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Dragon Gunner24 Mar 2024 4:09 a.m. PST

After watching the interviews of the perpetrators they do not strike me as a bunch of highly skilled trained fanatical operatives. They appear to be a bunch of halfwits, recruited by what they thought was easy money and thought they were going to actually get away.

ISIS get some publicity.

Putin gets to blame Ukraine and the "West".

My question is where was Moscow law enforcement when the attack took place? Clearly this attack had to have gone on for awhile.

Cuprum224 Mar 2024 4:39 a.m. PST

I have a hard time believing that these are untrained amateur terrorists:
- they skillfully handle weapons, namely: transferring fire in motion, have a fairly well-developed rapid reloading of weapons;
- the terrorists clearly worked out all the elements of the terrorist attack according to "timing", acted quickly and clearly (They entered the building at 20.00, at 20.13 they had already fled the crime scene in a car;
- acted without unnecessary emotions and cold-bloodedly shot unarmed people. The first shots destroyed the security guards at the main entrance to the building;
- the terrorists' weapons had mounted tuning in the form of flashlights and a laser target designator – you need to be able to use all of this;

The terrorists clearly did not intend to die in a terrorist attack.
This is not typical for Islamic terrorists (they are fanatics and are always ready to die, even if the operation does not imply this), but it is typical for mercenaries.

The retreat of terrorists raises many questions.
If the people detained in the Bryansk region are really terrorists (and there seems to be no doubt about this), then it is not clear:
- why were they driving a compromised car?
- Why did everyone travel together?
- why did they move in the direction of the front line, which is not so easy to cross?

By the way, the direction of the retreat in itself rather testifies against the version of the involvement of the Ukrainian special services. According to the FSB, the terrorists had contacts on the Ukrainian side, but it is unclear at what level and with whom exactly. In general, going to Ukraine would be logical, even if it had nothing to do with it at the official level – the terrorists had the right to expect that Ukraine would not extradite them.

One way or another, the terrorists' retreat was orchestrated much worse than the terrorist attack itself. I will assume that the mercenary terrorists had to be destroyed by the customers after the action, and therefore they improvised…

One should not discount the possibility that some third forces are acting, wanting to intensify the conflict in Europe…

Dragon Gunner24 Mar 2024 5:51 a.m. PST

"- why were they driving a compromised car?"-Cuprum

They were idiots?

"- Why did everyone travel together?-"Cuprum"

They were idiots?

" why did they move in the direction of the front line, which is not so easy to cross?"-Cuprum

Perhaps they thought it would be the an escape route the FSB would be least likely to monitor? After an attack like this I would expect them to flee back to one of the "Stans". Maybe the only intelligent part of their escape plan was to pick an escape route the FSB would least expect?

As far as weapon handling they could have received a crash course or been prior service (basic training should give enough skill to operate an AK47). As far as planning someone else could have done this for them.

You do raise some interesting ideas thought Cuprum. Most ISIS nut jobs want to inflict as much death as possible and martyr themselves. This is the only thing that makes me question other possibilities.

14Bore24 Mar 2024 5:55 a.m. PST

I wouldn't put it past terrorists to find useful idiots to make a suicide run, and it at least takes true believers to do that.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa24 Mar 2024 6:01 a.m. PST

A lot of presumptions about terrorists – its not like ISIS-K hasn't been in the position to build its operatives skills nor the ability to recruit in area of the world that has seen near continual low level conflict for decades. And just because they are Islamic militants doesn't necessarily mean they come with suicide belts as standard – might even mean they probably thought the Russian security response would be sufficiently woefully they'd get away with it!

(And if they were Tajik nationals – that's a country with compulsory military service).

As for the guys picked up heading in the direction of Ukraine the only source we have is the Russian state – how many times over have they claimed to have shot down the Ukrainian air force now? And if you don't think is sus' just consider how many sabotage missions the Ukrainian's have pulled off in Russia and just how many times Russian security have actually picked people apparently trying to re-cross the border? And I'm not talking about cross-border operations here.

"Third forces" is just conspiratorial nonsense.

