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BenFromBrooklyn | 14 May 2024 7:10 a.m. PST |
"Did we exterminate every Nazi soldier or supporter?" Every one who didn't lay did down his arms, yes. There were small numbers of Nazi troops that continued to fight. They were dealt with ruthlessly. In one amazing incident, at the very end of the war, a Wehrmacht unit helped the US Army defeat an SS unit. And for many of those that DID surrender… The Russians did the exterminating. This included Russians and Ukrainians who had been fighting against Russia. Repatriating them to Stalin was complicity in mass murder, and one of the low points of Allied WW2 politics. The Germans facing the Russians knew how the Russians would act. Most of the "Post war" fighting was actually Germans in the East, attempting to break out, flee west, and surrender to UK/US forces instead of Russian. |
Tortorella  | 14 May 2024 7:24 a.m. PST |
Very true..and ex-SS especially were sometimes summarily executed both in the East and West. At least the German fighters wore uniforms, I guess. Part of my point was that Hamas is not a great comparison. |
Legion 4  | 14 May 2024 7:51 a.m. PST |
A 4th, and the Russians will get the base we taxpayers paid for. Like Cam Rahn Bay in Vietnam. I'd say, though it is not really geopolitical, but the open border policy. Again, that was no accident. This policy is unconstitutional. Which is also an impeachable offense.
How will Israel win the peace? What might this really look like? A journalist, on CNN, being interviewed by Ferid Zakarias on Sunday. He said that Israel needs a partner from the Palestinians. To get elements like Hamas out of control. And deal with the Israelis like Jorden and Egypt does. I don't know where these Palestinians are going to come from ? The ones in the West Bank are fighting with the IDF now. To support their Palestinian brothers in Gaza. And didn't 93% of Gaza vote in Hamas? Albeit some may have been forced to vote for the terrorists. They run Gaza, not the average Palestinian on the street. Plus, Hamas is made up of some of the same man on the street. Hamas wants to destroy Israel. There is no talking to them. There will be survivors from the IDF's onslaught. Some that will escape. But I look at this like we did with ISIS. They are significantly attrited. Hiding in Syria and Iraq. They are nowhere near of a force/threat that they once were. Every now and then. The US forces kill of another leader and some minions. I think that will be the same scenario with Hamas. We and the IDF will just continue to kill off them when they are found. Part of my point was that Hamas is not a great comparison. No they have little similarity to the SS. As Hamas are terrorists/insurgents. Can't tell who is who. Albeit both committed heinous war crimes. Little quarter should be given … |
Tortorella  | 14 May 2024 8:06 a.m. PST |
Yes! These are the same questions I have… |
35thOVI  | 14 May 2024 8:12 a.m. PST |
I am not sure why we are willing to give the current administration the benefit of the doubt, when so many were not giving the same, to the previous administration. What has the current administration done to justify that doubt? Evidence was not demanded for the previous occupant: "He colluded with Russia!", "He is a dupe of Putin!", "He paid prostitutes to pee on a bed that Obama slept in!", "He is an anti-Semite!", "He is a racist!" And on and on and on and not true. But we will give the current occupant, every bit of doubt. It very much perplexes me. Is it because the MSM does not report the mistakes or outright lies? Is it because the MSM has done such a good job of demonizing "the evil orange man?" Did the POTUS disaster of a withdrawal in Afghanistan justify that doubt? Does the disastrous border invasion justify that doubt? Does the retreat from Niger justify that doubt? Does his current wishy-washy support of Israel justify it? I'm not saying this to be nasty nor to any one individual, I'm truly perplexed. Nothing that has happened since 2020 makes me put any faith in the current administration and not suspect what they are doing to Israel is not all politically motivated.
