"France sends troops to Ukraine" Topic
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| nickinsomerset | 06 May 2024 2:08 p.m. PST |
Hot off the press, "due to the chemicals Russia is using against Ukraine large tracts of land have mutated and turned into tropical rainforest" Ha ha, Tally Ho! |
| Nine pound round | 06 May 2024 2:11 p.m. PST |
This is priceless, better than "South Park." |
| Cuprum2 | 06 May 2024 5:45 p.m. PST |
Lilian, the Russians were ready to send troops to Czechoslovakia for the war against Hitler in 1938 (at that time Czechoslovakia and the USSR were allies). But it was largely thanks to the French that this did not happen – both Romania and Poland were in your sphere of influence and would undoubtedly have let Soviet troops through if France had asked for it.
link Did Russian troops fight against the Allies in France? No – these were collaborators who faced the death penalty or the Gulag in Russia. What awaited the French "volunteers" who fought against the Russians?
In your photo – residents of Central Asia, and not like non-Russians))) Although most likely – former citizens of the USSR. Yes, among the French who went to fight against the USSR there were many Russian emigrants. But the problem is that among the French resistance, a significant part were also Russians (or communists) ;-) Here is Pétain's greeting for those who went to fight against Russia:
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And calm down – I don't blame France. Your honor was saved by DeGaulle and other thousands of Frenchmen who fought honestly against the Nazis. And Stalin personally insisted on including France among the victorious powers in World War II.
In Russia they remember the French contribution to the common victory. Do they remember in France?
Event at a Russian school. 2022. I hope you don't need the translation:
YouTube link nickinsomerset, there is little left – provide evidence)))
Why do the Russians need chemical weapons if they are already winning, and in addition, have a whole range of nuclear tactical weapons? The effect of its use will be much higher, but the negative media impact will be almost the same? Nonsense. |
 Legion 4  | 06 May 2024 6:24 p.m. PST |
Yes, after some research, etc., I think this story about the French sending troops to Ukraine is fake. I hate when the media or what passes for media pulls this sort of 💩 |
| nickinsomerset | 07 May 2024 1:11 a.m. PST |
"Why do the Russians need chemical weapons if they are already winning" Plenty of evidence is coming out and the russians have not bothered denying it. Hardly winning their illegal invasion yet, Tally Ho! |
| Cuprum2 | 07 May 2024 2:05 a.m. PST |
The burden of proof lies with the one who made the charges. By the way, where can I look at the evidence? Usually, all evidence for such accusations comes down to the testimony of alleged eyewitnesses and murky video. Specialists who are responsible for their words in such cases report that for some reason they cannot get to the scene of the incident, but unconditionally believe that this is possible)))
Eternal empty chatter that is not worth any attention… |
| 35thOVI | 07 May 2024 4:38 a.m. PST |
Legion, I would go with false now too. No new entries today. So I apologize for posting it. When I saw an Indian and Polish associated source saying it was true, I accepted it. Guess I ignore Asia Times from now on. 🙂 |
| nickinsomerset | 07 May 2024 6:27 a.m. PST |
"Eternal empty chatter that is not worth any attention" ,just like single source russian "truth" Tally Ho! |
| Legion 4 | 07 May 2024 6:50 a.m. PST |
Legion, I would go with false now too
Well, we all have been taken in by "fake" news. It seems to be a standard for much of the media. Accurate reporting many times is not … But it sells, gets ratings.
E.g. watching CNN, they are talking about a high-profile court case in NYC. Currently in the news. This case involves a Playboy Playmate as well as a female adult film star. That really does not have everything about this case. But their names are very often mentioned in this case. Of course, sex sells. Ask any marketing firm. Didn't Mark Twain say, "If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." That was over 100 years ago …
Back OT … IMO, IF the FFL 3e REI vs. a Russian unit of equal strength did occur. However unlikely in reality. Based on the Russian's performance … the 3e REI would be the clear winner.
