"US Vulnerability to an Oct 7 style attack" Topic

It seems like the US has opened itself up to the potential of a massive Oct 7 type terror attack on its own soil because of the sustained flow of illegal aliens across the open southern border.

What would this look like, and how would the US respond??

30,000 migrants with possible ties to terrorism or other ‘nefarious activity' released into US: Report

More than 30,000 migrants with possible ties to terrorism or other "nefarious activity" were released into the United States in the last 15 months, according to data obtained by the Daily Caller News Foundation.

Customs and Border Protection data reviewed by the news outlet revealed that Border Patrol agents logged 20,287 encounters with special interest aliens in fiscal year 2023 and another 12,114 so far in fiscal year 2024.

The Department of Homeland Security's Lexicon Terms and Definitions described SIAs as a "foreign national originating from a country (determined by individual Components) identified as having possible or established links to terrorism."

A 2019 archived webpage from the DHS website explains that migrants could be labeled SIAs "based on an analysis of travel patterns" that are "known or evaluated to possibly have a nexus to terrorism."

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I wrote a paper adjacent to this topic in graduate school. A seaborne attack from a container ship has all kinds of possibilities for a ground assault and/or a dirty bomb.

We rely heavily on the intelligence community because so much of the US is a soft target.

Well as we see with the gov't sanctioned open border and I forget how many on the Terrorists Watch List have been caught. But what about the ones that were not captured?

Don't know if they could do an 07 Oct 2023 in the US. But all they have to do is steal or rent a car. And start running over people on the sidewalks, etc.

Yes, I agree 79th. There are too many ways to get here. The southern border is on the rise as a terrorist entry point, probably not the main one yet. The southern border is a massive issue re fentanyl,all kinds of criminals, etc.A disaster, but not very handy for pros, maybe.

But most terrorists have been caught at the airports,traditionally. And our ports are huge, endless shipping containers. . A terrorist crew with gear might see that as a much better way to bring in an organized group of attackers.

"Rely so much on the intelligence community," boy, hard to find a phrase that's scarier than that.

The infiltration is ongoing, and it's enormous. A year, year and a half ago, my son's scout troop was camping on the AT and we talked to a guy who was thru-hiking, and he told us about groups of people arriving in campsites late at night and departing before morning. "Probably coyotes," and we are in PA. It's organized infiltration, and it's not just happening under the government's nose, they're abetting it- both parties, making hay out of it in their different ways.

I thought there would be a reckoning after 9/11, but there never was. The guilty covered their tracks, we killed a few terrorists, and that was that. Personally, if we got hit with something like that, I would hope we removed a portion of the earth's crust somewhere, consequences be d****d, but we probably won't. Our government doesn't car to protect us, and it has forgotten how to fight a war.

A cynical viewpoint, Nine pound round, but I can't disagree with you.

I've never been persuaded that many of our domestic counterterrorism measures were successful, although there is some merit to the idea that Iraq and A-Stan sucked up and ground up a lot of the people who would potentially attack us here. But now those are done, and if a state wanted to organize Oct 7-style "kill teams," they could be infiltrated across the border without too much trouble, and I'm not at all sure we'd see it coming. And if the sole aim is, as it was in Israel, to kill as many people as possible in as short a time as possible, without trying to get the killers out alive, it could be pretty awful, and very disruptive.

Does the public have any way to know or measure any of this? Assuming we leave out our own vast intelligence community out as a source, since the implication here is that it's not credible, then what? Are we making unsupported assumptions or do we have data indicators that are trustworthy and can be used to support the argument that we are undergoing increased infiltration or are extra vulnerable to organized terror attack teams?

I hate to even talk about this and maybe jinx us, since it seemed like we have down pretty well since 9/11 in avoiding another large scaled heavily coordinated attack. But perhaps not everyone believes that?

As long as the border is open there is the possibility of terrorists coming across. As we see many have been captured. But how many were got-aways ?

If the US leaders were serious about protecting "we the people". The border would have been shut down a long time ago. Not only to protect the US citizenry from terrorists but from all the other criminals of various types streaming across the border. As well as the biggest killers of Americans the drugs supplied by the PRC/CCP brought across the border by cartels.