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SBminisguy | 14 May 2024 8:58 a.m. PST |
Escapee -- hyperbole much? "The Biden administration has chosen to support Hamas' war… "Really? No point in arguing here. Whatever you believe that proves this is up to you. Let's just say, for example, that FDR knew where Hitler's bunker was and that he British could crack the bunker and kill Hitler if they knew where it was also, thus shortening the war…but he kept it secret and prolonged the war. At that point he would have been choosing Hitler over Britain. Same thing here. Let's also say that despite having paid for say, the x50 Lend Lease destroyers that Britain would need to keep its convoys sailing that FDR objected to Britain bombing Berlin in response to the Fire Bombing of Coventry. Bad, bad Britain! No Destroyers for you! At that point, FDR would be choosing to support Hitler's War. Same thing here. "The US has withheld critical intelligence that would end the war.." okay, what exactly is it then? The US knew where Hamas' leadership and C&C bunkers are located in Gaza. Killing Hamas' leaders significantly degrades the ability of Hamas to stay in the fight and perhaps allow other Palestinian voices not wedded to waging the Final War in the ruins of Berlin against the Jews. Does the IDF now know after watching "Outnumbered"? So end the war. Sure --how? Hamas has broken all cease fires, still holds hostages and still says they want to kill all the Jews. The only way to win is to defeat Hamas. Or…maybe explain why some Dems would condemn thousands to death to maybe get some election help. Isn't that what they are doing by choosing to prolong the war and degrade Israel's chance of winning and breaking Hamas in Gaza? They may not be thinking in those terms, bit that's what their actions result in as a consequence of turning out the Muslim vote in Michigan to win that key Swing State in the 2024 presidential election.
Israel stands alone now…forever backed by billions in U.S. equipment and support. Who's trying to win an election with this rhetoric now? Not the point of my comment, the pojnt is that the US under Biden is not being a supportive ally of Israel and Biden is playing domestic political games with international security. What is the reality? Can you kill every Hamas supporter and then there will be peace and prosperity? It is said that every Gazan family who loses a loved one to the IDF has a recruitment visit from Hamas. Nope, but you can kill Hamas leadership and break them as an organized force in control of Gaza, and then what will be will be. And given Hamas is a brutal totalitarian organization how do we know that Hamas is so popular when to answer anything except "Yes I love Hamas" is to invite retaliation and death? You know what they do if condemned as a collaborator? If you're lucky they just shoot you or hang you -- if they are really feeling energetic they will dismember you and parade your body parts around as a warning. Third Reich? Did we kill every Nazi party member in order to end the war? Gaza does look like Berlin, I guess. What was the lesson for post war success? Destroying the leadership was critical. Punishing the inhuman criminals. Did we exterminate every Nazi soldier or supporter? Nope, you're AGREEING WITH ME! How did we defeat the Nazis? We broke their capacity to wage war and killed all their leaders. That's what Israel is trying to do and now Biden is trying to stop them from doings so. Reality. It is possible that you cannot exterminate Hamas. We agree that this would be great. I want to know how they can prove when they are done doing this. How will Israel win the peace? What might this really look like? You can certainly kill their leaders whenever you find them, deny them a base of operations and the capacity to wage war. As to how Israel will win the peace, don't know and at this point I don't care. First you need to win the war before you can win the peace, which team Biden are trying to block. Say, you've demanded a lot of answers, so why don't you tell me what's YOUR plan for winning the peace> |
SBminisguy | 14 May 2024 9:13 a.m. PST |
Nothing that has happened since 2020 makes me put any faith in the current administration and not suspect what they are doing to Israel is not all politically motivated. Most of the foreign policy team in charge today were also in charge to one level or other during the Obama Admin during which they: 1. Started the optional Libya War to topple Khadaffi resulting in mass death and mass refugee flows and greater global instability (and the Benghazi fiasco) 2. Toppled the secular ALLIED Mubarak regime of Egypt and empowered the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood to power. When a popular counter coup led by secular al Sisi ousted the Muslim Brotherhood the US condemned and froze the assets of the new secular regime. 3. Withdrew prematurely from Iraq, collapsing the US presence there and leading to the rise of the ISIS Caliphate 4. Exacerbated and inflamed the Syrian Civil War and ended up sending resources to Jihadi forces who happened to be anti-Assad 5. Failed to act in any meaningful way to Putin's invasion of Georgia, to Putin's annexation of Crimea, or Putin's invasion of Eastern Ukraine. 6. Cut a deal with Putin to get "quiet time" to help the 2012 presidential election which was to renege on US-Polish defense projects. 7. Empowered Iran, failed to meaningfully respond to rising terrorism and conflict started by Iran, including the collapse of Yemen and take-over by the Iranian backed Houthi -- and even ordered the USMC embassy security contingent in Yemen to surrender to the Houthi Many more fiascos to list -- and they are in charge again today. How's that working out for us? |