Nine pound round24 Mar 2024 6:27 a.m. PST

Russian sources are. already hinting that the warnings the Russians received from the US and UK before the attack indicate involvement, rather than an honest desire to share information that might help to avoid a pointless attack that would only harm innocent people.

Which tells you a lot, frankly.

korsun0 Supporting Member of TMP24 Mar 2024 6:37 a.m. PST

Irrespective of where the attack occurred, who did it etc., innocent people were killed. Manchester Arena was sad, Bataclan was sad, despite my personal beliefs about the war, this shooting is also sad. I am a touch surprised at the comments of some on this board.

Dragon Gunner24 Mar 2024 7:07 a.m. PST

"And just because they are Islamic militants doesn't necessarily mean they come with suicide belts as standard"-ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa

No they do not but the ones that go on this type of mission generally do not attempt to escape.

Dragon Gunner24 Mar 2024 7:13 a.m. PST

"the Russians received from the US and UK before the attack indicate involvement"- Nine pound round

The Russians are really reaching with their narrative and spin doctoring. If we set this up why would we warn them in advance? Come on Russia you can do better than that…

Cuprum224 Mar 2024 7:25 a.m. PST

Nine pound round, what kind of warnings were there? If this is information like: "ISIS terrorists are preparing a terrorist attack on the territory of the European part of Russia in March" – then the benefit of such information will be of little use…

By the way, Crocus City is formally located outside the city limits of Moscow. This is already a different jurisdiction. And even this fact was probably taken into account. In addition, the terrorists navigated the room quite freely, which suggests that they were somehow familiar with its layout in advance. Another nuance that speaks of excellent preparation for the terrorist attack.

Third force – nonsense? Look how new conflicts are actively breaking out one after another… What will happen if soon a terrorist attack occurs in Europe (in France, for example), in which some kind of "Russian trace" is discovered? How many steps will we have left before the destruction of European civilization (in this case, including Russia)? I would not so decisively dismiss such a possibility.

Swingfire24 Mar 2024 7:56 a.m. PST

@Ned Ludd

"Swingfire were you one of the members (i think you are) who were crying about the Palestinians celebrating 9/11?

Silly sausage."

@Ned Ludd: You apparently have a very long-standing grudge against me…decades long, it would seem. LOL (get an effing life, dude),

Considering I hadn't even posted in this thread, I choose to regard that as a summons lol

Honestly, you matter nothing to me, Ned Ludd.

You claim I cried about Palestinian support for 9/11.
I did cry that day, because I lost some dear friends.
But on the Internet? No, I seethed and I raged and I spoke truth … a concept obviously alien to you.

Silly sausage?
C'mon, Ned Ludd … you can insult me better than that…

nickinsomerset24 Mar 2024 8:37 a.m. PST

"What will happen if soon a terrorist attack occurs in Europe"

What like Russian Tourists murdering opposition and innocents in Salisbury, UK?

Tally Ho!

Swingfire24 Mar 2024 8:55 a.m. PST

Hush, Nick. They don't like the truth ,-)

Lilian24 Mar 2024 8:56 a.m. PST

"Russian trace"? as the stars of David painted in the walls of Paris or for example with two school teachers murdered and beheaded in France by Chechen-Ingush Islamist terrorists (supported at least morally by Turkey, another pseudo-"ally" of NATO, well-known asian muslim Trojan horse of the Islamism in Europe) and victimized for the first by the francophobic woke press in the United States as a poor guy killed by the French?

Ukrainians are unlikely, they already have a lot of problems. But the intelligence services of one of the Western countries is quite possible (France?).

The remains of Abdoullakh Anzorov were repatriated to Chechnya on December 5, 2020 after passing through Turkey. His burial took place the next day in his family's original village, Chalaji, in the Ourus-Martan district. His coffin is followed by some 200 people (a large number given the health context, the weather and the small population of the village) who carry him to the ground and celebrate him as the "lion of Islam". He even received a tribute from Mayor Salman Dabatchevitch Magamadov who declared about him: "he is a hero for the entire Islamic world". The village was cordoned off by the police to prevent too large a crowd from coming to attend the funeral. A few days before this funeral, a resident of Chalaji took the initiative of naming a street in his honor by affixing a metal plaque to the support of a gas pipe with the following inscription: "Street named after Abdoullakh Anzorov" .