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| BenFromBrooklyn | 07 May 2024 10:46 a.m. PST |
Russia has already officially announced that any foreign troops in Ukraine will be attacked… Does this include the Russian troops in Ukraine? At least we're clear on that the territory is "Ukraine", not "Putin's Russian Lebensraum Project". |
| Dagwood | 08 May 2024 1:46 a.m. PST |
Cuprum, "alleged eye witness" reports and murky video are about all you would expect from a front line. When does an "alleged eye witness" become an "eye witness" ? Russia has been proven to have used chemical weapons in the last few years, mainly on State enemies abroad, and killing nearby civilians in the process. Salisbury ? |
| Cuprum2 | 08 May 2024 8:00 p.m. PST |
Dagwood when providing obvious, verifiable evidence. Are there any doctors' reports? Are there any soil samples? Are there any remains of used Russian shells? No? Then there's nothing to talk about. Russian TV channels also regularly talk about chemical weapons used by Ukrainians. But so far there is no evidence – this is just stupid propaganda for not very smart people. Proven? By whom? Is there a court decision where the circumstances were considered? Or is it now enough for justice to have an article in a newspaper? |
| Dagwood | 09 May 2024 8:24 a.m. PST |
Just the eye witnesses, then, until a forensic team can be sent safely to the front line to collect the soil samples. For what it's worth, I don't necessarily believe the witnesses either. But there have been previous reports of tear gas being used, by reliable witnesses. Not the worst of chemicals. The UK police do not, in general, share detailed evidence before a trial, but pictures of the suspects have been shown on TV, and stories of their quick escape to Russia. There has been a request for extradition of two Russians on a charge of murder. The Russian response was to make the suspects members of the Russian Parliament (through a fair and free election of course !!). I believe members of the Russian Parliament are legally barred from extradition under Russian law. All of that points not only to guilt, but to government involvement in that guilt. |
| Midlander65 | 09 May 2024 12:40 p.m. PST |
"Did France fight against the USSR?" Some French Nationals obviously did. Vichy France certainly fought against the Allies whilst the Free French fought alongside them. Modern France is the successor to the Free-French but I does that entirely absolve France of actions supporting the Nazis during the war? Civil wars and divisions leave a complicated legacy. |
| Lilian | 09 May 2024 2:08 p.m. PST |
nope, first there was no 'civil war' in France and second that is only the usual way to rewrite the History in the Anglosphere with a total lack of objectivity to appear always as the goods guys of the movie in WWII occulting or absolving all yours stabs in the backs and small/half or full betrayals against France the dirties capitulors froggies in comparison to the always braves and courageous US and UK white knights great success in the libraries in France these last months "We are alone" about the French diplomatical History and the hard fact that UK and US didn't cease to support Germany against France betwen 1920 and 1939
we are at war again because for 20 years we have taken the French for Germans and the Germans for French.
Lord Vansittart September 1939 fired from the Foreign Office because hostile of the policy of his country Did France fight against the USSR?"Some French Nationals obviously did. Vichy France certainly fought against the Allies whilst the Free French fought alongside them no sorry : firstly and key-moment it was rather Great Britain who fought against France – and the FRANCE of the 3rd REPUBLIC please – not some so-called Vichy France as good excuse or alibi, and sent ad patres more French sailors in few hours than the nazi Kriegsmarine in the previous 8 months of war, launching assault against the 10 000 remaining in England to send them in POW's camps
after that British as well as Japanese or Siamese or again Germans and Italians and even US did the same, never never never Vichy France fought agaisnt the allies it was rather the allies as well as the Axis who didn't respect or didn't care at all the French territorial integrity and came to attack Vichy France in a defensive posture, sorry that it is not the same thing to tell the story like that in comparison to the previous politically correct version "Vichy fought the Allies" France has drastically experienced what means the Vae Victis from his ennemies as well as from his own so-called allied friends and partners who still don't undertand why remains a so deep French distrust towards them However despite Mers-el-Kébir Vichy didn't renounce to a mutual defence against Japs : the british reply and reaction was to block the French renforceiments while Japanese and Siamese armed by US planes attacked Indochina, despite France bought an huge number of 6000 planes in US she didn't even see the color of one of them… and contrary to the goods fairy tales of the PCF creature of Moscou counted by Cuprum : nor the "Russians" nor the PCF "communists" was the