35thOVI  | 14 May 2024 9:25 a.m. PST |
True SB. And if Israel wanted to perpetuate Genocide on the Palestinians, they would know how if anyone and would be doing a much, much better job of it? |
Tortorella  | 14 May 2024 9:33 a.m. PST |
I am responding to all the speculative comments, SB. You said "The Biden admin has chosen to support war…" what gives here? You got some sort of proof so I can respond with a plan for peace? I think it might be fair to say we have all said that Hamas must be wiped out. How will that work? When it's done, we can make a plan. But who's left if we believe the polls? Plenty of political comments here about looking for votes, playing domestic politics. Could be… WE don't know cause BOTH sides are FOS. As for intent, Biden could be trying to reduce the casualties. I doubt he is deliberately trying to help Hamas. Yes I hear what happens to Palestinians who defy Hamas, and I have said many time we should not use data about how most of them vote or think a certain way for political points. 35th, I don't want to hear that stuff either, and there was a ton of it on the right for Trumps opponent. Also gross. Brutal. Now comes another election where I fear both choices. I don't know where the Middle stands yet. Of course I am agreeing with you on the Nazis, SB. If we believe most Palestinians support Hamas and are therefore terrorists, what to do? It is not quite the same to me. I agree more than people here think sometimes. But we don't have all the pieces. |
SBminisguy | 14 May 2024 10:35 a.m. PST |
I am responding to all the speculative comments, SB. You said "The Biden admin has chosen to support war…" what gives here? You got some sort of proof so I can respond with a plan for peace? How would you characterize it then? My proof is basic logic. IF Biden denies Israel intel that could shorten the War THEN Bide is choosing to prolong the war IF Biden denies Israel the precision weapons it needs to wage war on Hamas and minimize civilian deaths THEN Biden is choosing to support MORE civilian deaths As for intent, Biden could be trying to reduce the casualties. I doubt he is deliberately trying to help Hamas. His intent is to try and straddle the fence and woo the Muslim vote in the key swing state of Michigan (and hard Left Democrats in general) by showing he's tough on Israel, while also pretending to supporters of Israel that he's pro-Israel so as not lose the support of Jewish voters and Centrist Democrats. In so doing he helps Hamas, prolongs the war, and contributes to more civilian casualties. All for domestic US politics, international security bedamned. |
Nine pound round | 14 May 2024 1:42 p.m. PST |
Comparisons of Hamas to the Nazis are, if anything, unfair to the Nazis. There's ample evidence that at least some of the Germans who carried out the worst excesses were sickened by their own deeds. Himmler famously vomited while watching Auschwitz in action. They tried to hide what they were doing while they did it, and they tried to conceal the evidence when they were done- partly to avoid punishment, but that's an impulse that suggests that at least at some level they understood that they were doing something wrong. The Hamas criminals, by contrast, not only filmed their killings, torture and rape, they broadcast it on the Internet for all to see. Some sent them to their families. For that reason, I don't think it's at all odd to compare the two- or to suggest that the organization that perpetrated one set of atrocities should be destroyed as completely as the one that perpetrated the other set. At least the Nazis realized, at some level, that they were doing wrong. This seemed so obvious to me that I thought it would not take more in the way of explanation. But it's funny how people's sense of reasonability and moral judgment, so marked, indignant and certain when confronted with matters of domestic politics, becomes hesitant, equivocal, and questioning when confronted with actual documented atrocities. |
SBminisguy | 14 May 2024 1:43 p.m. PST |
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35thOVI  | 14 May 2024 2:59 p.m. PST |
Subject: Democrats try to stamp out defections on GOP's Israel arms sales bill link |
Tortorella  | 14 May 2024 6:53 p.m. PST |