In June 2021, his father Abouyezid declared in an interview with the Chechen media Kavkaz.Realii that he was "satisfied" that "his son left defending the honor of all Chechens and all Muslims in the world"
On September 22, 2021, the President of the Chechen Parliament Magomed Daudov asserts, in a video broadcast live on his Instagram account, that Abdoullakh Anzorov is a "young person, killed because he opposed the caricature of the Prophet » and "that he died in jihad".

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP24 Mar 2024 8:56 a.m. PST

Good photos … very interesting …

Legion 4, 28 thousand Chechens sent to the Ukrainian front. Of these, 13 thousand are volunteers. By the way, Chechen police special forces took part in the capture of the terrorists from Crocus City.

Yes, but those Chechens are not ISIS-K … ISIS-K is from A'stan. They are mostly Taliban that thought the Taliban were not radical enough. They may or may not have any ISIS from Iraq, Syria, etc. They may have some Foreign Fighters from other islamic nations, etc. joining their ranks. In their quest for a caliphate a second time. Which as we know will never happen.

The Chechen police that were involved in the capture of these terrorist did a good job. I laud their action. And I hate islamic terrorists with a passion.

However, Note – Chechen moslems are not the same as ISIS moslems … That is clear.

US Intel told Putin that there may be a terrorist attack in Russia. But as we know being former KGB, he does not trust the USA. This time to his and Russia's own folly …

But if the reports are true Putin is still blaming the Ukraine for this attack. There is no proof of that, AFAIK.
However, blaming the Ukraine plays into Putin's narrative and agenda. To bolster Russian support for the war in Ukraine, etc.

I don't know if Putin will send any Spec Ops, air/drone strikes, etc. to go after ISIS-K. US Intel and others believe Putin's priority is Ukraine. Not ISIS-K islamic terrorists.

However, I do laud how the Russians generally handle terrorists. And at times draconian methods, etc. islamic terrorist deserve nothing less.

Again, many in the USA, etc. now know as most likely that ISIS-K is again be going to go after the Infidels e.g. the USA, Europe(?), etc. As they said they would after the USA's A'stan withdrawal debacle. AQ said so too …

Again, this makes the US gov't sanctioned open border policy a doorway to many on the terrorist watchlist, etc. Many have already crossed secretly. No one knows who they are and where they are.

How many Americans will die from terrorist attacks along with the Chinese supplied drugs the cartels and gangs are bringing here ? As well as the criminals from mostly Central and South America who are sex traffickers, plus those that rob, rape, kill, etc. my fellow Americans.

As I have said before, the GWoT has and will continue …

Irrespective of where the attack occurred, who did it etc., innocent people were killed. Manchester Arena was sad, Bataclan was sad, despite my personal beliefs about the war, this shooting is also sad. I am a touch surprised at the comments of some on this board.
All that goes without saying. But again, the GWoT continues. Purposely targeting innocent non-combatants/civilians. And many die sadly. That is the way these islamic terrorists do things. That is the way they work. We all know that.

murdered and beheaded in France by Chechen-Ingush Islamist terrorists (supported at least morally by Turkey, another pseudo-"ally" of NATO, well-known asian muslim Trojan horse of the Islamism in Europe) and victimized for the first by the francophobic woke press in the United States as a poor guy killed by the French?
Lilian … I'm not sure where you actually stand on this ? But because the Turks, yes, they are in NATO have become less secular and more religious. Sometimes they seem to choose their religious beliefs over being part of NATO.

The US and NATO do not support islamic terrorism to any degree.

As far as the US media many of us here know how most are very biased, have a narrative, agenda, etc. They don't speak for many in the US. Including me …

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP24 Mar 2024 9:17 a.m. PST

"- Why did everyone travel together?-"Cuprum"

What?! Just because they're terrorists, that does not mean they are not Eco friendly! I'm sure they used an electric vehicle or a hybrid. Riding together allowed them to use the carpool lane. 😉

Prince Alberts Revenge24 Mar 2024 9:25 a.m. PST

The question I have, how was the response time what it was with a Rosgvardia base a 4.4km (9 minutes) drive away?

