Tango01  | 30 Jan 2024 5:27 p.m. PST |
… recovering from bad situations?
"I remember Fengtian warlord Zhang Zuolin (who's reputation as a leader was ruined) avenging his defeat in the First Zhili-Fengtian war by getting a victory over the Zhili clique in the second war. After being patient and rearming himself with planes and tanks while waiting for two years to pass that is. I don't remember the full story of Liu Bang but he was supposed to have swallowed his pride momentarily when assigned to Bashu which was a remote area, but waited patiently and then built up his forces which then led to him finally becoming emperor of the Han dynasty. Temujin's situation was pretty bad during the early part of his life but we know what happened during the later part of his life…"
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| Perris0707 | 30 Jan 2024 6:47 p.m. PST |
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| Dschebe | 30 Jan 2024 10:44 p.m. PST |
Heraclius (well, first time recovered, not the second time)
Alfred the Great |
| Kevin C | 31 Jan 2024 6:00 a.m. PST |
I agree with Perris0707 -- it's tough to find a better example than Churchill. |
| Eumelus | 31 Jan 2024 7:24 a.m. PST |
Tokugawa Ieyasu was given up as a hostage by his clan at age 6; as leader of his clan he subordinated himself first to Oda Nobunaga and subsequently to Toyotomi Hideyoshi. But time and talent triumphed over all, and Ieyasu emerged sole and undisputed Shogun by the end of his life. |
| Dagwood | 31 Jan 2024 8:57 a.m. PST |
Alfred the Great and Robert Bruce |
| Grattan54 | 31 Jan 2024 11:24 a.m. PST |
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| Tango01 | 31 Jan 2024 3:17 p.m. PST |
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| 35thOVI | 31 Jan 2024 3:58 p.m. PST |
🤔 Would Julius Caesar and the Pirates count. |
| Squash at home | 31 Jan 2024 9:36 p.m. PST |
Caesar, yes.
The pirates, no. |
| 35thOVI | 01 Feb 2024 5:05 a.m. PST |
He was captured by pirates. He was released (for money). Then came back and destroyed them. So Caesar, yes |
| arthur1815 | 01 Feb 2024 7:52 a.m. PST |
Frederick II of Prussia who left the battlefield of Mollwitz thinking the day was lost. |
| 35thOVI | 01 Feb 2024 8:29 a.m. PST |
🤔 One might place George Washington in this category as well, possibly multiple times. |
| Tango01 | 01 Feb 2024 3:40 p.m. PST |
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| Cke1st | 03 Feb 2024 8:10 p.m. PST |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but General Giap lost most of his battles against the Americans in Vietnam, but still won the war. |
| tansteel | 22 Feb 2024 9:22 p.m. PST |
King Goujian of Yue, during the Chinese Warring States period. Defeated in battle by King Fuchai of Wu, and became the Wu King's servant/slave for many years. After being released, he returned home, raised an Army and eventually conquered Wu. |
| Tango01 | 23 Feb 2024 4:17 p.m. PST |
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