Obvious? Unfair to Nazis? They knew they were wrong? I have a strong personal connection to Nuremberg and the discovery of the evidence and prosecution of the Einsatzgruppen monsters. The scale alone precludes your comparison making sense. I have lived Germany 1945 through someone who was there as a soldier, an investigator, a prosecutor. I know all about atrocities and moral judgement. And I know from first hand accounts. I have advocated for the destruction of Hamas as much as anyone. They are their own kind of monsters. I am not cutting either group any slack. I am asking about realistic outcomes for peace and a future. I am all for capital punishment for capital war crimes and get the complexities this can bring in a post war world. You are crying politics to me? Logic tells me that we don't know what we don't know. It doesn't tell me anything about the latest briefings at the agencies, the assets inside Gaza, the status of IDF logistics, where all the other regional powers stand right now. A whole lot of unknowns… You could be right about Biden. I know some of what you believe. How much do you know? Yea, I am questioning….what now? How does it end? |
Nine pound round | 15 May 2024 4:35 a.m. PST |
Spare me the bogus indignation and self-dramatization. You didn't "live Germany 1945," you heard stories, just like everyone else on this forum has. That doesn't give you special moral standing or unique expertise. Hamas as killers are vicious and utterly remorseless, and cannot be expected to be a party to a postwar settlement, any more than the Nazis could. The organization has to be destroyed, root and branch, and whether some kind of occupation authority or new government replaces it is going to have to somehow be built on some other basis than Hamas. But before you can get to creating something new, the old has to be completely destroyed- both so that the perpetrators aren't left to repeat it, and so that the rest of the world gets the message that this is the reward for atrocious behavior. I'll let you wring your hands about what you don't know. Most adults live in a world where there are a lot of unknowns; it's not terribly interesting to hear the list recited. Real decision makers understand that their knowledge is incomplete, and plan their actions accordingly. |
Tortorella  | 15 May 2024 6:13 a.m. PST |
Okay, ….er, thanks! Now I ‘m really wringing my hands some more – it must be my special moral standing. But my source of info is definitely unique and I was definitely immersed in it. Killing six million people and then thinking it might be wrong is not a thing for me with Nazis. It's way worse than this far less impactful gang of fanatic killers in the Middle East. Hamas are wacky killers who have inflicted terrible pain. They would never wonder if it was wrong like Nazis might. This seems like your point. Assuming Hamas is destroyed what will happen next? Knowing so much as you do, anything to share? Not terribly interesting? Most adults? Stop lecturing and reworking my position and question. Better yet let's move on…I can only wring for so long. So long. |
Nine pound round | 15 May 2024 7:23 a.m. PST |
As I've said before, don't let me keep you. |
SBminisguy | 15 May 2024 8:39 a.m. PST |
Obvious? Unfair to Nazis? They knew they were wrong? I have a strong personal connection to Nuremberg and the discovery of the evidence and prosecution of the Einsatzgruppen monsters. The scale alone precludes your comparison making sense. I have lived Germany 1945 through someone who was there as a soldier, an investigator, a prosecutor. I know all about atrocities and moral judgement. And I know from first hand accounts. For someone so close to Nuremberg, how can you find fault with Nine pound round's statement? Did you never read "Ordinary Men?" link Ordinary men who were manipulated into taking actions as a group they would probably never do on their own. You'll see that some men broke ranks and refused to participate. They were punished. Others pretended to shoot but missed -- and an SS officer would accompany them and threaten to shoot them unless they pulled the trigger. Some refused to shoot and were threatened with execution, and some tried to run away from the massacre duty and were themselves executed. Others pulled the triggers but "wept bitterly" and prayed for forgiveness. In none of the accounts do you see any evidence of the type of JOY that the Hamas killers expressed to the world. In contrast to the Hamas killers, the average Einsatztruppen soldier often ended up addicted to Pervitin (Meth) or alcohol. Some committed suicide. Some deserted. And some, yes, embraced their evil as only the truly lost can and perversely celebrated their actions. Even so, most of those who returned home were so conflicted that they destroyed their marriages and relationships. And they ALL hid their actions from society, they ALL tried to pretend they had never done what they did. So they knew what they were doing was wrong at all levels. In sharp contrast the Hamas "wacky killers" as you call them reveled in their atrocities. Went out of their way to be publicly cruel and brutal, live streamed their atrocities, sent videos of their bloody work to the family of their victims, and in that one case even called their mom to jubilantly declare how many Jews they had killed. And Hamas have said they want to do this to all Jews. So why not take them at their word, and kill their nightmare movement before they get the kind of power the Nazis had. The kind of power Hamas says it intends to get.