So, do not all those dead Americans count ? Or those that are sex trafficked, sold to work as slave labor in factories, or even sold for body parts, etc. ?

This crisis does not affect those making these decisions. When was the last time did any of their kin died from this avoidable self-imposed tragedy ?

See Schlichtor's book, just out. Horrifying danger.

The Attack Kindle Edition
by Kurt Schlichter (Author)

Hundreds of cells of jihadis attack schools first day, then residential areas second day, then infrastructure third day. Kill a hundred thousand Americans.

Better pray it is fiction.

The problem, Tort, is that the enemy only have to get it right once.

And my faith in experts is pretty low.

Reminds me of the pre-Great War invasion literature in the UK. 90k German waiters, each with a rifle under their bed, just awaiting orders to rise up..

With 90k deaths from drugs supplied from the South, do they need to actually invade? They seem to be winning the war already… :(

Did I not get the point here? SB, were you talking about a well planned and equipped para-military force, trained and representing an organized terrorist organization. "A massive Oct 7 type terror attack"

The US illegal drug trade has manufacturers, suppliers and millions of customers, as it has for decades. The crack crisis went on for years, destroying lives and families. It began with a surplus of Colombian coke, coming in through places like Miami being converted into cheaper crack. Then came meth…which comes from places like Michigan, New York, Indiana, Tennessee. Tens of thousands have died. We have cycled through one substance after another. Nobody forces you to buy this @#$&. I have a hard time relating this to October 7.

Doc, our enemies did get it right one time – 9/11. And a lot changed. My faith in non-experts is not very high either. Hard to know what to believe.

Well these costs would not have been incurred

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I don't believe it's a terribly effective system. Don't you think if we were thwarting attacks, there would be some tangible evidence of it? Trials, maybe, or at least agency heads boasting of it to Congress, in the hopes of getting more staff and a promotion?

No, I suspect the real reason we aren't seeing it is because it hasn't happened yet. And it probably hasn't happened since 9/11 because it's likely state-controlled, and so meant to be used to accomplish some end- to distract, to deflect, or to serve some asymmetric strategic purpose as part of a larger plan.

There is a fair amount of data on attacks stopped, but since we are not buying government claims we are basically in the dark. The Heritage Foundation is a right wing think tank and they say 60. Most sources say more. But it also depends on your what politics say is considered or not considered a terrorist attack. Probably are a number of success stories. But no trusted source for many.

Those costs should have gone into security, 35th, as I think we agree.

But this came from the House Judiciary Committee. I would want it fact checked – I have my own concerns about credibility….Just as many of you do for other agencies and leaders. It's a sign of the times, I guesss.

Will we notice or chalk up to just another mass shooting at the mall, church, grade school, high school, college, parade, concert, grocery store…?

Good question…..

We don't know how many terrorist cells are here now. I hope the FBI, CIA, etc. do. We have to be right every time … they only have to be right once … again …

Case in point

Subject: Libs of TikTok on X: "BREAKING: Denver Mayor Mike Johnston (D) announces cuts in services at the DMV and Park & Recs to free up more resources for illegals. He warns there will be more cuts coming. He blames Republicans for his decision to cut services to Denver residents. Democrats made Denver a… t.co/s56nkSn7OZ / X


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There are high level US politicians who want to disband the FBI., who have dismissed all our intel agencies. But again, once we decide not to believe our own people and publicly discredit them, we are in trouble.

35th, I am not disagreeing with you except in that the OP is asking about the Hamas attacks of Oct 7. By definition this must mean the coordinated infiltration of trained para military fighters to execute specific terrorist attacks in the US. I do not think it is safe to keep defaulting to the mess in Texas as the only origin of these threats. Most Americans want it fixed, but apparently not all this year.

We need to be smart, strong, cyber heavy to defend Oct.7 type attacks. We need to be united to solve the southern border crisis.

Just 2 counties away from me. Wasn't it over 24,000 Chinese nationals we said have crossed our borders… that we know of?

