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Personal logo foxbat Supporting Member of TMP12 May 2024 7:37 a.m. PST

3 cruisers and 6 destroyers, all but one of them were sunk during the hopeless defense of the Malay Barrier in early 1942.

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The De Ruyter, Doorman's flagship

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The Java

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GHQ has 2 variants of the Dutch Admiralen class.
1st variant

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2nd variant

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Lastly, the Tromp, the only light cruiser that escaped destruction as it was undergoing repairs at the time of the Battle of the Java Sea

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All of these to take part in my Java Sea NIMITZ campaign.

Wackmole912 May 2024 7:45 a.m. PST

and illeaguely salvaged in the modern era.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP12 May 2024 10:28 a.m. PST

Very nice models of a valiant but doomed fleet.

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP12 May 2024 11:17 a.m. PST

A friend of mine wanted to do a "Ghost" fleet for WW2 in the Pacific. It would be made up of ships that had been sunk during the wear.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP12 May 2024 1:42 p.m. PST

And also illegally salvaged was the USS Pope (DD-225) which was attempting, with the destroyer HMS Encounter to escort the damaged cruiser HMS Exeter (of Battle of the River Platte) fame out of the area. All three ships were sunk by Japanese naval surface and air action on sunk on 1 Mar 1942 between Borneo and Java . link

The USS Pope supported the US Army Flying Service "Around the World" flight in 1924. link

Jim

colkitto12 May 2024 2:25 p.m. PST

Very nice. I haven't got round to painting my Dutch force yet – haven't been sure how to paint them. Can I ask what sources you used for the camo patterns?

Murvihill13 May 2024 4:31 a.m. PST

There is also the Soerabaja, an old coastal defense ship. Poor thing never made it out of the harbor.

dragon6 Supporting Member of TMP13 May 2024 11:37 a.m. PST

I have Australian pictures of De Ruyter, Java, and Tromp, the only one of them that survived. The Australian's have photos of the cruisers showing the patterns and a couple of Dutch DDs and their patterns. Mostly the patterns only show one side and they are all black and white

For some reason I've managed to lose the Australian naval record locations :-(

troopwo Supporting Member of TMP13 May 2024 12:02 p.m. PST

Nice work.

The Dutch sub squadron in the Pacific and Indian Ocean is always overlooked despite some fairly decent tasks for the first year of the war.

Too hard to model though..

hindsTMP Supporting Member of TMP13 May 2024 1:02 p.m. PST

Colkitto,

Internet has images of camouflaged Dutch ships, but you have to dig for it. For example:

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. There is also a book "Dutch Warships of World War II" by Willigenburg, but I've seen some on-line disputes over his color interpretations. The Osprey book doesn't have much on camouflage (assume their plates are supposed to represent pre-war).

From sources like the above, I've accumulated images on my PC, in case I ever decide to paint them. :-)

colkitto14 May 2024 10:55 a.m. PST

Thank you dragon6 and hindsTMP. Yes, I've also accumulated a bunch of pics from the Internet over the years, also for the day when I get round to it, but I don't think I had seen those.

Now – the US destroyers … Can't determine whether they were overall grey or whether they'd adopted one of the distinctive USN schemes – any consensus on this?

Captain Pete17 May 2024 4:07 p.m. PST

Excellent work on all of those Dutch ships, Foxbat! There are some interesting scenarios to game here.

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