Assuming Hamas is destroyed what will happen next? Knowing so much as you do, anything to share? Ahh…throw my question back in my face, eh? You're the one so intent on winning the peace that you'd fail to win the war. So now YOU need to contribute something useful to this thread: What do YOU think "Winning the Peace" looks like? |
Legion 4  | 15 May 2024 8:54 a.m. PST |
Reports today said the US top leadership has changed their mind. The IDF will be getting the entire shipment of ammo and ordinance. We'll see … FWIW, Hamas is fighting a low-intensity guerilla war. Among the ruins of Gaza. Snipers and small unit ambushes in Gaza city and elsewhere. The IDF is kept busy in places they had once secured, etc. Mopping up Hamas guerillas in various locations. If this report is true, and I believe it is. This may be the future of the War in Gaza. And may go on for a while. Regardless, the Hamas, etc. terrorist leaders and minions must still be attrited … |
Nine pound round | 15 May 2024 9:01 a.m. PST |
But….but…..but……even though they've "inflicted terrible pain," the Hamas killers are "less impactful." Spoken as only someone remote from actual violence can put it. Notice how those words are deployed to minimize the actual, proximate violence, and make the discussion about numbers: a convenient strategy to elide away the horror of October 7. |
35thOVI  | 15 May 2024 10:20 a.m. PST |
Legion, yes the admin ok'ed "some" held arms and ammo, (positive development), 1 billion to be exact. But I believe the precision munitions used to knock out the tunnels, etc., are still being held back. Which is part of the reason that Hamas can still use tunnels to infiltrate north again, (according to the news today). There were Nazis that enjoyed the killing as much as Hamas, the true believers. Most WW2 vets I talked to, did not blame the common German soldier, but they hated the SS units they fought and were not inclined to show mercy to them. Of course, neither did the SS units. The common soldier in the Pacific I've talked to, hated the Japanese they fought and most times, no mercy was given by either side. Watch "Pacific", actually pretty accurate, although it does not show the brutality of the Japanese soldier. Hamas are animals. They are the what the worst of the SS were. What would peace be for me. The eradication of Hamas as a terrorist force. The end of missiles coming in from Gaza. Hamas leadership responsible for the attack, tried and publicly executed, as well as any participating soldiers. A UN occupation force in Gaza with supervised elections. No one with a terrorist background can run. A Gaza that was like Lebanon before terrorism took over there would be great, but unlikely. |
Tortorella  | 15 May 2024 11:05 a.m. PST |
I have confused you SB, I was talking to 9 lb but was not clear. I apologize, I would never have spoken to you like that. You are far more eloquent about the history of some average SS than 9 pd. I don't really know anything about Hamas but some of their methods. By wacky I mean they somehow disassociate themselves from the extreme violence they commit. Insane is better. But who knows? Do they all want to blow themselves up, or do some think that at some level, they are doing wrong? So, 9pd: "Spoken as someone remote from actual violence….." Not true, while I do not discuss my career here, it did include dealing with violence and PTSD. Notice how I did NOT minimize the actual violence of today, not now, not earlier. Impact…I thought I was clear I was referring to numbers, not the nature of the attacks or the impact on the victims. I guess I should have said that at least Hamas hasn't murdered 6 million hostages…. I think that would be worse than what they have already done, but you know me better than I do, so tell me I'm wrong. Maybe omit the word "elide" Ha! 35th, I agree. A peacekeeping force seems likely for a number of years. I would be concerned about the post war influence of terrorist recruiters and hidden Hamas supporters. And the issues with Iran are unresolved. Did we lose a chance to strike there during the Houthi attacks? Not good. If Iran is behind everything and we let them off the hook…peace is not going to last. |
35thOVI  | 15 May 2024 12:06 p.m. PST |
Yes, Iran seems to have fallen off the radar lately. 🤔 Some might wonder why I did not mention the return of the hostages. I hope against hope that they will be freed… but I really don't believe Hamas will let that happen. 😔 |
Tortorella  | 15 May 2024 1:21 p.m. PST |
I have confused you SB, I was talking to 9 lb but was not clear. I apologize, I would never have spoken to you like that. You are far more eloquent about the history of some average SS than 9 pd. I have a deep bias. I don't really know anything about Hamas but some of their methods. By wacky I mean they somehow disassociate themselves from the extreme violence they commit. Insane is better. But who knows? Do they all want to blow themselves up, or do some think that at some level, they are doing wrong? So, 9pd: "Spoken as someone remote from actual violence….." Not true, while I do not discuss my career here, it did include dealing with violence and PTSD. Notice how I did NOT minimize the actual violence of today, not now, not earlier. Impact…I thought I was clear I was referring to numbers, not the nature of the attacks or the impact on the victims. I guess I should have said that at least Hamas hasn't murdered 6 million hostages…. I think that would be worse than what they have already done, but you know me better than I do, so tell me I'm wrong. Maybe omit the word "elide" Ha! 35th, I agree. A peacekeeping force seems likely for a number of years. I would be concerned about the post war influence of terrorist recruiters and hidden Hamas supporters. And the issues with Iran are unresolved. Did we lose a chance to strike there during the Houthi attacks? Not good. If Iran is behind everything and we let them off the hook…peace is not going to last. |