"He said the FBI director warned that:

Terror threats are at an unprecedented level against the U.S., even compared to the weeks leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, since Hamas' attack on Israel last fall. These are remarks Wray made at a Senate committee hearing last year.
Chinese hackers are ready to "wreak havoc" on critical US infrastructure such as American water treatment plants, electrical grids, oil and natural gas pipelines and transportation systems to disrupt our daily lives if the U.S. and China ever go to war. Wray first publicly revealed this last week in a U.S. House committee hearing along with:
There's been far too little public focus on a cyber threat that affects every single American.
China's hacking force outnumbers FBI cyber and intelligence analysts "at least 50-to-1.""

"Sheriff Jones says local first responders including law enforcement will be the front-line defense for attacks on U.S. soil just like it was on Sept. 11, 2001.

Some of those who want to harm us are already living among us and the military and National Guard can't just be instantly activated, he said."

Subject: Butler County sheriff changes how it arms, trains deputies after FBI director's ominous warning


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Exactly! As bad as the southern border is security-wise, these other threats are just as serious. There are a lot of ways into the US, we have been infiltrated for years because is has never been hard for a foreign agent to gain entry as a student or in some other guise, and the threat of cyber warfare is changing everything. As much as I dont want to live in a police state and watch refugee families being hauled away as a normal part of life, I think we can find a middle ground based on security first. Cause we sure don't want skilled para military fighters popping up everywhere.

We just need to make sure there are signs outside every school saying "No guns allowed." Of course the signs need to be large enough, and in Spanish and Arabic and Farsi and Mandarin as well as English.

Oh, and we need to make sure that every illegal crossing the border can READ.

Tort I know we agree that this is a problem. I am placing information out for all to read and with the possibility that they are not familiar with it.

I think we may disagree as to a solution.

I believe the borders should be closed to illegal immigration, until further notice.

We should increase the amount of legal immigration, but for those with a skill needed currently in the country. In other words, they can immediately use that skill for gainful employment.

Any illegal here, who commits a crime, is forced to leave the country, that includes their wife and children, if any.

Any illegal who is still on the public dole over 1 year and has held no employment for longer than 3 months (yes the military is an option), is sent back, family and all. In other words, you must be a contributing member of society.

If you are illegal and are caught voting in a national election you will be deported.

If you are here illegally, and you advocate for the downfall of the US form of government, you should be immediately deported

For those who think we can continue to afford all that is going on, without a reckoning, watch this for a week. Also ask yourself who owns this debt.

Subject: U.S. National Debt Clock 2027


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Now ask: how many of these people would still be alive, or not have been injured and or robbed, if not for illegal immigration?

I've got pages like these, if you want more. But hopefully this is enough.

Subject: Iranian Woman Stabbed Man in Revenge for Soleimani Killing – PJ Media

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Subject: Previously Deported Illegal Alien Indicted for Allegedly Murdering, Dismembering Woman and Her Son

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Subject: New York's Illegal Alien Compounds Exposed: Stabbings, Drugs, Deaths… | ZeroHedge

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Subject: NYPD arrests teen migrant as suspect in Times Square shooting that injured tourist

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Subject: Texas illegal immigrant indicted on capital murder charge in cheerleader's beating, stabbing death | Fox News

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Subject: New York's Illegal Alien Compounds Exposed: Stabbings, Drugs, Deaths… | ZeroHedge

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Subject: Migrant moped crew busted after stealing cellphones right out of New Yorkers' hands: sources

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Subject: The OTHER border crisis: New Jersey-based smuggling gang run by illegal immigrants has helped dozens sneak into US from CANADA for $6,000 USD a head – amid 500% surge in crossings at northern frontier | Daily Mail Online

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Subject: The deadly Venezuelan gangster INVASION: Inside the chilling Miami 'honeytrap' murder plot by migrant mobsters that should finally wake up liberal America to Biden's broken border fiasco | Daily Mail Online

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Subject: NYC to hand out prepaid credit cards to migrant families for food

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Subject: Migrants who attacked NYPD officers in Times Squares fled to California | Fox News

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Subject: Biden Admin-Released Migrant Crime Wave Sweeping Sanctuary Cities

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Subject: Francesco Franco on X: "Colorado Mother of three and 16yo son were killed last week by a four time deported illegal alien named Jose Guadalupe Menjivar-Alas. He was deported in 2009, 2010, 2012 and 2015 before sneaking back in thru our Southern Border last year. Joe Biden is directly responsible. t.co/9EGD2L8BcC / X

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So to bring all this back to ultramodern. Is all I have listed above, leading to the eventual downfall of the United States, similar to that of Rome. Especially if these millions and millions never assimilate?

