"how to prepare for the next civil war" Topic

"35th, I don't think pardons can be issued without an admission of guilt, or maybe it's that a pardon is considered an admission of guilt. Instead of delaying going to trials, why not go to court and prove they are witch-hunts? That would expose the rot in the system in its own home court. The power of being innocent and proving it goes a long way in restoring faith in someone in my book."

🤔 ok… we change the venue of all trails. Locations where we can actually have fair trials and not in cities that are blue strongholds. Those judging must be half Trump voters and half non-Trump. That would be a fair trial. NY was a travisty as would be DC. Would be like trying the POTUS for Chinese and Ukrainian collusion and graft in some cities around me.

I'd volunteer for that jury! I mean how could you ask for a more unbiased juror than me? 😉

How on earth is an agency with the FBI's record to be trusted to investigate this thing?

"How on earth is an agency with the FBI's record to be trusted to investigate this thing?"

Yes I would agree with that, based on falsehoods they have propagated in the last years.

"Investigators have found no evidence of a particular ideology, which the FBI believes is notable, and nobody in interviews reported Crooks discussing politics."

Hmm, I posted one earlier that cast doubts on that being correct, by a schoolmate.

Subject: Jacqui Heinrich on X: "🚨NEWS: Fox has learned that Senators were told in the all-member briefing today that Thomas Crooks wrote on a gaming platform called ‘Steam', "July 13 will be my premiere, watch as it unfolds" When investigators reviewed the laptop, they found a few searches in July of: Trump," / X


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Assassin ', "July 13 will be my premiere, watch as it unfolds"

Newest fed theory

Subject: Susan Crabtree on X: "IMPORTANT SECRET SERVICE DEVELOPMENT: I just talked to a well-positioned source in the Secret Service community who confirmed reports of agency intelligence gathering that supports a theory that rally shooter Thomas Crooks was likely planning to take out people in the crowd in a" / X


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As to above post:

"Once you define it as a mass shooting, and not a presidential assassination, now it can be framed as 'Guns Are Bad' instead of 'we are the most incompetent agency in the history of the Secret Service.'"

Yes, the FBI needs new leadership, like the DOJ[and even the Secret Service], they are all more like political tools. Justice is supposed to be blind, not with one polarized seeing eye open …

We have many examples of that in the past few years … 'nuff said …

35th, I don't think that the schoolmate's vague recollection carries much weight by itself. No ideology in the remark.. Hindsight is bringing more things together, as it often does, but so far this kid does not seem like an overt radical to me.

The FBI is very much a mixed bag, IMO. They are not the stuff of tv shows, but they can do a good job. On the other hand they have been misused for political reasons and just plain old power grabs since their earliest days. They cannot satisfy anyone on the right in my opinion when it comes to this case.

So what agency does anyone still believe in? ATF? Homeland? This is a huge investigation with hundreds of people and millions of dollars involved. There are many more events coming along….

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just sent this letter to FBI Director Wray -- highlighting that the committee has talked to whistleblowers about security failures at the rally.

👀Take a look at the section in the letter referring to Special Agent in Charge of the Pittsburg Field Office Tim Burke and what he says about the meetings before the rally about how they were focused on staffing dual events in the Pittsburg area -- Trump's rally in Butler and Jill Biden's dinner that night in Pittsburg. The NATO summit was putting pinch on the overall Secret Service resources -- not to mention that Kamala Harris had an event in Philly the same day.

I reported Sunday that the Secret Service diverted resources from the Trump rally to the Jill Biden event. My Secret Service sources used the word "diverted" with me. That was rightfully a focus. I believe, from my reporting, there was a resources-allocation issue between the Trump rally and the Jill Biden dinner in the Pittsburg area on the same day, exacerbated by resources needed for the NATO summit and prep for the RNC convention.

Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi has said the resources were not "diverted" from the Trump rally to the Jill Biden dinner -- but is it a semantics issue? Were they allocated in a lopsided or inappropriate way that was not threat-based -- because Trump clearly has more threats facing him than Jill Biden. Did some Secret Service agents advocate for more resources for Trump but did not win that argument and some of those resources they asked for instead went to Jill Biden's dinner?

That is just one aspect the committee needs to drill down on.

I continue to stand by my reporting.

Here's a highlight of the key graphs in the Jim Jordan letter, below."