As for the terrorists attempting to escape, it wouldn't be the first time this has been an occurrence. The Boston Marathon bombings and Brussels Jewish Museum attacks being two instances that come to mind where the terrorists were apprehended after the fact.

SBminisguy24 Mar 2024 9:26 a.m. PST

"ISIS-K has been fixated on Russia for the past two years," Colin P. Clarke, a counterterrorism analyst at the Soufan Group, told The New York Times, noting that the terrorist group has focused on attacking Putin in propaganda videos. "ISIS-K accuses the Kremlin of having Muslim blood in its hands, referencing Moscow's interventions in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Syria.""

So….the rise of ISIS-K coincides with the start of the Ukraine War? Is this one of Victoria Nuland's "Nasty Surprises" she promised Russia? And why Russia anyway, since it's waaayyy out of ISIS-K's area of interest. And does this have a linked to the $2.6 USD BILLION the Biden Admin recently gave to the Taliban? It wasn't enough to hand the Taliban an historic victory and $80 USD BILLION in arms and infrastructure, the Biden Admin is still directly funding them!!!

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa24 Mar 2024 9:29 a.m. PST

No they do not but the ones that go on this type of mission generally do not attempt to escape.

So far… tactics and strategies for inflicting these kinds of atrocities may yet evolve. The target was on the outskirts of Moscow so it doesn't surprise me response times may be poor (probably the same story across a lot of the world). Russian national security feels porous atm… May be they honestly thought they could get away with it – may be they have! Having observed the media and public reaction to where a mobile shooter has escaped and gone on the run for an extended period. If I was a terrorist cell that extending of the period of heightened tension, uncertainty and fear is probably something worth channeling. Grim as **** I know but never underestimate the ability of elements of humanity to dial the definition of atrocity up another notch.

/edit
Apparently the theatre was only three miles away from a base of the OMON, Rosgvardiya.

Prince Alberts Revenge24 Mar 2024 10:10 a.m. PST

And does this have a linked to the $2.6 USD USD BILLION the Biden Admin recently gave to the Taliban?

Just for clarification, the Taliban and ISIS-K are not one and the same, they are enemies in fact. ISIS-K, as I recall, took responsibility for the attack on Kabul airport that killed more than 150 Afghan civilians and more than a dozen U.S. service members.

link

Prince Alberts Revenge24 Mar 2024 10:19 a.m. PST

And why Russia anyway, since it's waaayyy out of
ISIS-K's area of interest.

From what I understand, ISIS-K has struck at the Russian and Pakistani embassies in Afghanistan and has targeted Chinese nationals in Afghanistan because they see these countries as supporting their rival, the Taliban.

Recently Russia accepted a military attaché from the Taliban in Moscow and let's not forget the Russian conflicts in Chechnya, Dagestan, Syria, etc.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP24 Mar 2024 10:37 a.m. PST

Just for clarification, the Taliban and ISIS-K are not one and the same, they are enemies in fact.
Yes very true … The Taliban are "allied" with AQ and both fight ISIS-K. Hopefully they will continue to attrite each other.

And does this have a linked to the $2.6 USD USD USD BILLION the Biden Admin recently gave to the Taliban?
Again, more wasted $, IMO. Iran also has received billions of $ from the USA. More bad choices and skewed priorities, IMO. Do some in DC/WH believe that by giving $ to our enemies would make them like us ? 🦄🌈🍭

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa24 Mar 2024 10:49 a.m. PST

Has a relatively straight forward section on why ISIS-K may have a bit of thing about Russia…
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soledad24 Mar 2024 12:57 p.m. PST

It took the Rosgvairdia about 90 minutes to show up. When there have been demonstrations against the war they usually show up within minutes…

Guess it is easier to be brave when the opposition is unarmed demonstrators.

When there is shooting seems like the Rosgvardia dragged their feet… Effing Cowards.