Nine pound round | 15 May 2024 3:36 p.m. PST |
I don't care about your career, any more than I care about your risible claim to have "lived Germany 1945." What I do care about is the way you have continued to misrepresent and distort my arguments here for irrelevant personal reasons ("I have a deep bias") as you have on other threads. And if you think you're clear, it's time to give Khan Academy a call. |
Nine pound round | 15 May 2024 4:37 p.m. PST |
SB, thanks for adding the additional context I lacked the time to provide. I have seldom read any reply to a post of mine on TMP that demonstrated such a clear grasp of my brief argument, and built it out in a way that had me nodding as I read it – "yes, yes, exactly – right!" I really appreciate your ability to present your arguments honestly and cogently, with clear and grammatical language. Above all, you don't seem to have the narcissistic need to drag your own life and experiences into everything, which is so refreshing- so many people these days start their arguments with "As a -", as if their persona or experience somehow provides them with some standing that makes their argument uniquely important and unassailable. I hope you stick around TMP- and that you find a debating foil whose basic intelligence and critical reasoning skills give you a run for your money! |
Tortorella  | 15 May 2024 5:42 p.m. PST |
Khan!!! And an excellent na-na-na-na-na as well, 9pd. And right on about SB. Yes, too dramatic about 1945, even though I said it was through another person, it really makes no sense when I think about it and nobody cares. I don't agree with you and your style here sometimes and nobody cares about that either. It happens. I made a mistake in coming back here. So enough. I am sorry we went through this, sorry for any bad vibes I caused. |
SBminisguy | 15 May 2024 9:06 p.m. PST |
I am sorry we went through this, sorry for any bad vibes I caused. No worries, with modern media we've become silo'd and used to talking past each other. For my part, I see a moral picture quite clearly that places Hamas on the same level as the Einstaztruppen, the SS and the Nazis. The more I read of how they conduct themselves at all levels of the Gazan society they dominated the more my opinion is reinforced. So when I see the pro-Hamas demonstrators chanting "from the river to the sea" I see a modern American Bund movement. Maybe I'll call it the Hamas Bund movement. |
35thOVI  | 16 May 2024 6:42 a.m. PST |
"So when I see the pro-Hamas demonstrators chanting "from the river to the sea" I see a modern American Bund movement. Maybe I'll call it the Hamas Bund movement." "Hamasholes" possibly? 😉 |
Dragon Gunner | 16 May 2024 6:50 a.m. PST |
Biden means well but he is a civilian and cannot grasp the quickest way to end the suffering, famine and collateral damage in the Gaza Strip is to utterly destroy Hamas as quickly as possible. |
Tortorella  | 16 May 2024 7:11 a.m. PST |
Thanks, and yes, these demonstrations have changed my thinking. And I continue to wonder where these views come from, who informs these groups? But I don't want the politicized speculation charging everyone up even more. Facts are good. I agree….while the Nazis annd Hamas are different in scale and organization, the victims all suffer horrible deaths. I hope you are wrong about the Bund…but it does not look good. Ben Ferencz died last year, age 103. I knew him personally for 50 years, heard his stories, some grim. I think you can still watch "Prosecuting Evil" on Prime. After all he did and saw, he always stayed positive for peace. He will be honored at The Hague in a couple of weeks. I need to watch and/or read Ordinary Men, thanks for that, a missing piece for me. And there is a lot about Hamas and all the other suicide crazies I would like to know. Are some of them Ordinary Men? |
Legion 4  | 16 May 2024 8:44 a.m. PST |
And I continue to wonder where these views come from, who informs these groups? But I don't want the politicized speculation charging everyone up even more. Facts are good. I had posted this before here. These rioters are funded by rich progressive, etc. millionaires & billionaires both from the US and overseas. E.g. China, Iran, some other Arab nations, as well a few other US groups of progressives, etc. Plus, don't forget some of the professors, teacher, educators in our learning institutes "radicalize", etc. these young inexperienced minds. Most of which were born with a silver spoon in their spoiled mouths. Professional rioters/agitators/insurgents that were paid for by again very wealthy Americans, etc. We know all the likely suspects many by name. These "babies" are trained to be rioters against the USA, etc. Weak, etc. leadership at most of these universities allowed such crimes to be committed. As well as progressive judges, DAs, etc. funded by the rich, let these rioters out of jail almost before the ink is dry on the LEOs' paperwork. Just like with the 2020 BLM/Antifa riots. All this is not an accident … it was well funded, well planned, etc. With a vacuum of leadership sometimes what takes its place becomes a real threat … |
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