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Sandinista17 May 2024 4:32 p.m. PST

Another Leveller here
Ian

hi EEE ya Supporting Member of TMP17 May 2024 10:59 p.m. PST

@Jefthro3
Long live the king !

@Sandinista
Yes another Leveler here.

Baron von Wreckedoften II06 Oct 2024 10:46 a.m. PST

Your allegiances would all have been dictated (if they weren't already chosen for you by your Lord/employer/pastor) by your circumstances at the time. In no particular order…..family background, wealth (or lack of), religion and/or devotion, community ties, availability of reading material, degree of education, occupation, and so on and so on.

Richard III26 Dec 2024 2:15 a.m. PST

I support our constitutional monarchy today, however in the 1640's I would have sided with parliament and used the cry "For King and Parliament " to establish such a type of monarchy.
I feel once the short lived republic and the chaos that caused started I would like many others have fought to restore a monarch.

KeepYourPowderDry27 Dec 2024 8:26 a.m. PST

I must confess that despite my fascination with the period, I am still completely bamboozled by the vitriol this innocent question arouses in some circles. There are some professional historians who behave as though this was a series of conflicts that took place 15-20 years ago. To be fair, they are mostly Royalist leaning, usually with a connection to the Society of King Charles the Martyr; there are some leaning towards Parliament who aren't averse to spitting vitriol, but they are in a minority. These were wars that were fought nearly 400 years ago for heavens sake. I'd have thought that the dust would have settled by now.

I can understand the hatred for Cromwell in Ireland; a very different issue.

Me? I must confess to leaning towards the Levellers and Diggers wanting to create a free and equal society. 'Mainstream' Parliamentarian cause, was pretty indistinguishable from the Royalist cause.

My family loyalty was Parliamentarian, with a great X lots uncle the Parliamentarian treasurer for Lancashire; and a great X lots grandfather captaining a company for Colonel Holland's RoF, then the Army Newly Modelled. So I guess I would probably have followed the family.

Baron von Wreckedoften II01 Jan 2025 4:23 a.m. PST

I can understand the hatred for Cromwell in Ireland; a very different issue.

Ironically, Cromwell's atrocities were largely invented – or at least grossly exaggerated – by contemporary Royalist propaganda designed to get us Irish on-side with the Restoration. Tom Reilly's book "Cromwell: an honourable enemy" deals with this admirably – he actually hanged his own men for stealing chickens from Irish civilians.

KeepYourPowderDry01 Jan 2025 5:55 a.m. PST

Know all about Royalist propaganda over egging the pudding, coupled with what was accepted as 'fair game' in the C17th, Cromwell's reputation has been made him into a bogeyman.

I was trying to be diplomatic and not cause offence 😉

Sandinista04 Jan 2025 11:32 p.m. PST

I agree, Tom Reilly's book "Cromwell: an honourable enemy" is a good book to read, I enjoyed it a lot.
Ian

CFeicht05 Jan 2025 7:15 p.m. PST

Royalist. Cromwell was a poseur.

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