Or they were told to take their time showing up…

Prince Alberts Revenge24 Mar 2024 1:30 p.m. PST

Saw some images of one of individuals the Russians captured, it appeared the captors had the wires from a field telephone connected to his genitals for electrocution purposes. I have to imagine most men would say anything to cease that method of interrogation.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP24 Mar 2024 5:33 p.m. PST

Question about the scape…. Who can decide to escape directly to the front line of a war in progress?… there are no "windows" in the middle of a war zone… on the Russian side you must pass all rear checkpoints and then directly access the combat zone where I don't think one take a single step before flying through the air… I have also read that they were trying to escape to Belarus… almost as ridiculous as what was said before… so… where the hell did those beasts want to escape to? (By the way… no mercy to any of them)…


Armand

Cuprum224 Mar 2024 5:37 p.m. PST

Lilian, there are Chechens – and there are other Chechens. The Russian army destroyed the Wahhabis and other radical Islamists. The rest fled abroad, including to France. Enjoy these "freedom fighters")))

Legion 4 Russians have lived in the same country with Muslims for hundreds of years – and mostly without any problems. But the Russians constantly have to fight radical Islamic extremists, and they have considerable experience in this. And they never support jihadists anywhere – we know that this infection is dangerous primarily for us.

Russian troops are still fighting terrorists in Syria (and, by the way, we are cooperating with the United States on this issue), although the intensity of the fight has now decreased significantly.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP24 Mar 2024 5:50 p.m. PST

Legion 4 Russians have lived in the same country with Muslims for hundreds of years – and mostly without any problems. But the Russians constantly have to fight radical Islamic extremists, and they have considerable experience in this. And they never support jihadists anywhere – we know that this infection is dangerous primarily for us.
Yes, I know that. However, it seems you don't understand that those Chechens in Russia are not the same type as ISIS-K.

All that one has to get is ISIS or ISIS-K are on a jihad to kill or enslave anyone who is not them. Remember the Yazidis in Iraq ? ISIS almost eliminated them a few years back. Just ask one if you can find one.

Enjoy these "freedom fighters"
IIRC France as one of the larger moslem populations in Europe. The number I had heard was 9% of France's population is moslem. Again, I'm not sure if that number is correct ? Seems a bit high ?

The USA's moslem population is around 1.4%, IIRC. Of course, the USA did not have overseas colonies with large moslem populations. And the USA is far from North Africa, the Mid East etc. E.g. after WWI France got Lebanon and Syria, etc. from the former Ottoman Turk Empire. Both primarily moslem countries …

Prince Alberts Revenge24 Mar 2024 6:21 p.m. PST

The question I have, how was the response time what it was with a Rosgvardia base a 4.4km (9 minutes) drive away?

To respond to my own question, there apparently is cell phone footage that indicates security personnel arrived on scene minutes after the attack but did not enter. Perhaps something similar to the hesitation of Uvalde shooting in Texas? If Rosvgardia or other security did arrive but didn't enter I wonder if it was a lack of training or some other hesitation that prevented them from entering and engaging.

Nine pound round24 Mar 2024 6:58 p.m. PST

Legion, Algeria was also a major source of Muslim migrants to France.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian24 Mar 2024 8:23 p.m. PST

why did they move in the direction of the front line, which is not so easy to cross?

But didn't Belarus issue a statement about preventing the terrorists from crossing THEIR border?

Also, wondering how the terrorists acquired guns only in use with the Russian military?

it appeared the captors had the wires from a field telephone connected to his genitals for electrocution purposes

There's reportedly a video of Russians cutting off the man's organ and shoving it in his mouth.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP24 Mar 2024 9:39 p.m. PST

Dear Legion… According to the latest Special Eurobarometer 493 (2019) the Muslim population in France is estimated to be 5% or 3.35 million. Pew Research Center predicts the Muslim population would rise to 8.6 million or 12.7 percent of the country in 2050 if immigration would be high…

Armand

Gunny B24 Mar 2024 11:44 p.m. PST

Thats a touch low Tango. I've not read a single report that mentions 5%. More like 8-9. Plus that doesn't factor in the untracked illegals. Although those numbers would not likely significantly affect the percentage. Yet.