Subject: Susan Crabtree on X: "🚨@JudiciaryGOP just sent this letter to FBI Director Wray -- highlighting that the committee has talked to whistleblowers about security failures at the rally. 👀Take a look at the section in the letter referring to Special Agent in Charge of the Pittsburg Field Office Tim t.co/iA1Z5bxEa9 / X


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Tort, honestly I really don't believe in any of them anymore, if whoever is leading whatever they are doing is in Washington DC. Too many things that they have told us, have been proven to be lies. I could paste a bunch of links a page long.

Just off the top:
Russian collusion
Hunter Biden Laptop being Russian disinformation.
Clinton investigations shutdown and the whole bleached byte computer
The lies about Covid and the vaccines(they prevent it, they stop you from spreading it, their are no major side effects)
The lies about the masks and requirements to wear them
Covid started in a wet market.
Lack of investigations in Hunter Biden's money and who in the family received it.
Their inability to determine who brought cocaine into the White House
Their inability to find the leaker of the roe versus wade decision, when it could only have been a very small group.
Refusal to release the Transexual school shooters manifesto.

I could go on, but I won't.

Subject: A Blind Spot and a Lost Trail: How the Gunman Got So Close to Trump – The New York Times


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35th, until we can live with the lists on both sides I don't think we will get out of this mess.

I have not verified this yet, but I have no reason not to believe the man saying it.

"BREAKING: Congressman Mike Waltz says according to an FBI briefing, the Trump shooter had three encrypted accounts OVERSEAS, at the same time we're hearing the Iranians are plotting against Trump. t.co/fXMjenRVe0 / X


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So now Mayorkas at DHS is running interference to prevent the head of USSS from testifying before Congress.

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And given the scarcity of reliable information, people are crowdsourcing their own investigation using publicly available video footage, maps and eyewitness testimony. This has already blown holes in the excuses from Secret Service, and have proven that the dead shooter was seen at least 30min doing suspicious things before the attack.

Others are pointing out flaws in the official story like this one – the FBI says the shooter went to Home Depot and bought a 5-foot ladder the morning of the attack, that he used it to climb onto the roof, and had the receipt in his pocket (though no ID -- interesting the shooter would keep a store receipt but not his ID). So a person looked up the local Home Depot, checked on what ladders were on sale, and looked at the photos of the ladder the FBI said the killer used -- and it's a TEN FOOT ladder, not a 5-foot ladder. Now the shooter also had a Hyundai Sonata which really can't carry a 10-foot ladder very well. So the FBI's story is that he bought a ladder and in broad daylight drove it to the site, with the ladder sticking out of his car, then carried the ladder into the building complex and set it up with nobody noticing?!?

And this video, probably one of many, does an audio analysis and indicates there may have been two different rifles fired at Trump based on the audio profiles and time of flight, as well as the angle at which Trump and bystanders were struck.

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Almost a week and the head of the SS is still in power.

"Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri relayed these claims in a public letter to Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas on Friday outlining a series of security failures at Trump's fateful Butler, Pennsylvania, rally.

"Whistleblowers who have direct knowledge of the event have approached my office. According to the allegations, the July 13 rally was considered to be a 'loose' security event," Hawley wrote in the letter. "For example, detection canines were not used to monitor entry and detect threats in the usual manner. Individuals without proper designations were able to gain access to backstage areas."

Other lapses in security protocol allegedly included a lack of personnel stationed around the security perimeter and an inadequetly enforced buffer zone around the podium.

Among the most troubling is the claim that the majority of personnel protecting the former president were not U.S. Secret Service (USSS) agents.

"Whistleblower allegations suggest the majority of DHS officials were not in fact USSS agents but instead drawn from the department's Homeland Security Investigations (HSI)," Hawley wrote. "This is especially concerning given that HSI agents were unfamiliar with standard protocols typically used at these types of events, according to the allegations."

The Missouri senator criticized the DHS for failing to provide information about the incident to Congress and "abruptly ending the only call with USSSS before most senators could even ask a question." "

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What a mess…

The ladder story just goes with all the other sketchy stuff coming in from everywhere, since we cannot yet get a reasonably believable status update from the FBI. I assume in todays world there will be video from Home Depot. Why not just tell us and get it right?

The 2nd shooter thing also bothered me. On stage they knew one shooter was down, pretty fast. It seemed to me they would want to get Trump away from the target area asap. Never mind the shoes or pausing to raise a fist and actually facing the crowd. How did they know there were not other shooters? It looked unsafe to me.

Congress will investigate. The sketchiest bunch of all….

I've heard ladder and I've heard he climbed an AC unit. So which one, right?

I've heard he hid his rifle there. I assume that is true.