Okay, here goes! Opinions galore!

We are not as far apart as you may think, could likely meet in the middle. Any immigration reform has to start with locking down the border except to legal entry. The criminal aspect of this has to be controlled – you collection of examples makes that clear.

There will be huge costs for this, for efficient processing, for deportation, etc. We will need a Congress that is able to legislate, compromise, lead. All of our immigration waves have assimilated, and we have assimilated to them at times. But in general,immigration should fall under some legal limits while we take a decade maybe to set up a real system. Again, this will require skilled governance, legislation, debate and compromise. Not happening for now.

Rome – developed several problems we don't have -yet. They had skilled, organized military enemies on their doorstep. We are stronger militarily than our enemies. But Rome paid a ton of money for defense – like us. Their economy slowly tanked under the weight of spending, like ours could eventually do, but for now we are the strongest economy in the world.

Rome was overly dependent on slave labor. We have utilized illegal immigrants as a massive underpaid labor force, including child labor, for years to push profits that are under taxed. Wealth transference does not trickle down very much. It sort of disappears as far as most of us are concerned.

The question of who will pick the tomatoes is part of immigration reform, but maybe not be for all that long. Our tech, science, innovation skills are as good as anyone's. The future is also full of positive possibilities. We are on the verge of being self sufficient in many things, unlike Rome.

Does diversity destroy us or make us unbeatable in the end? We look like Rome in many ways. But we have not hit their downhill trajectory into collapse, just some of the bumps. Yet.

Tort as always, you are the optimist to my pessimism. 😉 as always, take care.

As I tell friends

Some see the glass as half empty
Some see the glass as half full.

I see the glass as broken and the water all over the floor. 😉

Tort, yes, I agree with almost all of that.

Just saw a meme that said, if immigrants make US stronger, why don't they just make their home countries stronger?

Well, the answer might be freedom. For a while yet.

As a moderate, my glass remains half full at all times!😉 You can always grab another glass…cause sometimes the glass does drop…

Doc you have it, the one thing we can always all agree on, the self evident truths…. People want to be Americans. We must keep getting something right….

Tortella – your logic follows in SoF fiction.

In SoF Mag Presents No 18 "A Hunger for Heroes", if memory serves President Bad Ass turns illegals into an anti-totalitarian invasion force through use of tooth care and good eatin.

Using the force of loyal wannabe Americans President Bad Ass overthrows every Commie dictatorship on the planet without Congressional approval.

Totally BAD ASS. Why can't modern American leaders read A Hunger for Heroes?

Ah, but it sounds like President BA turns totalitarian himself! No Congress? Is there such a thing as an "anti totalitarian invasion force"? I think that's what Putin told us before invading Ukraine!

But dental care is good. Lack of dental care can drive many other health issues. Let's take up "good eatin" after the Super Bowl!

Given the utterances of a presidential hopeful, I wouldn't count on many allies joining your next war on terror.

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! "The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one…"

Given the utterances of a presidential hopeful, I wouldn't count on many allies joining your next war on terror.

The Global war on islamic terrorism have never stopped. The US has 1000 Troops in Syria and 2500 in Iraq. They are primary there to keep watch on ISIS.
We also have troops if Africa hunting islamic terrorists too. And probably in a number of other places that are classified.

another result of the open border

Subject: Officials: Mexican drug cartel targets Native American reservations with fentanyl – YouTube


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I place this out because it has actual numbers and the numbers speak for themselves

Subject: KanekoaTheGreat on X: "🚨WATCH: America's illegal immigration crisis is shattering century-old records with alarming numbers. 2023: 3,201,144 2022: 2,766,582 2021: 1,956,519 2020: 405,036 2019: 859,501 2018: 404,142 2017: 310,531 2016: 415,816 2015: 337,117 2014: 486,651 2013: 420,789 2012: 364,768… t.co/9NGhmmnlf6 / X

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I think Venezuela has had the second largest refugee crisis in world for several years now. Before that it had the largest mass migration in modern history. We talk about failed states, but it really is not even that now.