'Muslims represented 10% of the French population in 2019 – 2020, according to figures by the national statistics bureau, Insee.'

soledad25 Mar 2024 2:51 a.m. PST

It seems like all involved have confessed. So it is a "wrap up". Russia have decided that these are the perpetrators and then they are, right or wrong.

They will confess whatever Russia wants them to confess. Torture does that to people. We all know the confessions aren't worth squat, but that is beside the point for Russia. If they say they did it, they did. It fits the Russian narrative.

No matter Russia will say "the west" and Ukraine are behind this. Most likely the perps will be tortured until they confess this. And then it will be communicated as "the truth"…

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa25 Mar 2024 5:42 a.m. PST

why did they move in the direction of the front line, which is not so easy to cross?

Its the closest exit point and I just heard a commentator indicate strongly that there are criminal smuggling gangs operating along the boarder – even if it does seem rather counter-intuitive. Does look like they may have been hired hands – not ideologically committed but also less likely to leave a footprint security services would pick up on – no period of radicalisation for a start. Fortunately probably not a technique that will work everywhere.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP25 Mar 2024 6:27 a.m. PST

As I said earlier, no matter the truth of who did it, both opponents will blame the other. Both of which are happening in the real world and in TMP. The truth is what one wants it to be.

Meanwhile the jihadi Muslims, are laughing at us all and preparing their next butchery of Christians somewhere else in the world.

Meanwhile no matter who the country is and promises made, NO ONE is safe from Islamic Jihad.

Subject: Houthis strike Chinese ship in Red Sea despite safe passage assurances


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On a side note, does not the war in Ukraine remind others of the Eastern front in WW2. Incompetent Russian forces initially beaten and forced back. The Ukrainians flush with their successes launching a new offensive the next year, but with little success against heavily entrenched Russians with masses of artillery. Followed by a slower but more successful offensive by the Russians.

Now Putin using all the current news announces the raising of 2 new Armies. Baring loses on the scale of WW1, there are just too many Russians for the population of the Ukraine.

"Russia, which has recruited hundreds of thousands of contract soldiers, will create two new armies and 30 formations including 14 divisions and 16 brigades, Shoigu said."

Subject: Russia says it is pushing Ukrainian forces back, will create two new armies | Reuters


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35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP25 Mar 2024 9:07 a.m. PST

Subject: Russia attack IS suspect force-fed own ear


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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP25 Mar 2024 9:22 a.m. PST

Legion, Algeria was also a major source of Muslim migrants to France.
Yes, France had colonies in Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia too. Again, IIRC, after WWI from the former Ottoman Empire.

Bill – I think a lot information has not been released… yet or may never be. Again we are dealing Putin and the Russians. They have never been forthcoming with accurate information.

Thanks Gents, for those updated figures of the moslem population in France. So based on that 9% may be a good estimate. But 10% may actually be more accurate ? Lilian you are French any more intel on this ?

No matter Russia will say "the west" and Ukraine are behind this. Most likely the perps will be tortured until they confess this. And then it will be communicated as "the truth"…
Bingo ! "Once KGB … always KGB." …


Its the closest exit point and I just heard a commentator indicate strongly that there are criminal smuggling gangs operating along the boarder
I would think since they didn't martyr themselves like many jihadis. They may have taken the closest "friendly" border. With possible assistance from criminals, etc. As we see in the USA criminals do smuggle people, drugs, etc. across our borders. Criminals will always find away … They are criminals after all. Laws do not apply to them …

In a report today it seems some nations in Europe are going on a higher alert status. As ISIS me strike again. As they and even AQ has said they would. From an MI POV, nations with higher moslem populations may particularly be as risk. E.g. Mao – to paraphrase – The insurgent must blend in, swim among the fishes. Note for the woke, etc. – That is not racists but a military and security reality.

But even that does not mean jihadis, etc. may not enter other nations or have sleeper cells, etc. E.g. again, as we see in the USA, which has a tiny moslem population. But in any event, all must have situational awareness. The criminal, terrorist/jihadi will take advantage of any weakness, any hole in the line, etc.