The head of the SS has to go. This is not her first mistake and DEI is her Goddess of choice.

The ladder story just goes with all the other sketchy stuff coming in from everywhere, since we cannot yet get a reasonably believable status update from the FBI.

I know, it's just crazy. Crisis Communications Management 101 says you follow a hierarchy of managed information releases that are controlled yet informative. I did this in a past life for a space launch company. Rockets can go BOOM! and sometimes people can (rarely) get hurt. So you have a playbook for known types of events. But it all starts off with:

1. You acknowledge the problem

2. You take responsibility for the problem, and take it seriously

3. You make it know you are investigating the problem

4. You state what you know in the context of the investigation and avoid conjecture. At present we know "x,y,z" occurred at such and such a time, with such and such an effect, "e.g. at approximately TIME after launch there was an apparent failure at SRB separation which caused the launch vehicle to deviate from the planned flight profile. At TIME+ range safety initiated command destruct of the vehicle, resulting in the total loss of the vehicle and its payload. The investigation is on-going and we will release more information as it becomes available."

5. You say you are continuing to investigate and will tell you more as we find out.

6. When or if you find out what happened, you state where things failed and what steps you are taking to correct it.

What yer not gonna do is immediately make excuses (oh the roof was too steep) and point blame at others (oh, the local cops who aren't trained for close protection work were in charge of that building with an obvious viewpoint for a sniper to shoot at the president."

The more rocks that are turned over the worse it is going to look. But will anybody be held accountable for this up ?

"No Secret Service drone was flown over Trump rally: "

Most of us suspected as much.

It's very easy to simply do a bad job. An awful lot of people manage that, undetectably, every day. I strongly suspect that, when it reviews this, the Secret Service will determine that nobody can be held accountable because they followed the right steps and filled out the right forms. In a lot of organizations, it's the process, rather than the results, that ultimately matters.

Oh.., the assassin did have a drone up. More prepared than the SS it seems.

They say now he had left the rifle on the roof. Not sure how they know that and how no one saw it if it was there earlier.

Well no one has been held accountable for Afghanistan, so no one for this wouldn't surprise me in the least. 🙄

"the majority of personnel protecting the former president were not U.S. Secret Service (USSS) agents."-35thOVI

I can see it now…

You, you, and you get in the SUV and get over to the Trump rally you are now part of his security detail. I don't care if you are a data analyst today you are all bodyguards. For the love of God do not forget your service weapons.

Eventually Cheatle will go, just to relieve the negativity cause by this so they can restart. And, it is sometimes the case that when a mission goes this bad, sheer embarrassment and fear of consequences for their jobs and careers will cause the higher ups to overcompensate going forward. Hopefully candidates will now be kept safe. There are likely plenty of threats to deal with.

Compare footage or the Ronald Reagan security detail response to his assassination attempt and that of the security assigned at Trump's assassination attempt.

"the majority of personnel protecting the former president were not U.S. Secret Service (USSS) agents."-35thOVI"

Just a FYI, that is Not my personal opinion, it was From Congress and SS whistleblowers.

Hope it's true

Subject: Citizen Free Press on X: "Rumors are swirling that Kim Cheatle will resign Monday. t.co/ybKqmqPD0s / X


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This assertion seems to be appearing more and more often and in a wider range of news. Now after denying it, the SS is saying it is true. But now they are using the money and resources excuse.

If someone lies to you over and over, when do you stop believing them?

"Top officials at the U.S. Secret Service repeatedly denied requests for additional resources and personnel sought by Donald Trump's security detail in the two years leading up to his attempted assassination at a rally in Pennsylvania last Saturday, according to four people familiar with the requests.

Agents charged with protecting the former president requested magnetometers and more agents to screen attendees at sporting events and other large public gatherings Trump attended, as well as additional snipers and specialty teams at other outdoor events, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive security discussions. The requests, which have not been previously reported, were sometimes denied by senior officials at the agency, who cited various reasons, including a lack of resources at an agency that has long struggled with staffing shortages, they said.
Those rejections — in response to requests that were several times made in writing — led to long-standing tensions that pitted Trump, his top aides and his security detail against Secret Service leadership, as Trump advisers privately fretted that the vaunted security agency was not doing enough to protect the former president.

The Secret Service, after initially denying turning down requests for additional security, is now acknowledging some may have been rejected. The revelation comes as agency veterans say the organization has been forced to make difficult decisions amid competing demands, a growing list of protectees and limited funding."