The Northern Triangle is the poorest region in the western hemisphere, also setting historic records. I stumbled on some of this while looking at crime and murder rates, which have begun to decline in these regions. But this is because they were already highest in world, and people are fleeing in droves, reducing possible victims. Perhaps a dozen countries in various states of collapse.

This is where the issue of numbers began, but is it where part of the solution is?

The first thing to do is secure our border, get locked down except to legal immigrants, normalize stability. . From this is there any way to address the mess in these collapsed societies as part of the long term solution?

Australia eventually locked down its boat people problem and the left wing party eventually agreed we should close our borders to illegals.

However, what has replaced it is massive legal immigration. The highest ever with 450,000 a year (Australia has a pop of 26 mil so the equivalent of 6 million new migrants to the US each year.). That's a new Canberra every 365 days. At least we theoretically know who's a criminal but the High Court just recently let hundreds of migrant felons who were held in detention go free in the streets.

So there are many ways to collapse a Western democracy, Australia's leaders are just doing it in a different way.

It's actually really interesting with the numbers. About 1 million legal migrants are allowed to settle in the US each year and about 6 million are coming in a year illegally, so the rate of immigration is actually around the same as Australia's.

I guess some Marxist decided this was the rate needed to undermine a succesful society successfully.

MilEFE3030 + 1 On both posts.

From my POV, they only way to stop the destruction of the USA is and possibility Western Civilization. Is to close the Southern border tight. And start mass deportations, with the priority being military age males and, in some cases, younger. Hard core criminals like rapists, murderers, etc. should be sent to Gitmo. "Do not pass go do not collect $200 USD"

The priority of military age males should be from the PRC/CCP. Many are agents, spies, etc. as the CCP normally does not let that many people leave their country without some assist from the PRC/CCP leadership.

Many of those from Mexico, Central & South America as they work of Cartels, gangs, etc. Or just send the known hardened criminals to Gitmo.

And of course, any military age males from nations who many islamic terrorists come from. E.g. Iran, A'stan, Syria, Yemen, etc.

MiEIF and Legion +1

Just remember: "Bread & Circuses". 😉

Just watch the video.

Subject: Wall Street Silver on X: "Illegal Migrants Talk About 2024 Election: t.co/kKbp1yL1s5 / X

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There is no such thing as a successful Marxist society.

But Legion, what happens after we lock down and things become more stable? There are a dozen major areas in the world where millions of people are on the move, mostly fleeing starvation, war, oppressive governments, etc. People have always migrated and blended cultures. They will take us at our word and want to live here. They have seen the Statue, unless somebody took that one down…

We have assimilated immigration waves in the past from Ireland,Germany, Italy, etc. if we build a real wall that works, are we not going to peak over the top once in a while?
I honestly don't know. I just see this issue as far bigger than the current POTUS vs the previous one. Somehow we have gone from fixing to blaming when there is hard work to take on…

Tort and the answer to that is, higher legal immigration, of those who bring skills needed and necessary. All going through "legal" methodologies.

This will sound cold, but our ancestors suffered to create and better their own nation. We have only been around a short time in comparison to most. It is far past the time for others to rise up and better their own. The five Horsemen of the Apocalypse have been around since mankinds inception.

Let Mexicans reclaim Mexico. Venezuelans reclaim Venezuela. Syrians reclaim Syria. Chinese reclaim China (actually I don't believe the last come here to better themselves). Etc. Etc.

Yes I know, cold and heartless on my part.

We must know who we are allowing in, and we must control the numbers. That is simple common sense.

Seems as of late … common sense it uncommon …

Again, what did they think was going to happen with Gov't a sanctioned open border ?!?!?

Immigration is fine, but we need limits, and it is extraordinary that a claim like "and it should be legally controlled" is regarded in many quarters as tantamount to unrepentant fascism.

Aside from the immigrants themselves, the biggest beneficiaries of mass immigration are employers: mass immigration loosens up the traditionally tight labor market. That's great for the 401K class, but at the lower income and educational brackets, that translates into more competition for a job, and lower wages. You can tell a lot about a person these days by how they react to an analysis like that. You'd be amazed how often people with college degrees , comfortable pensions, or indoor jobs react with, "oh well, they should work harder then."

It's no wonder there's economic populism. The wonder is that something worse hasn't happened.

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