| The Last Conformist | 30 Jan 2024 12:28 a.m. PST |
Unless I dreamt it, I once read or skimmed (most probably in electronic form) a set of rules for Jutland – indubitably useable for other battles of the era, but I believe Jutland was the focus – with the quirk that individual capital ships were effectively hitpoints for squadrons. As it took hits a squadron would lose ships, and I believe each ship lost reduced the squadron's firepower, but all movement was by squadron, and shooting was by squadron at squadron. Not sure if smaller ships were represented at all. Anyone know what this may have been? |
| colkitto | 30 Jan 2024 2:34 a.m. PST |
Phil Dunn's Fury at Sea? Or the excellent One Hour Jutland variant (where a capital ship is a squadron with 15 points, so each side has about 5 models, including smaller stuff)? |
 Old Contemptible  | 30 Jan 2024 2:38 a.m. PST |
Avalon Hill's "Jutland" board game? link |
| colkitto | 30 Jan 2024 4:06 p.m. PST |
I have vague memories of two sets of rules on the Web, one of which might fit – Der Tag (not the solitaire boardgame) or There's Something Wrong With Our Bloody Ships Today (which was designed for 1/5000 ships, whatever they were, and might have been by Staines Wargamers if that's any help). |
| NCC1717 | 30 Jan 2024 6:47 p.m. PST |
Sounds like "Jutland: Duel of the Dreadnoughts" published by Command Magazine in the Jan-Feb 1991 issue. link |
| The Last Conformist | 31 Jan 2024 2:55 a.m. PST |
Thanks for the replies :) I'm fairly sure it was a minis game, not a hex'n'counter, so AH Justland and Duel of the Dreadnoughts are not it. From a review I can't figure out if Der Tag is played on a grid or not, but it's got counters, so probably not that either. Fury at Sea may perhaps be it, but the preview at Amazon doesn't stretch into the actual rules, so hard to tell. The only game called There's Something Wrong With Our Bloody Ships Today I found on google appears to be a spaceship game. |
| colkitto | 31 Jan 2024 3:57 a.m. PST |
The latter seems to have left only a trace: TMP link link There may be several Der Tags. The one I remember was just a set of rules, not with counters and not squared I think – but I am afraid I haven't got it to hand and it may well not be what you are looking for. |
| The Last Conformist | 31 Jan 2024 12:26 p.m. PST |
Thanks again. As a minis game that used to be freely available online, TSWWOBST may well be the likeliest candidate. From what you can tell at that TMP link, individual ships had more independence gunnery-wise than I seem to recall, but movement is by squadron. |
| dragon6 | 01 Feb 2024 3:51 p.m. PST |
The Avalon Hill Jutland had double size ship counters for capital ships with over head and square counters for destroyers and small cruisers with black silhouettes Lots games with those. |
| Ando W | 20 Feb 2024 10:56 p.m. PST |
You may be looking for a set of rules called "Fifteen Minute Jutland", which are just as you described TLC. These were published in 1990 in Miniature Wargames magazine no. 89. Not sure where you would find a copy though… |
| The Last Conformist | 21 Feb 2024 3:07 a.m. PST |
Thank you. Used copies seem to be in relatively plentiful supply on the Web. |
| The Last Conformist | 23 Mar 2024 1:10 a.m. PST |
Four weeks into a promised two week delivery time, a used copy of MW#89 from eBay dropped into the postbox yesterday. I don't think these are the rules I recall, but seem interesting anyway, so thank you again :) |
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