"Russia, which has recruited hundreds of thousands of contract soldiers, will create two new armies and 30 formations including 14 divisions and 16 brigades, Shoigu said.
That makes sense and really should be no surprise if true. Even Putin's pot may be running a little dry ? Heavy losses may be coming telling, eh Vlad ?

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa25 Mar 2024 9:37 a.m. PST

Well Putin is clearly bending the narrative around this attack to use it to energise and justify his attack on Ukraine. I assume he's hopping for a recruitment bounce on the back it to delay the increasingly inevitable general mobilisation.

The truth is what one wants it to be.

And there in is probably the slow death of the West that Salafists and authoritarians can only dream of.

Lilian25 Mar 2024 10:06 a.m. PST

after WWI France got Lebanon and Syria, etc. from the former Ottoman Turk Empire. Both primarily moslem countries …
(…)
Yes, France had colonies in Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia too. Again, IIRC, after WWI from the former Ottoman Empire.

Thanks Gents, for those updated figures of the moslem population in France. So based on that 9% may be a good estimate. But 10% may actually be more accurate ? Lilian you are French any more intel on this ?


none of these countries were colonies, Algeria was something like a further territory part of metropolitan France, Morocco and Tunisia were not colonies but autonomous States under protectorates and even French-Spanish protectorates for he first
LEBANON was precisely the only ARAB country with a CHRISTIAN majority until the civil war, they are probably reduced to only one third today

racial ethnic census and investigations as exist in others countries are forbidden by the laws in France, and even perceived very negatively as nothing more than a racist policy by the Public Opinion, the same for religious ones who are even abandoned since 1872, nothing less than as an intolerable intrusion into privacy and personal datas, a much more highly sensitive area in the french society than in the anglo-saxon ones, so the statistics appearing here "5" "6" "9" "10" % are estimates coming from the biais of their so-called oriental names or origins…whether if they are "real" or not muslims

but given Russia is their new friend and if they are consistents with themselves, we hope to see the next waves of migrants to reach Russia instead to come in the hatred Western World France friend of Israël etc, Putin needs recruits for his long war
when I think to all the soldiers, help and money lost against theirs djihadists in Africa, one day calling the help of the French Army, another celebrating her as liberators, the third as occupiers, and the fourth making a mass grave with Wagner war criminals in order to explain that the French soldiers are killing the poors africans,
so good luck to the Russians with them and Bon Débarras
better to welcome and support gratefuls Ukrainians and Armenians than Malians and Algerians with their failed states between islamism and socialism since 1960 and their past Soviet Russian Cuban East Germans advisors and tankists where all is the fault of France and the Western World but still enough good to receive them despite that

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP25 Mar 2024 6:34 p.m. PST

none of these countries were colonies, Algeria was something like a further territory part of metropolitan France, Morocco and Tunisia were not colonies but autonomous States under protectorates and even French-Spanish protectorates for he first
I did not know that, I thought they were colonies. I stand corrected.

LEBANON was precisely the only ARAB country with a CHRISTIAN majority until the civil war, they are probably reduced to only one third today
I did know that. There are a number Lebanese Christians living where I live.

more highly sensitive area in the french society than in the anglo-saxon ones, so the statistics appearing here "5" "6" "9" "10" % are estimates coming from the biais of their so-called oriental names or origins…whether if they are "real" or not muslims
I did not know that either. E.g. In the US Census IIRC it covers ethnicity, religion, etc. But I think if you don't want to give that information you don't have to ? So, in France you don't know numbers of its citizens, in the details that we do in the USA. Of course, if that is the way things are done in France, it is a free and sovereign nation it can do things the way they see fit.

Your last paragraph, I knew some of that as well as agree with parts of it. Thank you for schooling me … My study of France is primarily from a military history aspect. I find that very interesting.

I did have some dealings briefly with some FFL Officers who were liaison, etc. to the US Army. They seemed like pretty good soldiers to me. 2 were FFL Paras. And 1 was with the 1st FFL Regiment, if I remember correctly.

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