look on the bright side. At least they didn't follow Bud Light's lead and cast Dylan Mulvaney as Dr Who. 😉 🍻

The H Man22 May 2024 6:11 p.m. PST

You broke my funny bone.

"funny flag diehard..? Whatever one of those is."


"Day 328,500 of being a time lord!!!"

See, parents could shrug that off.

Until the kid wants them to pay for a mighty nose enlargement.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian22 May 2024 10:26 p.m. PST

At least they didn't follow Bud Light's lead and cast Dylan Mulvaney as Dr Who.

Don't give them ideas. wink

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2024 2:26 a.m. PST

Is it too late to get Tom Baker back?

He still pops up from time to time alongside Modern Doctors. Just brief cameos.

forrester23 May 2024 5:31 a.m. PST

Is it too late to get Tom Baker back?
He still pops up from time to time alongside Modern Doctors. Just brief cameos.

Just once I think, during the 50th Anniversary episode. I think he's done Big Finish audios but I dont know how recently.
He's not been one for return visits. For the publicity photos for The Five Doctors they had to borrow a waxwork from Madame Tussauds.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2024 6:09 a.m. PST

The original Doctors are all on Tubi. I watch those. We're now in the second season of the 4th Doctor (Baker). His version of the character is clearly the best. The quality of the writing is hit or miss. It has yet to challenge my thinking about anything the way the original Star Trek did. The only thing it does do is mock the foolishly certain and bureaucrats.

The science, by the way, is worse than one would expect for a show purportedly begun to highlight science, even for its eras.

Lots of redoes of the same story. The latest was so obviously a redo of The Thing from Another World as to be all but blatant. Liked the insane tree-hugger, though.

Stopped watching the new Doctors after Matt Smith. The quality of the writing was plummeting, and when the new guy stuck his head out the Tardis door, I knew he wasn't going to be able to change things for the better. From everything I read, I was right.

jedburgh23 May 2024 6:34 a.m. PST

Totally agreee with Prince Rupert. Never watched this show as a kid – prefer the Gerry Anderson shows the acting was better.

forrester23 May 2024 8:39 a.m. PST

Ive noticed that for a number of people Matt Smith was the cutoff point. The show continued to be run by the same person, so its not down to a change in showrunner.

I think some Capaldi stories, and performances, were excellent but it did feel more uneven, though every era has had its share of turkeys.

After that, not my favourite era, but as ever some decent stuff.

Well its all down to opinions, I dont know why I get sucked into Doctor Who topics! Ive avoided Doctor Who forums for a number of years..

The H Man23 May 2024 7:25 p.m. PST

But it's fun, innit.

Matt Smith, hmm…, Yes, yes, Matt Smith…hmm, what's that my boy?

I feel the modern tat ends at the end of Matt Smith, with the ultra modern tat beginning with Capaldi, as far a measurement via doctors.

This does seem to line up with current opinion.

Matt Smith was the youngest doctor (if I remember correctly) and Capaldi among the oldest. So you have a sudden change there that probably shocked some viewers.

It was probably that initial shock that resolved other who made it through for the future shocks to come.

Capaldi was also the first doctor to have a, constant, companion of a certain persuasion.

I was literally grinding my teeth, so stopped watch for fear of damaging them. True story. But it was time to shoot the poor horse any way, so it was for the best.

I also feel the over the top stupidity reached a peak with Capaldi. The stupid guitar stuff, for example. It was like it was a show for idiots.

I know the second doctor had a recorder, but that just worked, somehow. I think it wasn't just in your face like a lot of the recent stuff.

Also, of course, modern tat fans had moved on to Game of Thrones or what have you. Most were kids, so many just grew out of it or moved on for various reasons.


Yes, and older Capaldi would definitely had been a shock for viewers not familiar with the classic show. Then the next two "doctors" were also large departures from the modern tat of younger white men. That theme really marks out the ultra modern tat, along with making sure everyone to do with it has a funny flag to wave as hard as they can. Oh, and let's not forget lower ratings and fan numbers.

joedog02 Jun 2024 5:10 p.m. PST

There were a couple of major setbacks with the "new who" – Donna Noble was a terrible companion – and required huge internal inconsistencies in the show. Matt Smith was okay – but had two problems: First, way too much obvious and annoying "fan service" (let's have bow ties and a fez, so fans at conventions know what to wear!), but more importantly, the fact that he couldn't carry the show, and so the Ponds and the "impossible girl" had to stick around much longer than they should have. This led to Capaldi – who could easily have carried the show – being a secondary character in the show for his entire first season, and then not getting enough good scripts to really do a good job. And when she left – it was the perfect set up for a spin off show with a female lead – but the BBC let that get away from them.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2024 5:27 a.m. PST

Capaldi was also the first doctor to have a, constant, companion of a certain persuasion.

Clara ? A woman?

Danny ? A Man?

Nardole ? An Alien?

All been done before.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2024 5:29 a.m. PST

@joedog – agreed on Donna, one of my least favourite companions ever. I wonder if we're in a minority though as she keeps popping up…

The H Man06 Jun 2024 3:50 p.m. PST

Your not.

Love her sketch show though.

But as to Donna/modern tat in general, I ain't bothered!

I may suspect she has some allegiances that work in her favour.

Looks like you have to for a RTD gig, at least. Perhaps BBC as a whole?

Speaking of which;

"Clara ? A woman?

Danny ? A Man?

Nardole ? An Alien"

Almost there.

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