Subject: Secret Service said to have denied Trump requests for more event security – The Washington Post

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If there's any sense of accountability left in this country, for "vaunted," you should read, "soon to be former."

IMO the question of being lied to until you stop believing hangs over the entire country in matters of civil service and political candidates. It's now so ingrained in the culture that people seem to make choices to believe or ignore lies just to have something to hang on to. The constant cries of victimhood and danger on both sides feed the whole crazy storm. The internet and cable media deliver endless negativity along with all kinds of truth and lies.

In this case there is nothing any official can say that will make the obvious near miss outcome okay, no explanation anyone can accept, and it will not go away.

Getting Cheatle out of there, and maybe a couple of others, sends a message to the SS that jobs are on the line, and performance must be as top notch as possible. Oh, and somebody get this agency the resources and training it needs. We need Congress to help. We have done the investigation without them, took all the fun out of it for them. Now they need to ask the SS what Congress can do get it back in shape. But they won't.

We can agree on the firings and lack of training. I saw this live and …. Wow! 😮
Talk about not knowing what to do.

Subject: Citizen Free Press on X: "They aren't sending their best to protect President Trump. t.co/dzLLAUVUpI / X

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As I said before, I thought Trump should have been off that stage in a flash. I don't have any experience in this, unlike 79th, but that was my thought. I don't make any DEI assumptions. This group did not perform.

The internal AAR should be long and detailed … This should never ever happen again.

IIRC the USSS Cdr will be going before Congress in a few days. Some things may become clearer. The good, the bad, the ugly and the very ugly …

The USSS Cdr could be removed. However, being a female that may play into it. In today's current political/cultural environment. E.g. Reports are she is a proponent of making the USSS 30% female by 2030(?). I don't care anything about who is in the USSS as long as they are qualified.

They could be 100% female as long as they are all clones of Ziva on NCIS …

Biden quit.

Ha NCIS! If only…. Ziva would have been hanging that kid from the roof by his heels thirty minutes earlier.

The real NCIS does not have quite the same resources or jurisdiction….

It is gonna be Donald vs Kamalla. At last it is clear which candidate has more brain.

They'd be crazy to just give it to her. She's never won a single national primary, and dropped out in 2019 before the Iowa caucuses.

Ziva would have been hanging that kid from the roof by his heels thirty minutes earlier.

Yes, Ziva would have taken care of business. As noted, the NCIS on TV is more like a super-secret branch of the CIA. Too bad, we could use more Zivas !

They'd be crazy to just give it to her. She's never won a single national primary, and dropped out in 2019 before the Iowa caucuses.

There are woke DEI, progressive, etc. considerations for some. If Harris is not chosen there would be shouts of racism & sexism, etc. I don't think they would risk it, i.e. votes from minorities and females. But nothing would surprise me …

Anyone else listening to the Kimberly Cheatle hearing? What a bunch of non answers and lack of responsibility by her. Am i surprised? No.

I'm just wondering when we're going to see a living, breathing President of the United States…

I saw about ten minutes of Cheatle. She is toast. While she has a minor point about waiting for the final report, the basics should be clear by now, and info should be shared. She should have resigned the next day, this is only making things worse. And not only the candidates, but the citizens attending the many events needed to be reassured that the cause of the failure was addressed asap.

I remember the "shoe throwing" incident against president Bush in Iraq 2008. Not exactly Secret Service best moment either.

But with that said CP work is quite difficult. Removing the VIP too quickly can sometimes be seen as weakness. There are always trade offs like it or not.

As for Trump, his detail is nowhere near the level of the president. SS also faces man power shortage so agents who do not regularly work CP are called in. Their skill set is usually a bit lower due to too little refreseher training.

They'd be crazy to just give it to her. She's never won a single national primary, and dropped out in 2019 before the Iowa caucuses.

She will be another puppet, which is why Alex Soros and the Big Money are supporting her. They know she's a fool -- but she's a fool they can cut a deal with. Afterall she got her start in politics by having sex with a powerful married man who placed her into her first "elected" position. Since then she has shown she will say or do anything to advance herself. They will rehabilitate her reputation via Establishment Media from a cackling fool to the most amazing, awesome HISTORIC FIRST ever! She's so smart, cunning, bold, decisive, etc. And she will run a tightly controlled and scripted campaign, and if she wins she will be a pliable puppet until she's no longer useful, and get dumped like Biden is getting dumped.