main force of the French Resistance, precisely quite far from such other politically correct vision still served sometimes by the french leftist intelligenstia who sounds like a joke today in France, among the first people in the Resistance while the communists called to the collaboration and friendship with Germany, there were Vichy supporters such as the "Creator of the Resistance", Fresnay, or several others Vichy Army personnel etc, among the first with de Gaulle in London, there were pure royalists, conservative military as de Gaulle himself or even far right terrorists of the Cagoule while Maurice Thorez lider of the PCF most famous deserter of the French Army fled his sappers company for Moscou before facing the German Army (probably as proletarian vanguard 2 years before Barbarossa who knows) when the germans conquered France in june 1940 among rumours French people thought that the germans invaders and occupiers have installed their communists friends with a communist govt and Thorez as president in Palais de l'Elysée, first German gift to their friends was to release from French jails the communists arrested few weeks and months before obviously Stalin as well as Roosevelt didn't care at all of France and the last one led a well-known full hostile pathological anti-french policy throughout the war that shocked even the British or others govts and until within the US military or diplomatical personnel
but I give credit to Cuprum about one point where takes place the story of the most famous French Air unit squadron Normandie-Niémen, de Gaulle was so exasperated by US and UK policies towards, or rather against, Free France that he would disarm and intern all the British militay on French soil, and would like to transfer his siege to Moscow and Russia was of the three partners during the War the most advanced in recognition of Free France, US the most hostile and UK right in the middle for all the rest exactly as the Russian Legion still in France in 1918 despite Russia had ceased to our greatest ally, French volunteers legions and units there were a lot throughout the History and wars Rhodesian Congolese Armies, in whole battalions in Spanish Civil War, in both sides French Union and Confederate in ACW, French units in Spanish British Dutch Austrian Armies between 1792 and 1814 and what else? while I read Cuprum's red pink story of the communists in WWII, I was just reading the Armée de Condé French under Russian service pay uniform taking an oath to the Tsar (exaclty like the LVF did with Hitler and not Pétain)
but all that didn't mean that France was allied to all these countries from Spain to Lincoln's US or Confederate nor Germany, e.g. the LVF was a private initiative in northern occupied zone with local german authorihies and nothing to do with Vichy southern free zone where Pétain forbade to the French Army personnel to enlist in such german unit |
| Cuprum2 | 09 May 2024 7:22 p.m. PST |
Dagwood, tear gas? Let's assume. Hm. That is, the police of European countries use chemical weapons to disperse demonstrations? Non-conventional Don't you think there's a contradiction here somewhere? As far as I remember, in most legal systems no one can be called a criminal without a corresponding court order. Until then, the person is only a suspect, and therefore innocent. And besides, the trial can be scheduled without the participation of the suspect if it is impossible to bring him to the courtroom (if new evidence is discovered, the decision can be revised). Is not it? So what's the problem? I think solely in the lack of evidence, since such a case will simply "fall apart" in court.
And where did you get the idea that the suspects are members of the Russian parliament? Lilian, yes, you correctly described the behavior of communists in France before the German attack on the USSR. But don't you see the consequences here of France (among others) betraying Czechoslovakia? After this, the attitude towards Western democracies (including France) both in the USSR and in the communist movement changed. The Soviet Union realized that it would have to survive alone.
The story is dirty, but it also has its reasons…
But it is also stupid to deny the merits of the communist movement in the subsequent fight against the Nazis, and even more so the merits of the non-communist Russian emigration. And in general, this conversation was not about the history of European relations, but about the status of French troops that could be sent to Ukraine and this would become a reason for war between France and Russia. I think we should stick to this topic.
As for the past, every country has a huge pile of bloody laundry in its closet and you can endlessly and to no avail blame each other for past crimes. We would like to stop the current slide towards nuclear catastrophe ;-) |
| Cuprum2 | 10 May 2024 7:19 a.m. PST |
Russian search engines found a Yak-1 plane that belonged to the French pilot Jean de Sibourg. He was shot down in an air battle on August 31, 1943 near the city of Yelnya. The fate of the pilot is still unknown. His remains were not discovered on the plane. YouTube link |
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