The possibilities fall somewhere on a continuum between two possible endpoints: either the plot to replace Biden is a brilliantly-conceived and perfectly executed plan run by the donors and the party leadership, or it's a complete s**t show made up by people as they go along, in response to events that have kicked the original plan to simply run him for reelection into a cocked hat.

My sense for the way the world works tells me it's most likely the latter; unfortunately, the tendency to deny, dissemble and hide the truth while you try to manage the news cycles can easily convince people it's the former. Giving everyone involved the benefit of the doubt, that's my best guess- and that's also the reason I think it's important that we catch at least a glimpse of him at some point in the very near future.

A week is a long time in politics….

"Biden quit."

The war of the Hoses? (As in he got hosed and it rhymes). 😉

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So the Royal Party(House of Blue) had a problem with an "insurrection", but seem to have had no issues with a Royal "coup".

Poor Biden I(King Henry VI) ousted and exiled to the Dungeons of Castle Rehoboth. Will they soon say: "Get thee to a monastery! (25th amendment).

Nancy Pelosi is playing "Warwick the Kingmaker" (war of the roses, for those who don't know Warwick). The Houses of Obama and Clinton playing key Dukes and Duchesses.

But how whilst it all play out from here. The Duke of Clinton's family doth endorse Princess Harris as the new heir apparent, as does the "The Kingmaker", the majority of the royal black caucus, the (really liberal wing) of the royal blue house, financier Soros and many of the main stream media minstrels, now singing her praises and espousing the lady's numerous virtues.

But the Duke of Obama doth not give her his endorsement, Nor some of the Earls and Barons, not quite as liberal of the royal House of Blue. Are they waiting to see how the Royal polls doth go? Or are they plotting some new nefarious coup of their own? Possibly placing Lady Michelle in a position at the last moment to grab the throne?

Do we really know all the sub plots of Duchess Clinton (Henry Tudor?). Only Princess Harris stands between her and another attempt at the throne. Time is running out for her, and people who stand in her way, do have a tendency to… disappear "as did poor Edward's sons". 🤔

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SB, the billionaires are mostly with Trump according to Business Insider and others. But there is so much money floating around that it hardly matters anymore. Thank you Congress and the Supreme Court,I guess. I don't know anything about her personal life, way too much about her opponent's. I am still writing in Eisenhower.

This is not much of a coup, not that it matters how each party picks their candidates. The debate settled what we all knew. For all the comments about weakness here, this should not be much of a surprise. Everyone saw it. Four more years was not possible. Each party formally nominates at its convention in any case. And each can run the whole thing however they want. Behind the scenes, deals get made.

Civil war? Will either result go unchallenged? What year will we find out who won?

Anyone else listening to the Kimberly Cheatle hearing? What a bunch of non answers and lack of responsibility by her. Am i surprised? No.

Yeah, watched most of time. She does have very good credentials, including IIRC 27 years in the USSS.

Seems she didn't have much of a sense of urgency over this attempted assassination. She is the HMFICE of the USSS, she should have been on the ground in PA ASAP. She seemed not to field many of the questions from Congress very well today either. And in a very rare occasion many on both sides of the floor agree … She should, as one Congressman said, "go back guarding Doritos".

If they are saying his dementia/Alzheimer's is the reason, ( which most agree is true), he was forced out from running for the 2024 election, (for which the voters elected him to via the primaries), but is allowed to finish his term, then it is an internal coup.

If they invoke the 25th amendment because of his mental issues and do not allow him to finish his term… then it is no longer a coup. It becomes a move to insure the protection of the nation. Invoking the 25th is something that should have been done a while back and is long overdue IMO.

Also:

"A caravan of hundreds of migrants is heading to the U.S. border, reportedly in an effort to make it to the besieged border before the November elections — due to their concerns that former President Trump would shut it down.

The caravan, with hundreds of migrants from dozens of countries, left from Mexico's southern border and headed north on Sunday. It was the same day President Biden announced he would not seek re-election.

The Associated Press reported that some in the group said they wanted to make it to the border before November, getting in ahead of a possible Trump victory. "

The voters elected delegates to the convention where the nominee is chosen.

Usually the delegates vote for the candidate primary voters selected. But the Dems allow a candidate to release his delegates to another candidate, must be in writing. Delegates may also change their vote if they cannot in good conscience vote for their original candidate at the time of the convention. Repubs have different rules after the issues with anti-Trump delegates in 2016..

The issue with Biden was about his ability to win, but it was also about his ability to serve four more years. If you poll Dem voters now, I doubt they would object. Again, the debate was a turning point.

Trump would not close the border in November. He has to be sworn in first if he wins.